New Labour Leader

[Rock The Boat 1,330]

Christ, you still believe polls?

[BigFish 1,986]

56 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Christ, you still believe polls?

Seems like you RWNJs don't even believe elections or Fox News now

[BigFish 1,986]

[horsefly 4,298]

26 minutes ago, BigFish said:

Seems like you RWNJs don't even believe elections or Fox News now

They do when it says what they want to hear. It's like dealing with a remedial teenager.

[BigFish 1,986]

Where the US leads the UK will surely follow......

[Jools 584]

 

I thought Sir Wan Kier wanted a tougher lockdown, not a relaxation, or was that just last week's policy?  😜

[horsefly 4,298]

11 minutes ago, Jools said:

 

I thought Sir Wan Kier wanted a tougher lockdown, not a relaxation, or was that just last week's policy?  😜

He's in favour of virus suppressing measures that work. If certain measures are shown not to work he's not so stupid as to insist they continue being applied. It's called using your brain, you should try it some time.

[Jools 584]

15 minutes ago, horsefly said:

He's in favour of virus suppressing measures that work. If certain measures are shown not to work he's not so stupid as to insist they continue being applied. It's called using your brain, you should try it some time.

So Sir Kneel suggests pubs stagger closing times so that people can stagger out of one when it closes and into another before it closes...

Yeah, well brainy 🙃

[horsefly 4,298]

1 minute ago, Jools said:

So Sir Kneel suggests pubs stagger closing times so that people can stagger out of one when it closes and into another before it closes...

Yeah, well brainy 🙃

Says the man who has joined the anti-lockdown party. So very, very dumb!

[Jools 584]

19 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Says the man who has joined the anti-lockdown party. So very, very dumb!

What does my being anti-lockdown have to do with Sir Kneel being an opportunist politician? And you label me dumb?

I hope your parents didn't remortgage the Earlham ex council house to finance your Liberal arts degree 🧑‍🎓

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

23 minutes ago, Jools said:

What does my being anti-lockdown have to do with Sir Kneel being an opportunist politician? And you label me dumb?

I hope your parents didn't remortgage the Earlham ex council house to finance your Liberal arts degree 🧑‍🎓

Oooo get Lord Snooty. Fed up smashing the oiks? 

[Herman 9,756]

How to be a RWNJ.

Accuse everyone else of being the very thing you are or support.

[horsefly 4,298]

1 hour ago, Jools said:

What does my being anti-lockdown have to do with Sir Kneel being an opportunist politician? And you label me dumb?

I hope your parents didn't remortgage the Earlham ex council house to finance your Liberal arts degree 🧑‍🎓

Well you're clearly too dumb to understand your own words. You said:

"So Sir Kneel suggests pubs stagger closing times so that people can stagger out of one when it closes and into another before it closes...Yeah, well brainy ".

Yet you support a party that would have no covid restrictions whatsoever. So make your mind up dumbo! If you want to even pretend that you have a coherent position you can't hold both that there should be no restrictions and then criticise Starmer's position because it would involve people "staggering from one pub to another". So clearly the dunce cap fits and you're wearing it.

[horsefly 4,298]

And as for the funding of my several degrees (something that you clearly never required  having left school with a mental capacty of a 14 year old), I can assure you Scrounger that it didn't involve ripping off vulnerable OAPs and getting the tax-payer to pay my staff's wages. 

[Jools 584]

48 minutes ago, horsefly said:

my several degrees.

[horsefly 4,298]

I do realise that you wouldn't know what a degree is, let alone an MA or PhD. Perhaps you should have asked your best mate David Bowie when he was alive. 

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

44 minutes ago, Jools said:

Another celebrity friend?

[horsefly 4,298]

3 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Another celebrity friend?

Former lover I think (but only consumated post-mortem)

Edited November 9, 2020 by horsefly

[Rock The Boat 1,330]

1 hour ago, horsefly said:

And as for the funding of my several degrees (something that you clearly never required  having left school with a mental capacty of a 14 year old), I can assure you Scrounger that it didn't involve ripping off vulnerable OAPs and getting the tax-payer to pay my staff's wages. 

I knew it. Professional stoooodent.  Bank of mommy and daddy. Never had a job.

[Rock The Boat 1,330]

In other news, the Guardian has sacked Owen Jones. A spokesperson for the newspaper said from now on they intend only to employ adults.🤣

[Barbe bleu 823]

5 hours ago, Jools said:

 

I hope your parents didn't remortgage the Earlham ex council house to finance your Liberal arts degree 🧑‍🎓

Do you know each other?

[Rock The Boat 1,330]

4 hours ago, keelansgrandad said:

Oooo get Lord Snooty. Fed up smashing the oiks? 

Be honest KG, you're really a Tory at heart. It's why you engage with us so much.

[horsefly 4,298]

1 hour ago, Barbe bleu said:

Do you know each other?

Christ no! just Jools expressing his contempt for people who are council house tenants/owners. Precisely the sort of people who might be found working in one of his care homes. I'm sure they are delighted to be working for someone who holds them in such high regard.

Edited November 9, 2020 by horsefly

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

1 hour ago, Rock The Boat said:

Be honest KG, you're really a Tory at heart. It's why you engage with us so much.

 

1 hour ago, Rock The Boat said:

Be honest KG, you're really a Tory at heart. It's why you engage with us so much.

Mum was a Tory. Dad was a communist. Somewhere in the middle is a socialist.

I engage with you and Jools because politically you are both on the Green Mile.

[dylanisabaddog 4,914]

I can't see much point in discussing polls at the moment as they're based on the proviso that Boris Johnson will still be Conservative leader in 4 years time. There is no chance whatsoever that the Tories will allow Johnson to stand against Starmer. I don't like them very much but they're not stupid. 

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

1 hour ago, dylanisabaddog said:

I can't see much point in discussing polls at the moment as they're based on the proviso that Boris Johnson will still be Conservative leader in 4 years time. There is no chance whatsoever that the Tories will allow Johnson to stand against Starmer. I don't like them very much but they're not stupid. 

All of that is true but let's not forget that it is only just over a year ago that Johnson was overwhelmingly elected as Tory leader by both the MPs and the Tory party members, many of whom never liked him but backed him because they thought he would win votes where the rest of what was altogther the weakest set of candidates that have ever stood for the Tory leadership wouldn't be able - and actually in that at least they were right but like Johnsom himself they never thought beyond winning the election and how good/bad he would be at governing the country. Even now Johnson still talks as though he's fighting an election campaign rather than governing the country although you can understand why he pretends why nothing that's going on is his responsibility 🤣

But Johnson will be gone long before the next GE, quite possibly before the local elections next May but if he is the best they had last year, do you see a new leader in waiting that can turn around their popularity/poll ratings, because I don't?

Jeremy Hunt would perhaps stabilise them to some extent but they have still got bucket loads of bad news especially on the economy still to arrive and they haven't got a clue about how to deal with it - notice that Starmer having repeatedly shown up Johnson as a fool and liar, is now starting to focus much more on Sunak who in any case no longer looks like the star pupil that he did a few months ago.

[BigFish 1,986]

3 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said:

I can't see much point in discussing polls at the moment as they're based on the proviso that Boris Johnson will still be Conservative leader in 4 years time. There is no chance whatsoever that the Tories will allow Johnson to stand against Starmer. I don't like them very much but they're not stupid. 

Biggest set of local elections in a long, long time coming up in May. A significant swing towards Starmer then would be very difficult to reverse by 2024. You only have to look at John Major's slow slide to defeat 1992-1997.

[dylanisabaddog 4,914]

4 hours ago, Creative Midfielder said:

All of that is true but let's not forget that it is only just over a year ago that Johnson was overwhelmingly elected as Tory leader by both the MPs and the Tory party members, many of whom never liked him but backed him because they thought he would win votes where the rest of what was altogther the weakest set of candidates that have ever stood for the Tory leadership wouldn't be able - and actually in that at least they were right but like Johnsom himself they never thought beyond winning the election and how good/bad he would be at governing the country. Even now Johnson still talks as though he's fighting an election campaign rather than governing the country although you can understand why he pretends why nothing that's going on is his responsibility 🤣

But Johnson will be gone long before the next GE, quite possibly before the local elections next May but if he is the best they had last year, do you see a new leader in waiting that can turn around their popularity/poll ratings, because I don't?

Jeremy Hunt would perhaps stabilise them to some extent but they have still got bucket loads of bad news especially on the economy still to arrive and they haven't got a clue about how to deal with it - notice that Starmer having repeatedly shown up Johnson as a fool and liar, is now starting to focus much more on Sunak who in any case no longer looks like the star pupil that he did a few months ago.

Having some months ago placed a £5 bet at 25/1 on Hunt to be the next leader I read your post with some enthusiasm! Think the odds are a bit lower now. 

I think they know what is going to happen next May but will take the hit knowing that there will still be bad news to follow that due to the effect of Brexit on the economy. Leave Boris to take the blame for everything and then move on. I placed a bet on Hunt because I can't see they have anyone else but him to turn to. Everyone else is going to be tainted by the shambles of the last year. 

The fact that Hunt is even in the running is worrying. I'm 60 and I think the current standard of politicians on both sides of the fence is the poorest I have ever seen. The only two I have any time for are Starmer and Nandy but it's difficult to find competent politicians in the Labour Party apart from them. I recently saw the Shadow Health Secretary on Question Time and he was even more embarrassing than Boris or Hancock. I missed the opening and didn't recognise him and was quite shocked when I realised he was in the Shadow Cabinet. I still can't remember his name........

 

Edited November 10, 2020 by dylanisabaddog

[BigFish 1,986]

29 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said:

Having some months ago placed a £5 bet at 25/1 on Hunt to be the next leader I read your post with some enthusiasm! Think the odds are a bit lower now. 

I think they know what is going to happen next May but will take the hit knowing that there will still be bad news to follow that due to the effect of Brexit on the economy. Leave Boris to take the blame for everything and then move on. I placed a bet on Hunt because I can't see they have anyone else but him to turn to. Everyone else is going to be tainted by the shambles of the last year. 

The fact that Hunt is even in the running is worrying. I'm 60 and I think the current standard of politicians on both sides of the fence is the poorest I have ever seen. The only two I have any time for are Starmer and Nandy but it's difficult to find competent politicians in the Labour Party apart from them. I recently saw the Shadow Health Secretary on Question Time and he was even more embarrassing than Boris or Hancock. I missed the opening and didn't recognise him and was quite shocked when I realised he was in the Shadow Cabinet. I still can't remember his name........

 

John Ashcroft

Stephen Kinnock seems capable as well (although of course not as capable as his wife), but I am unsure why he has never progressed. His Brexit solution from last year looks superb compared with the ****show that unfolded.

[Barbe bleu 823]

4 hours ago, BigFish said:

Biggest set of local elections in a long, long time coming up in May. A significant swing towards Starmer then would be very difficult to reverse by 2024. You only have to look at John Major's slow slide to defeat 1992-1997.

 The timing here could be interesting.

 Starmer is slowly trying to extract the Electoral poison from the party and the purge could well be complete by then, but will he also have enough time to inject a bit of hope and vision into proceedings?

Conversely, is May sufficiently  far in the future that this year's troubles in the blue corner will be yesterdays news?

Edited November 10, 2020 by Barbe bleu