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1. We asked everyone to step up. Players and staff. 

Naive. 

2. We didn't invest when it was obvious our already bad defence had two key injuries pre season. 

3.we backed up our only striker with a crocked striker. 

City have not invested in the basics of staying up. 

Look at Sheff utd. 

Inferior squad. Arguably an inferior manager. 

Spunked money, stayed solid. 

Fifth! 

Where does the blame lay? 

Not in the amazing young lads overproducing.

Not in Farke who is an incredible manager. 

It lays with the board. 

Invest in contacts, fine. 

But spend just a million quid to try and stay up? 

Absolutely mental. 

 

 

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We failed because our front six players are too small and are constantly bullied off the ball by much bigger but equally talented opposition. 

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I'd probably suggest that we were let down by our more experienced players today.

Whilst United did well to press us and force us into mistakes, Hanley, Zimmermann, Tettey, Vrancic and McLean were all poor today and lost possession repeatedly. Paddy gave all of the above 5/10 on his ratings. 

We had a small chance of snatching something at 1-0 but Krul had a shocker and decided to slide in on Williams. 

As I mention on a different thread,  we shouldn't really expect to get anything from United away (a free hit, as Webber would say) so we should just move on from this quickly and focus on Bournemouth.

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We also opted to hand out new contracts to the entire squad before they'd proven they could do it at this level.

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The team is not as good as we thought. Youth, lack of top level experiece and just not good enough.

Barring one or two, none have stepped up or improved.

There is no depth in the squad. Nobody on the bench can come on and help change the game.

The coach is very inexperienced and tactically struggling.

We can't kill off games and have lost to teams when we should have won.

Other teams sussed us out very quickly.

VAR has killed us in certain games.

Lady luck has ****ed off.

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58 minutes ago, king canary said:

We also opted to hand out new contracts to the entire squad before they'd proven they could do it at this level.

Say you done well at work and made a company millions of pounds, would you stay on the same wage. Hmm, doubt it.

Or would you want to do what loads of teams have done before and chuck millions at players who are over the hill and not give two sh*ts and just draw a wage and still be bottom.

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1 hour ago, dylanisabaddog said:

We failed because our front six players are too small and are constantly bullied off the ball by much bigger but equally talented opposition. 

I think the defence and back ups are more questionable Than the attack

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1 hour ago, king canary said:

We also opted to hand out new contracts to the entire squad before they'd proven they could do it at this level.

Great point this and one I really agree with.

 

We've been so naive - even now, how have we let Srbeny go prior to replacing him? Appreciate he probably would'nt have offered much more than Adam but how can you put yourself in a position where you have no striker for a month? Assuming we do replace him.

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Jobsworth Canary said:

Oh can I also add Meghan Markle to the reasons for the failure 

You could do but it would win you the admiration of Piers Morgan. Some might think that too high a price to pay.

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Our huge cash pile, courtesy of the broadcasters, is continuing to expand in the bank rather than being converted into premier league quality centre backs.

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2 minutes ago, CDMullins said:

Great point this and one I really agree with.

 

We've been so naive - even now, how have we let Srbeny go prior to replacing him? Appreciate he probably would'nt have offered much more than Adam but how can you put yourself in a position where you have no striker for a month? Assuming we do replace him.

 

 

A lot of these criticisms (transfers, contracts etc) were being praised in the summer. It's only now - with the benefit of hindsight - that people are complaining about it.

We need to take a longer term view about this and trust that we will continue to develop the squad - in a better financial position than we were when we got promoted - and learn from this season's shortcomings if we do get promoted again.

Appreciate that we got promoted sooner than expected and that we still have Farke/Webber for another three years. 

* "you have no striker for a month" - Idah is fit and Drmic and Pukki are back next week.

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2 minutes ago, Yellow and Green said:

A lot of these criticisms (transfers, contracts etc) were being praised in the summer. It's only now - with the benefit of hindsight - that people are complaining about it.

This just isn't true. Plenty were questioning our transfers (or lack thereof) before the season began.

 

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34 minutes ago, Ward 3 said:

Say you done well at work and made a company millions of pounds, would you stay on the same wage. Hmm, doubt it.

Or would you want to do what loads of teams have done before and chuck millions at players who are over the hill and not give two sh*ts and just draw a wage and still be bottom.

Yes, those are the only two options on the table...

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Just now, king canary said:

Yes, those are the only two options on the table...

So instead of rewarding the lads who got us up to have a shot, you would rather replace them all?

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We failed because we decided not to add quality players to compliment the players we already had. We tried to do it on the cheap and it’s failed spectacularly. 

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6 minutes ago, king canary said:

This just isn't true. Plenty were questioning our transfers (or lack thereof) before the season began.

 

If you go back and look most were happy with our business in the summer.

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6 minutes ago, Yellow and Green said:

A lot of these criticisms (transfers, contracts etc) were being praised in the summer. It's only now - with the benefit of hindsight - that people are complaining about it.

We need to take a longer term view about this and trust that we will continue to develop the squad - in a better financial position than we were when we got promoted - and learn from this season's shortcomings if we do get promoted again.

Appreciate that we got promoted sooner than expected and that we still have Farke/Webber for another three years. 

* "you have no striker for a month" - Idah is fit and Drmic and Pukki are back next week.

Not true at all, lets be honest our recruitment in the summer was dissapointing, no one was getting excited about Byram or Drmic.

 

Develop the squad for what? to be relegated, sell our assets and start again in the Championship?

At what point will we develop our squad to be a competitive Premier League squad?

 

Any suggestion that Idah is a capable replacement for Teemu at this stage is ludicrous.

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4 minutes ago, Ward 3 said:

So instead of rewarding the lads who got us up to have a shot, you would rather replace them all?

That is quite the leap. 

The lads would have been rewarded by the promotion wage rises I'd assume we're already baked into their contracts. It made sense to tie down some key contributors like Pukki and Buendia to longer deals to cover us, I'm just not sure we needed to do that for the entire squad.

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2 minutes ago, Hillhead said:

If you go back and look most were happy with our business in the summer.

This.👍

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Just now, Herman said:

This.👍

Most were ok with who came in but also there were quite a few questions about who didn't.

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We failed because we dropped points against other teams when we were winning. Losing away to United 4-0 didn't send us down.

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5 minutes ago, Ward 3 said:

So instead of rewarding the lads who got us up to have a shot, you would rather replace them all?

It’s not simply a case of doing one option or the other, is it? For sure there has to be an element of asset protection (Webber’s phrase, I believe) with the youngsters, plus the likes of Krul and Pukki, but it seemed illogical to go as far as they did, with the likes of Stiepermann, for example, who had two years left on his contract. Maybe some of that money could have been directed towards new players?

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Naive is the word. At board level I would add lack of ambition but Webber has not equipped us with a fit for purpose squad and Farke has also been disappointing and naive with his tactics at times, yesterday being a case in point. 

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You can only measure failure at the end of the project.

We are WELL ahead of where we SHOULD be, after JUST 2.5 seasons of the Webberlution, and so, actually, we're over succeeding!

 

No one thought we would be a Premier League team when we kicked off against Birmingham in August 2018 but we won the league - were we at THAT stage suddenly supposed to flush the project down the toilet by copying what we had done in previous promotions and risk relegation and financial jeopardy AGAIN???

The Webberlution deserves patience and can't be judged YET!

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3 minutes ago, GMF said:

It’s not simply a case of doing one option or the other, is it? For sure there has to be an element of asset protection (Webber’s phrase, I believe) with the youngsters, plus the likes of Krul and Pukki, but it seemed illogical to go as far as they did, with the likes of Stiepermann, for example, who had two years left on his contract. Maybe some of that money could have been directed towards new players?

Seems to be one or the other for the majority of cry babies on here over the last 24 hours. 

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8 minutes ago, Cantiaci Canary said:

You can only measure failure at the end of the project.

We are WELL ahead of where we SHOULD be, after JUST 2.5 season's of the Webberlution, and so, actually, we're over succeeding!

 

No one thought we would be a Premier League team when we kicked off against Birmingham in August 2018 but we won the league - were we at that state supposed to flush the project down the toilet by copying what we did in previous promotions and risk relegation and financial jeopardy AGAIN???

The Webberlution deserves patience and csn't be judged YET!

When is the end of the project though? This relegation will bring a mass exodus of our most talented players and then we’re back to square one and another rebuild, does that mean a new 3 year project is then in place? There is no set timescales it’s a case of taking the opportunity when it comes.

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Majority of people are acting like we have 0 points on the board and create naff all week in week out. Look at Southampton a few weeks back, they got a string of results together and  now look. Its also nice to see people have give up so much hope. 'We failed because.....' seasons not over until may. I'm not being blind but it takes a few good results and you can spring up the table.

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3 minutes ago, Ward 3 said:

Seems to be one or the other for the majority of cry babies on here over the last 24 hours. 

As far as I can see it's only you suggesting replacing the entire squad.

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