Wuhan coronavirus

[sonyc 5,517]

 

Coronavirus Update (Live): 175,817 Cases and 6,717 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

 

Live case tables link here should folk want to research

[Essjayess 307]

UK deaths from virus now at 55. Norfolk cases of confirmed infection at 5, 3 in Lynn, 2 in Norwich.

Ok then.

Everyone should avoid social contact and non essential travel.

People should not go to Pubs, Clubs and Theatres and restaurants.

Whole household isolation for 14 days if anyone is sick.

Over 70s and those with serious conditions to stay at home for 12 weeks.

Curfew measures under review.

That goes way beyond just advice about washing your hands. Maybe some  still think otherwise.

[ricardo 7,394]

Finally the WHO gives sensible advice, its been a long time coming.

"Countries must test. They can't fight this blindly. They need to find cases and isolate them. So my message to the Health Ministers today was to invest in testing. They must be able to test all suspected cases. We advise countries to stick to testing and continue with containment strategies, because we believe this virus is controllable if the right measures are taken." Dr. Tedros Adhanom, Director of WHO. Source: WHO daily media briefing on COVID-19 (LIVE)

[Herman 9,763]

This isn't going to end well.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/us-sales-guns-ammunition-soar-amid-coronavirus-panic-buying

[kick it off 1,952]

Anyone got any idea why the hell they still haven’t shut schools?

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

12 minutes ago, Essjayess said:

UK deaths from virus now at 55. Norfolk cases of confirmed infection at 5, 3 in Lynn, 2 in Norwich.

Ok then.

Everyone should avoid social contact and non essential travel.

People should not go to Pubs, Clubs and Theatres and restaurants.

Whole household isolation for 14 days if anyone is sick.

Over 70s and those with serious conditions to stay at home for 12 weeks.

Curfew measures under review.

That goes way beyond just advice about washing your hands. Maybe some  still think otherwise.

Did he mention anything the government had done at all or was it just another reminder that it was down to us to crack on and sort it all out for ourselves.......?

[ricardo 7,394]

7 minutes ago, kick it off said:

Anyone got any idea why the hell they still haven’t shut schools?

Teachers still trying to organise three months homework I expect.

[ricardo 7,394]

Amazing figures from Germany

Vorsprung durch technik👍

[Van wink 2,994]

15 minutes ago, kick it off said:

Anyone got any idea why the hell they still haven’t shut schools?

Mums and dads who work in essential services, cant afford for them to be off work looking after kids.......is the rational.

Maybe shut the schools and provide child care for essential workers might be a better move🤔

[Essjayess 307]

5 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Did he mention anything the government had done at all or was it just another reminder that it was down to us to crack on and sort it all out for ourselves.......?

If you didnt realise it CM its always down to us to to get our personal selves in order along with our household, no government on Earth can simply hold everyones hand...well maybe in North Korea they can, with an added gun pointing at your  body. There are im sure, others in the freedom of liberty side  who think all these things are going against human rights and so forth. They have withdrawn all emergency services from mass gatherings, that effictively stops mass gatherings. Curfews are under review, meaning they could come into force at  an apprpriate time. We are 3 weeks behind Italy, meaning the government knows an Italy type situation  likely will happen, as it will in most European nations.

[ricardo 7,394]

1 minute ago, Essjayess said:

 They have withdrawn all emergency services from mass gatherings, that effictively stops mass gatherings.

Another reason why the football season will not restart.

[Van wink 2,994]

19 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Amazing figures from Germany

Vorsprung durch technik👍

Whats the best site to get the latest European wide figures from?

[T 190]

If you go to the original WHO site they have always been advocating testing. This is the standard protocol for containment. It is also always best to look at official original source data. Consistent advice is take  your information from official sources such as WHO NHS PHE and CDC and most definitely not social media. 

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

2 hours ago, Essjayess said:

If you didnt realise it CM its always down to us to to get our personal selves in order along with our household, no government on Earth can simply hold everyones hand...well maybe in North Korea they can, with an added gun pointing at your  body. There are im sure, others in the freedom of liberty side  who think all these things are going against human rights and so forth. They have withdrawn all emergency services from mass gatherings, that effictively stops mass gatherings. Curfews are under review, meaning they could come into force at  an apprpriate time. We are 3 weeks behind Italy, meaning the government knows an Italy type situation  likely will happen, as it will in most European nations.

Oh I realised that a long while ago, anyone with an iota of common sense has been taking sensible precautions for several weeks based on grown up advice coming mainly from overseas - on Friday morning our government, in case you've forgotten, was quite happy for us to congregate in large crowds to watch football plus the pub before/after.

My question was intended to be ironic but it does have a serious side to it, so let me give it another go in a slightly modified form which can't be misconstrued - What action, if any, has the government actually taken to protect the country and its citizens against 'the greatest crisis of our generation' beyond the belated issuing of advice which any responsible person was already well aware from overseas governments and the WHO days\weeks ago?

Supplementary question - Why does the government continue to persist with a strategy which the WHO has explicitly condemned and I don't believe has been followed by any other western country (US possible exception although even they have promised to go large on testing if you believe what they say)?

Edited March 16, 2020 by Creative Midfielder

[kick it off 1,952]

24 minutes ago, Van wink said:

Mums and dads who work in essential services, cant afford for them to be off work looking after kids.......is the rational.

Maybe shut the schools and provide child care for essential workers might be a better move🤔

Every other country in Europe has shut schools. None of them have emergency service workers with school age kids? I’d 100% be happy to offer childcare but just can’t understand why our scientists seem to have different ideas to every other country

[ricardo 7,394]

23 minutes ago, Van wink said:

Whats the best site to get the latest European wide figures from?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

or

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Edited March 16, 2020 by ricardo

[Van wink 2,994]

 

5 minutes ago, kick it off said:

Every other country in Europe has shut schools. None of them have emergency service workers with school age kids? I’d 100% be happy to offer childcare but just can’t understand why our scientists seem to have different ideas to every other country

Indeed, from memory the other part of the argument, in addition to above, was that shutting schools could result in infected virus shredding but well children being looked after by vulnerable older folk while mums and dads go to work.

[Barbe bleu 826]

38 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Amazing figures from Germany

Vorsprung durch technik👍

That worldometer website says they had 1428 new cases today/yesterday compared  The number of deaths is encouraging though (in as much as any situation with any number of deaths is encouraging).

[Van wink 2,994]

6 minutes ago, ricardo said:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Thanks, interesting figures, massive rise in Germany but very low number of deaths. What this is all going to boil down to is the number of intensive care beds, ventilators and staff available to operate them. If you can get on a ventilator it gives you a pretty good chance of surviving, asking British industry to start making them now, after all this wasted time looks like a shocking lack of foresight. Having said that its been a common appeal by all Governments across Europe and the US, but with our limited manufacturing base UK industry are going to find it very hard to make an adequate response. 

Edited March 16, 2020 by Van wink

[ricardo 7,394]

1 minute ago, Van wink said:

Thanks, interesting figures, massive rise in Germany but very low number of deaths. What this is all going to boil down to is the number of intensive care beds, ventilators and staff available to operate them. If you can get on a ventilator it gives you a pretty good chance of surviving, asking British industry to start making them now, after all this wasted time looks like a shocking lack of foresight.

Countries that test rigorously seem to have better results.

Don't test, don't tell, eventually catches up with you.

[Van wink 2,994]

9 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Countries that test rigorously seem to have better results.

Don't test, don't tell, eventually catches up with you.

"We’re increasing our testing capabilities yet further. The UK has tested more people than any other major economy outside of China, South Korea and Italy.

This from Matt Hancock this evening, dont know if its accurate.

[ricardo 7,394]

Just now, Van wink said:

"We’re increasing our testing capabilities yet further. The UK has tested more people than any other major economy outside of China, South Korea and Italy.

This from Matt Hancock this evening, dont know if its accurate.

Good news if true👍🇬🇧

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

8 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Countries that test rigorously seem to have better results.

Don't test, don't tell, eventually catches up with you.

Spot on.

That is what the data says and the WHO have been absolutely clear on this point - this virus cannot be fought effectively without very intensive testing.

[dj11 377]

This from Macron. I know who I would prefer to be in charge. His last comment about saving businesses is what would would love to hear in the U.K.  Johnson has just thrown our businesses over a cliff. 

More details on France's tough measures

President Macron is announcing a raft of measures as he puts France on a war-footing to fight the virus. 

Here are the key details:

All non-essential movement to be banned from Tuesday midday for 15 days; residents must stay at home

Punishments for those flouting the regulations

Army to be used to help transport the sick to hospital

Military hospital to be used in Alsace, near German border

Borders to be closed in agreement with other European Union countries

Second round of local elections postponed

No business, regardless of size, will be allowed to fail

 

[ricardo 7,394]

17 minutes ago, dj11 said:

This from Macron. I know who I would prefer to be in charge. His last comment about saving businesses is what would would love to hear in the U.K.  Johnson has just thrown our businesses over a cliff. 

More details on France's tough measures

President Macron is announcing a raft of measures as he puts France on a war-footing to fight the virus. 

Here are the key details:

All non-essential movement to be banned from Tuesday midday for 15 days; residents must stay at home

Punishments for those flouting the regulations

Army to be used to help transport the sick to hospital

Military hospital to be used in Alsace, near German border

Borders to be closed in agreement with other European Union countries

Second round of local elections postponed

No business, regardless of size, will be allowed to fail

 

Looking at their disasterous numbers its hard to argue but unfortunately just as far behind the curve as we are.

[Rock The Boat 1,331]

1 hour ago, Van wink said:

Mums and dads who work in essential services, cant afford for them to be off work looking after kids.......is the rational.

Maybe shut the schools and provide child care for essential workers might be a better move🤔

We could use the schools for child care

[Essjayess 307]

26 minutes ago, dj11 said:

This from Macron. I know who I would prefer to be in charge. His last comment about saving businesses is what would would love to hear in the U.K.  Johnson has just thrown our businesses over a cliff. 

More details on France's tough measures

President Macron is announcing a raft of measures as he puts France on a war-footing to fight the virus. 

Here are the key details:

All non-essential movement to be banned from Tuesday midday for 15 days; residents must stay at home

Punishments for those flouting the regulations

Army to be used to help transport the sick to hospital

Military hospital to be used in Alsace, near German border

Borders to be closed in agreement with other European Union countries

Second round of local elections postponed

No business, regardless of size, will be allowed to fail

 

The point is, if you had regular knowledge of  each nations stats regarding the virus outbreak, France has been around 7-10 days ahead of the UK  and maybe 7-10 days behind Italy. So if one takes an approx  view of measures taken by governments and when they are taken, then we should expect Boris to bring out similar more stringent measures in around 7-10 days time...that is, if he is expected to behave similarly to Mr. Macron.

[Van wink 2,994]

2 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

We could use the schools for child care

That has been proposed, those that want to attend may do so for child care but those that would prefer to be at home could do that. It would reduce the level of social contact which seems to be the overarching objective. Keeping schools open does seem to go against all the other policies.

The reality is that with whole family 14 day isolation a lot of children will be missing out on school and the whole education process will become unbalanced.

[Rock The Boat 1,331]

34 minutes ago, dj11 said:

This from Macron. I know who I would prefer to be in charge. His last comment about saving businesses is what would would love to hear in the U.K.  Johnson has just thrown our businesses over a cliff. 

More details on France's tough measures

President Macron is announcing a raft of measures as he puts France on a war-footing to fight the virus. 

Here are the key details:

All non-essential movement to be banned from Tuesday midday for 15 days; residents must stay at home

Punishments for those flouting the regulations

Army to be used to help transport the sick to hospital

Military hospital to be used in Alsace, near German border

Borders to be closed in agreement with other European Union countries

Second round of local elections postponed

No business, regardless of size, will be allowed to fail

 

Impossible to achieve

[ricardo 7,394]

5 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Impossible to achieve

Yeah but sounds good😉

Thankfully we have our own currency.