New Labour Leader

[yellow hammer 87]

15 minutes ago, Aggy said:

And you’re suggesting the “country collapsing” is a result of Labour’s one month in power as opposed to the fourteen years prior?

A bit silly to draw comparisons between something which happened 40 years ago after Labour had been in power for half a decade, and some far right thugs playing up a month into their time in government now.

You were not there first time round but this is definitely  history repeating itself

[yellow hammer 87]

1 minute ago, TheRock said:

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/24484907.spending-review-casts-doubts-norfolk-hospital-rebuilds/

 

In case you missed it, Labour have already recanted on their promise to rebuild the James Paget and the Kings Lynn hospitals, depsite this being a solid promise that they campaigned on.

 

Coupled with fact that they have scraped the winter fuel allowance, and Starmer's poorly worded speech after Southport, it's plain to see that the honeymoon period is firmly over for the Labour party.

Western Link?  Think they've caved into the eco loons on that one. Just a month in. 

[Herman 10,751]

All these tories being such bad losers. You lost, you got your arses kicked firmly into touch. Now sod off and stop trashing our country. W⚓s.

[yellow hammer 87]

18 hours ago, Herman said:

All these tories being such bad losers. You lost, you got your arses kicked firmly into touch. Now sod off and stop trashing our country. W⚓s.

You're in Government now. Means that you own it. It's all on you. You seem to be crying about how difficult it is to govern, well heat and kitchens come to mind

[Herman 10,751]

I see you are carrying on the right wing tradition of not taking any responsibility for the mess you have made to this country. Nice one Rocky. 👍😂

[king canary 8,261]

I seem to recall the Tories spent a good 5 or 6 years blaming Labour for everything, weird that Labour apparently have to assume full responsibility for everything after 5 weeks.

[PurpleCanary 6,103]

On 05/08/2024 at 13:22, yellow hammer said:

You were not there first time round but this is definitely  history repeating itself

I was, and this isn't.

[littleyellowbirdie 2,970]

1 hour ago, king canary said:

I seem to recall the Tories spent a good 5 or 6 years blaming Labour for everything, weird that Labour apparently have to assume full responsibility for everything after 5 weeks.

I seem to recall Labour blaming the coalition for everything from day one in 2010. Blaming them for public spending cuts after Labour's own chancellor had promised to cut deeper than Thatcher for example.

Edited August 6 by littleyellowbirdie

[Aggy 929]

1 hour ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

I seem to recall Labour blaming the coalition for everything from day one in 2010. Blaming them for public spending cuts after Labour's own chancellor had promised to cut deeper than Thatcher for example.

I think you’ve missed the point.

[littleyellowbirdie 2,970]

5 minutes ago, Aggy said:

I think you’ve missed the point.

No I didn't. I simply responded by pointing out that the 'point' ignores that Lsbour have done exactly the same in the past, so the 'point' is somewhat pointless.

I thought you were puzzled about the 'cut deeper than Thatcher reference', so here's the reference for that.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/mar/25/alistair-darling-cut-deeper-margaret-thatcher

And Milliband opportunistically attacking cuts right from 2010 after Labour had been standing on much the same proposals only months before.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-11848303

 

Edited August 6 by littleyellowbirdie

[yellow hammer 87]

Loving all the 'we are not in charge' backtracking that's going on. 

[Herman 10,751]

33 minutes ago, Aggy said:

I think you’ve missed the point.

That's the biggest shock today. 

[Nik Vawn 294]

Bit disappointed to read about the appointment of Ian Corfield, who has made donations to Rachel Reeves, being appointed as a director in the Treasury, donation was only 5K but seems to go against the image SKS wanted to project for the new government. Nothing compared to what the last government got up to but still I find it surprising.

 

Edited August 8 by Nik Vawn

[Barbe bleu 970]

On 08/08/2024 at 21:14, Nik Vawn said:

Bit disappointed to read about the appointment of Ian Corfield, who has made donations to Rachel Reeves, being appointed as a director in the Treasury, donation was only 5K but seems to go against the image SKS wanted to project for the new government. Nothing compared to what the last government got up to but still I find it surprising.

 

Diving in the box is ok if its your team's players doing the diving.

Edited August 16 by Barbe bleu

[Herman 10,751]

1 hour ago, Barbe bleu said:

Diving in the box is ok of its your team's players doing the diving.

I'm outraged, as are all Labour voters, about this flagrant abuse of power and I plan to make my voice heard. In 14 years time.

[Barbe bleu 970]

1 hour ago, Herman said:

I'm outraged, as are all Labour voters, about this flagrant abuse of power and I plan to make my voice heard. In 14 years time.

You don't even remember when you stopped supporting Labour out of principle and just started supporting them out of tribal habit.  

If it helps, it was sometime around  the millennium when school had become a bit of a more distant memory and a few years of the Blair government had served to dull that youthful ardour.

But you are still young,  you can be that radical again.  Just don't drift

[Herman 10,751]

12 hours ago, Barbe bleu said:

You don't even remember when you stopped supporting Labour out of principle and just started supporting them out of tribal habit.  

If it helps, it was sometime around  the millennium when school had become a bit of a more distant memory and a few years of the Blair government had served to dull that youthful ardour.

But you are still young,  you can be that radical again.  Just don't drift

Do you hear that sound Barbe? It's the sound of a government not ****ing up, not gaslighting, not culture warring and definitely not racist stereotyping. It's rather peaceful. Let's hope it continues for a while.👍

[Daz Sparks 1,516]

49 minutes ago, Herman said:

Do you hear that sound Barbe? It's the sound of a government not ****ing up, not gaslighting, not culture warring and definitely not racist stereotyping. It's rather peaceful. Let's hope it continues for a while.👍

Is it the sound of a Government governing? I think it is anyway, and I am appreciating it. (There is the the faintly annoying sound of a wasp or 2 (RWNJs), but otherwise all rather peaceful.

Edited August 17 by Daz Sparks

[sonyc 5,958]

33 minutes ago, Herman said:

Do you hear that sound Barbe? It's the sound of a government not ****ing up, not gaslighting, not culture warring and definitely not racist stereotyping. It's rather peaceful. Let's hope it continues for a while.👍

Yep, this. And the riots were very swiftly dealt with. Watching the remaining few court cases and judge statements on TV yesterday made me think about Labour as being  the party of law and order. Not the Tories. And sensible statements by Cooper too about working with the police. No inflammatory statements, the like we might have expected from the last lot. The Tories need to watch and learn.

[horsefly 5,048]

4 minutes ago, sonyc said:

Yep, this. And the riots were very swiftly dealt with. Watching the remaining few court cases and judge statements on TV yesterday made me think about Labour as being  the party of law and order. Not the Tories. And sensible statements by Cooper too about working with the police. No inflammatory statements, the like we might have expected from the last lot. The Tories need to watch and learn.

Yep! Several of the RWNJs scoffed when I said early on in the riots that Starmer would come out of this period very well for having the resolve to persist in calling them out for what they were; far-right racist thuggery. While disingenuous apologists in the right wing (social) media and Reform Ltd MPs demanded he should show "sympathy" with the thugs viewpoint, he acted strongly and refused to cow tow to violent bigots. The result was he gave a clear message to the UK public that such far-right thuggery would never be accepted in a Labour governed UK. Undoubtedly this was what empowered the real representatives of the views of ordinary people to turn out in their thousands to vastly outnumber the thugs in a truly inspiring peaceful resistance to their racism. The swiftness with which justice is being delivered upon these thugs has been fantastic. Starmer was dealt a very traumatic start to his premiership, and the way he rose to the challenge with a strength and clarity of purpose marks him out in stark contrast to the degenerates and incompetents that we endured during 14- years of chaotic and corrupt Tory rule.

[Barbe bleu 970]

1 hour ago, Herman said:

Do you hear that sound Barbe? It's the sound of a government not ****ing up, not gaslighting, not culture warring and definitely not racist stereotyping. It's rather peaceful. Let's hope it continues for a while.👍

You've missed the point mate.

You'll have been all over the austerity measures, winter fuel cuts and cronyism if they happened before July but now you (plural) are strangely quiet. Van wink and I were just pointing this out with cheeky smile on our faces. 

Good luck to the new government. I fully expect things to improve over the next five years and look forward to UK politics being boring again, it's been a while. 

It was late summer of 1998 I think.   

Edited August 17 by Barbe bleu

[Herman 10,751]

You miss my point that nobody gives a toss at this precise moment. The relief of kicking out that last mob is overriding any other emotions. Give it a few months and we may be back to berating the government. 

[Creative Midfielder 2,152]

1 hour ago, Herman said:

You miss my point that nobody gives a toss at this precise moment. The relief of kicking out that last mob is overriding any other emotions. Give it a few months and we may be back to berating the government. 

I think that is very likely but I am also very hopeful, in fact pretty certain, that we will be berating them for failings which are far less egregious than those of the 'last mob' 😀

[sonyc 5,958]

On 17/08/2024 at 11:28, Barbe bleu said:

You'll have been all over the austerity measures, winter fuel cuts and cronyism if they happened before July but now you (plural) are strangely quiet. Van wink and I were just pointing this out with cheeky smile on our faces. 

Good luck to the new government. I fully expect things to improve over the next five years and look forward to UK politics being boring again, it's been a while. 

 

On 17/08/2024 at 12:16, Herman said:

You miss my point that nobody gives a toss at this precise moment. The relief of kicking out that last mob is overriding any other emotions. Give it a few months and we may be back to berating the government. 

 

On 17/08/2024 at 14:02, Creative Midfielder said:

I think that is very likely but I am also very hopeful, in fact pretty certain, that we will be berating them for failings which are far less egregious than those of the 'last mob' 😀

In reply to all three...I believe I want a quiet, functioning, managerial kind of government. The early signs are positive. One that gradually improves things that affect us all e.g. in local services, in diplomatic endeavours, the various relationships with academia, the institutions and so on. The previous 14 years were like an extended car crash - that's my take. There were brief periods of 'normality' if I can use that term...but far too many culture wars, poor decision making and excusing of poor civic behaviour by so many. I challenged Bb about Cleverly's comments about sh*tholes as one crude example.

My characterisation ignores the handling of Covid. 

I think many want to see less of personalities (perhaps some like it) and more about how things are changing. It IS a huge relief to have had change (Herman) and I expect that the present government will be held to account here if they turn as toxic as the last lot (Creative M).

Politics doesn't have to be 'boring' (Barbe)... just effective, serious, thoughtful, adult. The last point being very pertinent in my opinion because during long periods of the previous administration we had a 'teenage' style of government. Perhaps, even primary school at times. I didn't think it did much for the country as a moral lead, or as a governing group of people leading a national conversation (or narrative to use the favourite current term). We heard "world beating" a few times but that was laughable and pathetic given the whole circus around them. 

Lots of road ahead and plenty of navigation problems. But they've started the journey okay in my eyes.

Edited August 20 by sonyc
usual clunky grammar - think as I write

[Barbe bleu 970]

47 minutes ago, sonyc said:

 

 

In reply to all three...I believe I want a quiet, functioning, managerial kind of government. The early signs are positive. 

Politics doesn't have to be 'boring' (Barbe)... just effective, serious, thoughtful, adult. 

Lots of road ahead and plenty of navigation problems. But they've started the journey okay in my eyes.

I've said here many times before that i want politics to be managerial, quiet and, yes , boring. But that's by-the-by really.  What politics needs more than this is to be effective.

I don't want it to be comparatively quiet simply because the loud mouths from last time have taken the win and have shut up or moved onto farage and trump.  That's just supporting your team right or wrong.  

I dont want to shouty nastiness and the lack of nuance to return and i dont want politics to continue to be reduced to a meme,  but let's not pretend that it's all great and there's nothing to talk about.

 

[Herman 10,751]

On 04/08/2024 at 09:27, The Real Buh said:

Kier is the fall guy, my prediction is he’s gone by Christmas but he won’t go quietly. It was “his turn” after all.

Hmmm.......😉

[The Real Buh 3,601]

11 hours ago, Herman said:

Hmmm.......😉

Can you hear jingle bells? 

[Herman 10,751]

6 hours ago, The Real Buh said:

Can you hear jingle bells? 

Unfortunately, yes. Bloody Asda. 

[KiwiScot 1,647]

Rumours Labour are planning to replace road tax with a pay per mile system. Hopefully just rumours if the pricing is to be believed.

[Herman 10,751]

34 minutes ago, KiwiScot said:

Rumours Labour are planning to replace road tax with a pay per mile system. Hopefully just rumours if the pricing is to be believed.

Personally I think road tax needs good reform, specifically looking at weight as well as cleanliness. I'm not sure if a pay per mile scheme would work, it's highly likely to kick up a fuss, but the government seriously needs to look at how roads are funded, because they are shagged and expensive to fix.