*****Official match thread v Spurs*****

[Capt. Pants 4,195]

5 minutes ago, Rolf Harris said:

Just stating what is true. We can't run around for 90 minutes.. The fitness isn't there.

Well it needs to be and it has to be. And we need to make substitutions earlier. We had Trybull and Amadou on the bench who could have been brought on before we conceded. So many times this season we wait for players to virtually drop dead before they are taken off. It's a trait of Farke's I don't like. If players are shattered they have to go off regardless of who is on the bench. Spurs 2nd came because Cantwell was too tired to track back.

[Fred Flintstone 0]

The squad is no where near good enough. Time for a sale of what we can sell and start again 

this isn’t a tinkering job but a full scale rebuild is required including the coaching staff 

[TeemuVanBasten 3,327]

10 minutes ago, Nuff Said said:

We did exactly the same last season, but that was seen as evidence of how we stuck to our principles and didn’t abandon our way of playing. This season we go 2-1 down to Spurs (note, Spurs, not Millwall) and it’s “why dunt we kick it long Neeyul?”.

Yeah its weird how you can play the ball out from the back and players like Joe Garner and Alex Mowatt don't punish you, but try it against Christian Erikson and Geovani Le Celso and suddenly it sometimes doesn't work.

I wonder why that is? Can't quite put my finger on it. 

[Nuff Said 5,089]

38 minutes ago, KiwiScot said:

I just don't think it's fair to excuse Farke from blame just because he doesn't get the money or the players he and webber signed who don't upgrade to the premier league. He has to get them to play whaever the method.

Across the board we are not ready/right for the premier league.

I feel a bit uncomfortable saying this, but I like to think I keep an open mind on most things, so...

Krul - shown he’s a decent keeper, not sure he has much value but probably on his day worth several million to an aspiring Championship/new PL club.

Aarons - apparently worth £30 million

Byram - must be worth £10m after what we’ve seen so far?

Lewis - see Byram

Godfrey - lots of rumours about top clubs. £25 to 30m

Cantwell - has caught the eye of the pundits, young and English. £30m

Buendia - his stats show he has got to be worth £25m?

Pukki - Lower value because of his age, but definitely PL quality nonetheless.

 

I’m not sure if anyone else is worth highlighting (we’ve probably all got other favourites) but with this many seemingly valuable players available, should Farke be doing better? Did he just get lucky last season with shrewd buys by Webber and the team? Is what we’re actually seeing his limitations and we could do better with a different coach? After all, the season before last wasn’t that impressive, was it?

 

Like I say, I’m not sure I actually believe this, but I am starting to wonder. 🤔

 

[First Wazzock 902]

21 minutes ago, Nuff Said said:

We did exactly the same last season, but that was seen as evidence of how we stuck to our principles and didn’t abandon our way of playing. This season we go 2-1 down to Spurs (note, Spurs, not Millwall) and it’s “why dunt we kick it long Neeyul?”.

Well if your happy with a 2-1 loss and not trying to get something out of the game it's up to you. But we are not at the point of no return, and seeing the game out with a whimper rather than a bang is not really an option in my opinion.

[Capt. Pants 4,195]

6 minutes ago, Nuff Said said:

I feel a bit uncomfortable saying this, but I like to think I keep an open mind on most things, so...

Krul - shown he’s a decent keeper, not sure he has much value but probably on his day worth several million to an aspiring Championship/new PL club.

Aarons - apparently worth £30 million

Byram - must be worth £10m after what we’ve seen so far?

Lewis - see Byram

Godfrey - lots of rumours about top clubs. £25 to 30m

Cantwell - has caught the eye of the pundits, young and English. £30m

Buendia - his stats show he has got to be worth £25m?

Pukki - Lower value because of his age, but definitely PL quality nonetheless.

 

I’m not sure if anyone else is worth highlighting (we’ve probably all got other favourites) but with this many seemingly valuable players available, should Farke be doing better? Did he just get lucky last season with shrewd buys by Webber and the team? Is what we’re actually seeing his limitations and we could do better with a different coach? After all, the season before last wasn’t that impressive, was it?

 

Like I say, I’m not sure I actually believe this, but I am starting to wonder. 🤔

 

Their values are based on potential not current ability. We'll never know if a more experienced Coach than Farke would have had them better organised defensively and made us more difficult to beat. We will learn more about Farke next season when expectations will be sky high. He will have to deliver promotion.

[KiwiScot 1,436]

15 minutes ago, Fred Flintstone said:

The squad is no where near good enough. Time for a sale of what we can sell and start again 

this isn’t a tinkering job but a full scale rebuild is required including the coaching staff 

Utter beef she it.

[Mason 47 1,373]

As I wrote on another thread (and others have echoed here) the need for fresh legs is an alarming blind spot for Farke- Cantwell jogging back with their game-changing attack demonstrated a young man who had run out of steam. Tettey looked half a second behind play today, Rupp and Duda looking like players with little match fitness and familiarity.

Marco Stiepermann is not coming on with probably 45 seconds of actual play left and turning in a masterclass, nor is Drmic coming on with 4 minutes of regulation time and making a telling mark on the game.

And yes, to the poster that mentioned, Pukki is looking fatigued and is regularly missing chances we would expect him to score.  Just put Drmic in for a game and give the guy a rest!

[KiwiScot 1,436]

1 minute ago, Capt. Pants said:

Their values are based on potential not current ability. We'll never know if a more experienced Coach than Farke would have had them better organised defensively and made us more difficult to beat. We will learn more about Farke next season when expectations will be sky high. He will have to deliver promotion.

He needs to deliver promotion with a premier league capable squad. All can be said to that is that we pray not say. In Farke we trust.

[ron obvious 1,499]

21 minutes ago, Fred Flintstone said:

The squad is no where near good enough. Time for a sale of what we can sell and start again 

this isn’t a tinkering job but a full scale rebuild is required including the coaching staff 

What we really need is a stinking rich Chinese hinvestor.

[BigManInTheBarclay 75]

Cantwell was pretty poor tonight...... constantly drifting into the middle and exposed the wing with Byram having to try and cover 2 positions. Seriously have no idea why he was kept on until the end.

Also Hernandez should have been brought on way before the 2nd goal.

Some very odd decisions from Farke tonight for sure.

[Mello Yello 2,281]

Missed Emi......He'd have loved to have been out there tonight.......

[hogesar 9,618]

Love this team and Farke. For me, such an easy Ncfc team to support till the end, even if it wont be enough for survival.

[Surfer 1,547]

3 hours ago, Fred Flintstone said:

The squad is no where near good enough. Time for a sale of what we can sell and start again 

this isn’t a tinkering job but a full scale rebuild is required including the coaching staff 

If the squad is nowhere good enough (for the Premier League) nobody in the Premier League is going to want to buy these players until they can demonstrate that they are. As they are all on 4 year contracts we keep them for next year's Championship campaign and "go again" as they say.

Problem solved. 

[City 2nd 191]

4 hours ago, Surfer said:

If the squad is nowhere good enough (for the Premier League) nobody in the Premier League is going to want to buy these players until they can demonstrate that they are. As they are all on 4 year contracts we keep them for next year's Championship campaign and "go again" as they say.

Problem solved. 

How is it problem solved. We play a defence that not only last season in a title winning season conceded more goals than any other team. That defence has been taken to the next level, and what happens!

Shame on Farke, Webber and the board for not addressing the obvious!

[rock bus 850]

26 minutes ago, City 2nd said:

How is it problem solved. We play a defence that not only last season in a title winning season conceded more goals than any other team. That defence has been taken to the next level, and what happens!

Shame on Farke, Webber and the board for not addressing the obvious!

I don’t disagree but apparently we have a defence which has 3 x c£30m players in it (one who can’t get in ahead of a £750k defender!).

unfortunately has to be questions over the training, organisation and tactics of the whole defensive unit, we need a specialist defensive coach (do we have one?)

[TeemuVanBasten 3,327]

8 hours ago, Nuff Said said:

We did exactly the same last season, but that was seen as evidence of how we stuck to our principles and didn’t abandon our way of playing. This season we go 2-1 down to Spurs (note, Spurs, not Millwall) and it’s “why dunt we kick it long Neeyul?”.

Did you even watch that final 6 minutes? He's spot on, no determination to get the ball upfield, it was odd to say the least. I can't remember similar happening last season. 

What game? 

[lake district canary 4,531]

17 minutes ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

Did you even watch that final 6 minutes? He's spot on, no determination to get the ball upfield, it was odd to say the least. I can't remember similar happening last season. 

What game? 

Every game. 

[lake district canary 4,531]

8 hours ago, hogesar said:

Love this team and Farke. For me, such an easy Ncfc team to support till the end, even if it wont be enough for survival.

This^^^.  I've been struggling to find the words after another frustrating match in which we could have won, but this post sums it up.  If we go down, we go down, but if that happens, we have played the kind of football that we can be proud of.  

[king canary 7,579]

9 hours ago, Nuff Said said:

I’m not sure if anyone else is worth highlighting (we’ve probably all got other favourites) but with this many seemingly valuable players available, should Farke be doing better? Did he just get lucky last season with shrewd buys by Webber and the team? Is what we’re actually seeing his limitations and we could do better with a different coach? After all, the season before last wasn’t that impressive, was it?

I don't think he got lucky, I do think the stars aligned to a certain extent last season that will always be difficult to repeat.

 

[king canary 7,579]

9 hours ago, Nuff Said said:

We did exactly the same last season, but that was seen as evidence of how we stuck to our principles and didn’t abandon our way of playing. This season we go 2-1 down to Spurs (note, Spurs, not Millwall) and it’s “why dunt we kick it long Neeyul?”.

People keep saying 'you weren't complaining about this when we were winning!' as if it is some kind of amazing gotcha.

Of course people didn't complain about it- it was working. When something stops working, as it has this season, I expect the manager to look for adjustments and tweaks he can make to get it working again. 

[Graham Paddons Beard 2,424]

We gave Spurs the ball too many times. We also didn’t take our chances. 
 

Too often we have the ball in small or narrow areas . Spurs like others simply press and overload those areas and we lose possession. Often by a misplaced , rushed pass. I lost count last night how many times we have the ball , and then we don’t .

In possession we make the pitch big with Max and Sam hugging the touch line. When we lose the ball these defenders have to get back in and often the speed of the opposition makes this tricky. Our goals last year come from central areas - this year we are more reliant on width because the opposition force us out wider. 

Our tactical DNA doesn’t quite match with our ability at this level. 
 

spectacular ground though.

[jaberry2 550]

A few things left me frustrated tonight. I dont think Rupp is a winger and we should of played someone who is more natural in that position. Krul's kicking was appalling and putting already error prone players under pressure didn't help. Tettey was also sloppy in possession.

I dont think Spurs were anything special and we should of really got at least a point from the game.

[Van wink 2,994]

We played well last night, the better of the two teams imo and deserved a point. Fantastic support and wonderful stadium. 
Fully behind the manager and the team, why wouldn’t I be, I love watching them play which is what I go to footy for. 
My bug bear about late substitutions continues, I wish DF could be challenged in the media on this cos for me the management of substitutions is really really poor. 

[jaberry2 550]

The most annoying thing about last night was listening to Glenn Hoddle doing the commentary. He's such an utter helm

[king canary 7,579]

49 minutes ago, jaberry2 said:

The most annoying thing about last night was listening to Glenn Hoddle doing the commentary. He's such an utter helm

Was it him who claimed Cantwell could learn from Grealish about not complaining when he got fouled? Laughed my **** off at that one.

[jaberry2 550]

1 minute ago, king canary said:

Was it him who claimed Cantwell could learn from Grealish about not complaining when he got fouled? Laughed my **** off at that one.

Yeah that was him...

[hogesar 9,618]

3 minutes ago, king canary said:

Was it him who claimed Cantwell could learn from Grealish about not complaining when he got fouled? Laughed my **** off at that one.

Jesus f*ck really?!

[JF 694]

55 minutes ago, jaberry2 said:

The most annoying thing about last night was listening to Glenn Hoddle doing the commentary. He's such an utter helm

Was this on the radio? cos it wasn’t Glen Hoddle on the stream, it was the bloke who used to play for West Ham who’s name escapes me but I think it’s Tony someone!! 

[wooster 134]

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