sonyc 5,447 Posted January 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Since 1980 said: You only need to look at Villa to see spending money doesn't buy/guarantee league position. Let's assume we go down and Villa do this season. They have £140m spent and face FFP issues and we build for a new campaign. Which set of fans are happier? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,455 Posted January 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, Since 1980 said: You only need to look at Villa to see spending money doesn't buy/guarantee league position. How many times does this asinine point have to get made? Nobody thinks it guarantees anything. It has to be spent well. But spending next to nothing seems to guarantee something.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
City 2nd 191 Posted January 12, 2020 3 hours ago, Keith Scott said: Got to say Farke has been a massive disappointment this season. All the vitriol for another embarrassing Premier league campaign seems to be going towards the owners. Which of course i understand as our owners are, and always will be tinpot. But everybody should know by now that these owners will never back managers. However I still feel Farke should be getting more out of the team. His tactics, in game management and possibly man management have all left a hell of a lot to be desired this season. I saw someone suggest Farke is a better manager than Wilder on another thread but for lack of backing. I'm afraid that's absolutely ludicrous. Wilder has adapted to the Premier league incredibly well. He is flexible, tactically sound, can change a game and has that fiery determination which is reflected in his players. I don't think based on this season Farke has shown any of those qualities which is a shame. Maybe he's not the messiah after all? Anyway, all the best. Keith Scott. I wouldn’t disagree KS, but yesterday, whilst at old trafford watching, and after listening to him post match and watching his body language during the game, I honestly believe that Farke is far from happy and that he might be thinking he can do no more with this crop of players (who buy the way we’re just awful yesterday - apart from Cantwell.) It must be very galling to any manager in knowing that the best of the talent you have is very likely to be sold off, so in essence you have to start again.! I just feel that it is the reason why his qualities don’t shine through at thleast s time. He knows there was is no money, and he also knows historically at Norwich after the euphoria of a promotion has passed, which it has for many, he is just another manager et al Alex Neil who will be moved on if a poor start to next season in the championship prevails. It’s a vicious circle, he is a long way from home and his comfort zone, with German clubs apparently circling for him. I got the feeling yesterday’s demise was the last straw. Has he already started to break up the squad was a question I asked myself when Srbeny was allowed to leave when we had one fit striker in Idaho! When sports reporters tweet that it seemed players had “downed tools” at Manchester, I can only agree with that having been there, then something is seriously wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Disco Dales Jockstrap 1,891 Posted January 12, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, hogesar said: P.s why arent we sheff united They spent more money than us and spent it more wisely. OTBC Edited January 12, 2020 by Disco Dales Jockstrap 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thirsty Lizard 3,085 Posted January 12, 2020 21 minutes ago, king canary said: How many times does this asinine point have to get made? Nobody thinks it guarantees anything. It has to be spent well. But spending next to nothing seems to guarantee something.... Do you think Aston Villa set out with the intention of not spending it wisely? Or maybe Bournemouth who have had a net spend of £75 million over the last two seasons. Buying footballers is an inexact science. There are never any guarantees. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Disco Dales Jockstrap 1,891 Posted January 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Rhino1 said: Get real look back and say who has been a better manager for us over the last 50 years? Be careful what you wish for and get a reality check!!! I can only go back to 86 but Brown, Stringer and Walker all achieved more than Farke. As did Lambert... Farke is a very good manager, who I don't want to leave whatever happens this season, but let's not pretend he's Jesus. OTBC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,655 Posted January 12, 2020 (edited) ...you can add John Bond to that...and probably even Ron Saunders Edited January 12, 2020 by GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 3,825 Posted January 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, Disco Dales Jockstrap said: They spent more money than us and spent it more wisely. OTBC There’s another who should be arrested for high treason. Off to the tower young man. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul moy 235 Posted January 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Midlands Yellow said: I have a feeling he might move on in the summer. What else could he possibly achieve under the conditions at this club ? Hopefully he can see the potential that has been built through investment in our academy in recent years and will want to see that come to fruition. Also, he can see how level-headed the majority of fans are, as well as the board, and will repay us for our loyalty by staying on to take us up again next season. What he has achieved here in a short time is fantastic and 99% of fans know and honestly appreciate this. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,655 Posted January 12, 2020 21 minutes ago, Disco Dales Jockstrap said: They spent more money than us and spent it more wisely. OTBC Not sure they have?...spent wisely that is...their team is still largely the one that they were promoted with last season....most of their signings are warming the bench Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Disco Dales Jockstrap 1,891 Posted January 12, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary said: Not sure they have?...spent wisely that is...their team is still largely the one that they were promoted with last season....most of their signings are warming the bench The facts don't back that up - McBurnie, Mousset, Henderson and Robinson have all played quite a few games this season; McBurnie scored their winner Friday. OTBC Edited January 12, 2020 by Disco Dales Jockstrap Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,655 Posted January 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, Disco Dales Jockstrap said: The facts don't back that up - McBurnie, Mousset, Henderson and Robinson have all played quite a few games this season; McBurnie scored their winner Friday. OTBC Henderson?....he was their keeper all last season ..and they still dont own him Robinson bit part...Moussett and McBurnie alternate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,455 Posted January 12, 2020 Farke is still a young coach and this is his first time at this level. He was always going to have some struggles and is open to critique as is anyone. There are certainly some concerns for me around his game management and squad management but what he clearly brings to the table far outweigh those concerns. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Disco Dales Jockstrap 1,891 Posted January 12, 2020 1 minute ago, GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary said: Moussett (19 PL app) and McBurnie (21 PL app) alternate Imagine being able to alternate strikers! The mind boggles!!! OTBC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thirsty Lizard 3,085 Posted January 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Disco Dales Jockstrap said: Imagine being able to alternate strikers! The mind boggles!!! OTBC Or we could spend £140 million like Aston Villa and start a game with absolutely no strikers like they have today................... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeemuVanBasten 3,327 Posted January 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Since 1980 said: You only need to look at Villa to see spending money doesn't buy/guarantee league position. That's true, although they do have 50% more points than us and remember that as we went up as Champions and they were play-off winners, they would theoretically have had to have spent more than us to bridge the gap in quality. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Disco Dales Jockstrap 1,891 Posted January 12, 2020 Just now, Thirsty Lizard said: Or we could spend £140 million like Aston Villa and start a game with absolutely no strikers like they have today................... Not sure what that has to do with Sheffield Utd...but ok! Villa's spending is insane, no doubt about it. OTBC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thirsty Lizard 3,085 Posted January 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, Disco Dales Jockstrap said: Not sure what that has to do with Sheffield Utd...but ok! Villa's spending is insane, no doubt about it. OTBC It was the strikers point I was making really Disco. Just listening to the Radio 5 Live commentary and they were talking about how Villa are playing with no recognised striker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonyc 5,447 Posted January 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, Thirsty Lizard said: Or we could spend £140 million like Aston Villa and start a game with absolutely no strikers like they have today................... Ran out of reactions today but I was thinking the same! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Disco Dales Jockstrap 1,891 Posted January 12, 2020 Just now, Thirsty Lizard said: It was the strikers point I was making really Disco. Just listening to the Radio 5 Live commentary and they were talking about how Villa are playing with no recognised striker. Sorry TL - you make a valid point about the money they've spend and yet they don't appear to even have one good striker! I see Man City are currently tearing them a new one! OTBC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonyc 5,447 Posted January 12, 2020 And Wesley (and Joelinton @ Newcastle)....have not ripped up many trees have they. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,455 Posted January 12, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Thirsty Lizard said: Do you think Aston Villa set out with the intention of not spending it wisely? Or maybe Bournemouth who have had a net spend of £75 million over the last two seasons. Buying footballers is an inexact science. There are never any guarantees. That is my exact point. Nobody thinks spending guarantees anything but we are pretty certain not spending guarantees something... Edited January 12, 2020 by king canary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Disco Dales Jockstrap 1,891 Posted January 12, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Midlands Yellow said: There’s another who should be arrested for high treason. Off to the tower young man. My card's been marked by now. I was probably put down as an 'unsure' on the list but now I'll be a 'full bin-ner'. I say it as I see it. I generally try not to get too high or too low about our lovely club's progress during the season (best for my state of mind tbh) but the stats of our season don't lie unfortunately. I wish they did but they don't. And it's sh1t. 😥 OTBC Edited January 12, 2020 by Disco Dales Jockstrap Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,503 Posted January 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, king canary said: That is my exact point. Nobody thinks spending guarantees anything but we are pretty certain not spending guarantees something... To be fair some people said exactly that last season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unique 434 Posted January 12, 2020 Farke has shown a complete inability to prevent us freely shipping goals, and yet, ironically, three of our regular young defenders, Godfrey, Aarons and Lewis are collectively valued at close to £90m! I would still like to see Farke trying three at the back to give more freedom to Aarons and Lewis further up th pitch, but Farke seems reluctant to try anything different. It shouldn’t be underestimated how much defensiv3 injuries have played thei4 part this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,455 Posted January 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, hogesar said: To be fair some people said exactly that last season. I'd wager we spent more last season that we did this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ron obvious 1,473 Posted January 12, 2020 1 hour ago, king canary said: How many times does this asinine point have to get made? Nobody thinks it guarantees anything. It has to be spent well. But spending next to nothing seems to guarantee something.... We spent next to nothing & won the Championship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul moy 235 Posted January 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, unique said: Farke has shown a complete inability to prevent us freely shipping goals, and yet, ironically, three of our regular young defenders, Godfrey, Aarons and Lewis are collectively valued at close to £90m! I would still like to see Farke trying three at the back to give more freedom to Aarons and Lewis further up th pitch, but Farke seems reluctant to try anything different. It shouldn’t be underestimated how much defensiv3 injuries have played thei4 part this season. Exactly, and that gets zero recognition from the pundits, just as the return of Troy Deeney after long-term injury for Watford does not either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,503 Posted January 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, king canary said: I'd wager we spent more last season that we did this season. I think just our wage bill this season will drastically demolish our transfer fees and wages combined last season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 4,092 Posted January 12, 2020 Farke has been thrown under a bus and deserves a free hit this season. I'm not sure the fans will be as forgiving next season if we can't beat Championship teams. Can't say I agree with the timing of some of his substitutions but I doubt they would have changed the results. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites