Wuhan coronavirus

[Herman 9,754]

39 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Just waiting on the locusts now. What is happening seems very biblical.

Something significant must have happened, not sure what, but since 31st January we have had three storms, heavy flooding, the start of a pandemic and now snow. 

Do we have to start killing our first born or am I mixing my biblical stories? 

[TCCANARY 263]

26 minutes ago, Herman said:

Something significant must have happened, not sure what, but since 31st January we have had three storms, heavy flooding, the start of a pandemic and now snow. 

Do we have to start killing our first born or am I mixing my biblical stories? 

I think what happens next is that the North Sea will part and the lost tribe of Brexit will be able to reach the promised land, once the Leavers try to follow us the gap will close and they will drown in their own foolishness.

😀

[Yellow Fever 3,767]

23 minutes ago, TCCANARY said:

I think what happens next is that the North Sea will part and the lost tribe of Brexit will be able to reach the promised land, once the Leavers try to follow us the gap will close and they will drown in their own foolishness.

😀

Was it Surfer or VW a few weeks or months ago that made a rather astute comment that whatever happens now,  Brexit or not, events good or bad Boris and the Tories will 'own' it whether it's their fault or not (a bit like Brown & Labour with the financial crisis - which history suggests they actually handled well).

So far they've definitely picked a very short unlucky straw - but hey karma - his 'luck' had to change and revert to the mean.

Anybody seen him by the way - I wondered if he was self isolating?

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

Do we have to start killing our first born or am I mixing my biblical stories? 

No, but look out for an edict from Hancock quite soon

[Surfer 1,547]

1 hour ago, Yellow Fever said:

Was it Surfer or VW a few weeks or months ago that made a rather astute comment that whatever happens now,  Brexit or not, events good or bad Boris and the Tories will 'own' it whether it's their fault or not (a bit like Brown & Labour with the financial crisis - which history suggests they actually handled well).

So far they've definitely picked a very short unlucky straw - but hey karma - his 'luck' had to change and revert to the mean.

I think I made that comment Yellow Fever.

Partly to reduce never ending arguments to a simple statement that suits the politics of the moment. Pick a point in time (Jan 31 2020) and everything after that is in the post-“we got Brexit done” era.  So no reasons, no excuses, no fact based or specious arguments that a particular event was or was not due to our Brexit, whatever happens Boris and his team own it. 

Edited February 27, 2020 by Surfer

[Yellow Fever 3,767]

34 minutes ago, Surfer said:

I think I made that comment Yellow Fever.

Partly to reduce never ending arguments to a simple statement that suits the politics of the moment. Pick a point in time (Jan 31 2020) and everything after that is in the post-“we got Brexit done” era.  So no reasons, no excuses, no fact based or specious arguments that a particular event was or was not due to our Brexit, whatever happens Boris and his team own it. 

I thought it was you - but yes all the flood issues, coronavirus problems and shortcomings let alone all the Brexit upheavals will now be owned Boris. No excuses allowed. No wonder he's in hiding.

Edited February 27, 2020 by Yellow Fever

[Yellow Fever 3,767]

1 hour ago, keelansgrandad said:

Do we have to start killing our first born or am I mixing my biblical stories? 

No, but look out for an edict from Hancock quite soon

Usually the odd high profile politician or PM. 

[ricardo 7,384]

1 hour ago, Yellow Fever said:

Was it Surfer or VW a few weeks or months ago that made a rather astute comment that whatever happens now,  Brexit or not, events good or bad Boris and the Tories will 'own' it whether it's their fault or not (a bit like Brown & Labour with the financial crisis - which history suggests they actually handled well).

So far they've definitely picked a very short unlucky straw - but hey karma - his 'luck' had to change and revert to the mean.

Anybody seen him by the way - I wondered if he was self isolating?

What a shame the world economic downturn due to Covid 19 had to come along and take all the blame🤣

[Herman 9,754]

There's always an excuse Ricardo. Fish not sticking to international borders and boundaries will be another. 😀

[ricardo 7,384]

Good news

No cases in Antarctica.

Iran however looks like being a total disaster area.

[Yellow Fever 3,767]

43 minutes ago, ricardo said:

What a shame the world economic downturn due to Covid 19 had to come along and take all the blame🤣

That's exactly 'not the point' I or Surfer was I think trying to make.

It's that there will be no excuses for anything, deserved or not. Boris will own it whatever. Brexit, Covid-19 and global economic depression will all be entwined for many red-top readers with Boris to blame. He's already picking up flack for not evacuating UK citizens from Japan or Teneriffe fast enough and those are the easy decisions. The real toughies (i.e triage) are yet to come!

Similar to Brown and 2008. He happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time (but luckily he was the right man!) 

[Herman 9,754]

6 hours ago, keelansgrandad said:

Just waiting on the locusts now. What is happening seems very biblical.

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-02-27/how-swarms-of-locusts-in-kenya-are-destroying-crops-and-leaving-farmers-helpless/

It truly is the end of days. Now I understand why the Anti-Christs got control of the White House and Downing Street.

[kirku 1,332]

A woman in Japan has caught it for the second time

[Van wink 2,994]

42 minutes ago, kirku said:

A woman in Japan has caught it for the second time

Get it three times and your dead, its a mass extinction, best thing for the World

[Surfer 1,547]

2 hours ago, Yellow Fever said:

That's exactly 'not the point' I or Surfer was I think trying to make.

It's that there will be no excuses for anything, deserved or not. Boris will own it whatever. Brexit, Covid-19 and global economic depression will all be entwined for many red-top readers with Boris to blame. He's already picking up flack for not evacuating UK citizens from Japan or Teneriffe fast enough and those are the easy decisions. The real toughies (i.e triage) are yet to come!

Similar to Brown and 2008. He happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time (but luckily he was the right man!) 

Precisely.

Nobody wants Covid-19 to do anything other than to pass quickly and with the minimum of pain, deaths and disruption. 

The point is the government of the day needs to take responsibility for what happens on their watch. All of it. No excuses. 

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

Get it three times 

and you get to keep it. It becomes Covid 57 and you get free bake beans for life-one tin I should imagine.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

In other news, Northern Ireland has its first case. Now did it cross the border from the south and did it have the proper paperwork and will it be checked in the North Sea?

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

In breaking news, the most incompetent Minister of the Crown you could imagine, George Eustice, my local MP, has visited Shropshire to sort out the flooding because Boris told him he wants him to handle it personally.

Oh My Gawd! I bet he is taking them Covid 19

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

And we finish on a lighter note

I bet he can't swim

[Surfer 1,547]

8 hours ago, Van wink said:

Japan shuts all schools to combat coronavirus

Yes they are, it bridges from Monday to a 10 day holiday at the end of March (it's the end of their school year)

Interesting comment below - and that this may not apply to day care facilities or Universities (it's just unclear) 

Kentaro Iwata, an infectious-disease specialist at Kobe University who had criticized the government’s response to the coronavirus outbreak on the Diamond Princess, said school closings were not medically warranted.

“I don’t understand this,” Dr. Iwata said. “Primarily, children are not easily infected with coronavirus, and even if they are infected, they don’t easily fall seriously ill.”

That seems consistent with the data from elsewhere, children don't seem to be a primary vector or victims of this particular disease.

Edited February 27, 2020 by Surfer

[Mello Yello 2,289]

1 hour ago, kirku said:

A woman in Japan has caught it for the second time

Sushi is very unfortunate......

[Van wink 2,994]

14 minutes ago, Surfer said:

Yes they are, it bridges from Monday to a 10 day holiday at the end of March (it's the end of their school year)

Interesting comment below - and that this may not apply to day care facilities or Universities (it's just unclear) 

Kentaro Iwata, an infectious-disease specialist at Kobe University who had criticized the government’s response to the coronavirus outbreak on the Diamond Princess, said school closings were not medically warranted.

“I don’t understand this,” Dr. Iwata said. “Primarily, children are not easily infected with coronavirus, and even if they are infected, they don’t easily fall seriously ill.”

That seems consistent with the data from elsewhere, children don't seem to be a primary vector or victims of this particular disease.

What you must appreciate is that Japans economy is on the brink of recession and they are fearful that corona will push it over the edge. The government is behind the curve and what happened with the cruise ship isn't a good look. They are desperately trying to recover a facade of being in control.

As for children and infectivity, the current stats support the point you make, but all the stats I would suggest have a potentially wide margin of error. The other point of course is that schools are locations for social interaction that extend well beyond just the children.

[Surfer 1,547]

Yes, those are both valid points VW. 

[ricardo 7,384]

1 hour ago, Surfer said:

Precisely.

Nobody wants Covid-19 to do anything other than to pass quickly and with the minimum of pain, deaths and disruption. 

The point is the government of the day needs to take responsibility for what happens on their watch. All of it. No excuses. 

We are well past blaming governments, this is a total failure of duty by the WHO. The time for action was two weeks ago.

[Yellow Fever 3,767]

Given the high rate of person to person infection in Italy I wonder if we are already seeing a slightly different strain to that originally in China where infection rates do seem to dropping. Or are the Chinese just more ruthlessly competent at quarantine?

[ricardo 7,384]

For most this will just be a mild illness but it's the 15 percent with serious complications that is the problem. No country on earth has enough IC units to deal with those numbers.

Italy is about 3 weeks or more behind China, they will need to enact similar measures.

What we have to worry about is if it is already here.

Edited February 27, 2020 by ricardo

[Van wink 2,994]

5 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

Given the high rate of person to person infection in Italy I wonder if we are already seeing a slightly different strain to that originally in China where infection rates do seem to dropping. Or are the Chinese just more ruthlessly competent at quarantine?

That’s a very good question and one which will be taxing the minds of epidemiologist and virologist no doubt. One thing is for sure, we are not privy to all the detail here. We have a virus potentially capable of mutation and no latent immunity in the population.

[Van wink 2,994]

19 minutes ago, ricardo said:

For most this will just be a mild illness but it's the 15 percent with serious complications that is the problem. No country on earth has enough IC units to deal with those numbers.

Nail on head, we are regularly quoted mortality data, what’s important here is that 15% will be very very ill, pneumonia and other respiratory trauma.

Edited February 27, 2020 by Van wink

[Essjayess 307]

Latest figures for new cases of the virus for today that have come thru in last few hours, selected list...

China  +19, S. Korea 505, Iran 106 and worryingly in Europe...Italy +185, Germany 21, France 20, Spain 12, Switzerland 7, Sweden 5, UK 3.

So S. Korea and Iran are the 2 known problem areas outside of Europe, but right now the Europe situation looks worrying. Really think more and more Large crowd gatherings, including sport of course, will inevitably take hits and be postponed / cancelled.

[Surfer 1,547]

What just happened is the number of NEW cases in China fell below the number of NEW cases in the rest of the world. 

Which may be encouraging for medium term trends for getting this under control,  or not as the case may be.

However incompetence can undermine any positive trends as the following story may prove over the next few days.

In the US we have a complete cluster f**k story coming out of Southern California over Center for Disease Control objections to the repatriation of Americans off that Japanese cruise ship being over-ridden (not that they shouldn't be repatriated, but those who were sick should have been isolated and flown back on a separate aircraft), plus receiving staff not being given proper medical training or protective masks, and then not being tested before being dispersed back to their regional offices including on a commercial flight.

And then being browbeaten and threatened with retaliation for not being team players. An administration that previously cut the CDC budget and disbanded the infectious diseases response infrastructure is trying desperately to cover its a**. A very dangerous brew. 

WASHINGTON — Federal health employees interacted with Americans quarantined for possible exposure to the coronaviruswithout proper medical training or protective gear, then scattered into the general population, according to a government whistle-blower who lawmakers say faced retaliation for reporting concerns.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/coronavirus-us-whistleblower.html

 

Edited February 28, 2020 by Surfer