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9 minutes ago, Herman said:

They're revealed every year. Or are you suggesting the club and accountants are being naughty?

It's never too long until this absolute bollox starts to come out from the 9/11 conspiracy theorists.

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41 minutes ago, Hoola Han Solo said:

I’m not talking about us challenging for Europe, but a 5 or 6 year stay, even if it meant eventual relegation, would be nice.

The excitement of promotion is terrific, but the season after is proving to be so anticlimactic. I’m fed up with this season now tbh.

Whats the point of promotion if we are so poor the next?

I agree with that. 5 or 6 year stay is a realistic target.

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I was going to explain my poor little plan again, but I see this thread has been overwhelmed with loads of much better, vastly more feasible ideas, so there’s no need!

I would say just one thing. The notion that because something isn’t up for sale, with stubborn owners, means it cannot possibly be bought doesn’t fit with my understanding of how capitalism works.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said:

I was going to explain my poor little plan again, but I see this thread has been overwhelmed with loads of much better, vastly more feasible ideas, so there’s no need!

I would say just one thing. The notion that because something isn’t up for sale, with stubborn owners, means it cannot possibly be bought doesn’t fit with my understanding of how capitalism works.

 

 

Our owners operate under a more socialistic model😉

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7 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said:

I was going to explain my poor little plan again, but I see this thread has been overwhelmed with loads of much better, vastly more feasible ideas, so there’s no need!

I would say just one thing. The notion that because something isn’t up for sale, with stubborn owners, means it cannot possibly be bought doesn’t fit with my understanding of how capitalism works.

 

 

You're forgetting. Never in the history of economics or business has a company been sold that didnt want to be sold.

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1 hour ago, wcorkcanary said:

Thats the bit I dont get, why get all wound up about someting that is totally beyond your control? If they decide to sell, it will herald a new direction( maybe). Till then, why waste energy? 

Yep why worry about the club you have supported all you life..  just sit back and have no feelings or opinions about it????

Its my club / our club and the current owners are just the custodians of it.. when they go it will still be there.. its NCFC not Delia Utd.

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At some point, possibly even now, millionaire owners aren’t enough.  There are some very rich owners of Championship clubs, who if they aren’t restricted by FFP would be able to spend millions to stay in the Premier.  At some point, even clubs with wealthy backers will be relegated.  

Effectively, to be an established Premier League club, your owners will need to be able to pump in more than at least half a dozen other very wealthy owners.  I would love a billionaire owner, it would make success more accessible - but not guaranteed.  

As depressing as this season is, over the past decade I think we have had more excitement than finishing 11th in the Premier every season.  

By the way, I’m not giving this season up yet either. I don’t expect the players to, so however long the odds, I’m not either.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, PurpleCanary said:

I was going to explain my poor little plan again, but I see this thread has been overwhelmed with loads of much better, vastly more feasible ideas, so there’s no need!

I would say just one thing. The notion that because something isn’t up for sale, with stubborn owners, means it cannot possibly be bought doesn’t fit with my understanding of how capitalism works.

 

 

Yes, practical though your idea is, your "poor little plan" doesn't seem to have gained any traction Purple. I think folk prefer to criticise, to post angrily against other posters' views and not take any responsibility. One can type and type and get annoyed, give out semi-abusive treatment to people you don't agree with and in doing so, feel 1% better... but you've not had to change anything in the process. God forbid any difficult self awareness or compassion for other supporters gets a look in.

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1 hour ago, hogesar said:

You're forgetting. Never in the history of economics or business has a company been sold that didnt want to be sold.

More plagiarism.

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Midlands, I was very disappointed with Delia's recent Sky interview with Neville & Carragher. It struck a wrong note. Likewise the infamous Times article filled me with a deep sense of disappointment. Don't you think though that given her age (& MWJ) that she may decide to step down at some stage? It might be soon for all we know. And secondly, we may have been too cautious in our preparation for this season but if we do have to re-set in summer 2020 then we do so without being hampered by severe debt? 

It is what it is and unless we as a group of fans wish to collectively form an official protest (of whatever version) we just have to look ahead and wait for the next chapter. We have a decent set of younger players coming through for example. That is a positive and so unlike NCFC of old (I've supported since the age of 10 when I started going to matches, so that's now 50 years and I cannot recall feeling any sense of hope like I do this time as we face relegation).

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10 minutes ago, sonyc said:

Midlands, I was very disappointed with Delia's recent Sky interview with Neville & Carragher. It struck a wrong note. Likewise the infamous Times article filled me with a deep sense of disappointment. Don't you think though that given her age (& MWJ) that she may decide to step down at some stage? It might be soon for all we know. And secondly, we may have been too cautious in our preparation for this season but if we do have to re-set in summer 2020 then we do so without being hampered by severe debt? 

It is what it is and unless we as a group of fans wish to collectively form an official protest (of whatever version) we just have to look ahead and wait for the next chapter. We have a decent set of younger players coming through for example. That is a positive and so unlike NCFC of old (I've supported since the age of 10 when I started going to matches, so that's now 50 years and I cannot recall feeling any sense of hope like I do this time as we face relegation).

The best protests are not contrived but seem to happen spontaneously and before you know it the leader is toppled. I’m thinking the Berlin Wall here and  the demise of Ceaucescu .

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2 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

The best protests are not contrived but seem to happen spontaneously and before you know it the leader is toppled. I’m thinking the Berlin Wall here and  the demise of Ceaucescu .

Then assuming you're not making a really dry joke Midlands (& I enjoy darker humour) I don't think yet that the groundswell of disquiet is there.

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5 minutes ago, sonyc said:

Then assuming you're not making a really dry joke Midlands (& I enjoy darker humour) I don't think yet that the groundswell of disquiet is there.

I’m not advocating a Court -martial of any sort. I’d personally be happy if Delia and Michael stayed on as ambassadors of the club if and when they stepped aside and sold up. 

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15 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

I’m not advocating a Court -martial of any sort. I’d personally be happy if Delia and Michael stayed on as ambassadors of the club if and when they stepped aside and sold up. 

Don't you think they make be close to standing down then? Retiring?

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The level of spend required to stabilise Norwich in the Prem would rule out investment from anyone except those who want to use investment as an some kind of soft power exercise - which, given the geography and profile of the club and city, makes that extremely unlikely. 

I don't think the numbers stack very well for an investor looking to get a return (but more than happy to be shown to be wrong on this - finance isn't exactly my forte), so it leaves only those looking to gain alternative benefit from investment.

These people are generally looking for existing global brands, clubs in big cities or, in the case of Chinese investment in the Midlands, a foothold in an area known for logistics.

It's hard to see how Norwich would ever fit into those plans.

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48 minutes ago, kirku said:

The level of spend required to stabilise Norwich in the Prem would rule out investment from anyone except those who want to use investment as an some kind of soft power exercise - which, given the geography and profile of the club and city, makes that extremely unlikely. 

I don't think the numbers stack very well for an investor looking to get a return (but more than happy to be shown to be wrong on this - finance isn't exactly my forte), so it leaves only those looking to gain alternative benefit from investment.

These people are generally looking for existing global brands, clubs in big cities or, in the case of Chinese investment in the Midlands, a foothold in an area known for logistics.

It's hard to see how Norwich would ever fit into those plans.

So Leicester? Wolves? 100% disagree.. its a cop out to use that as an excuse.

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3 minutes ago, Kenny Foggo said:

So Leicester? Wolves? 100% disagree.. its a cop out to use that as an excuse.

Who wouldn’t want to invest in Wolverhampton after a scenic walk around the town. 

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How many times under Delia and Michael  have city been promoted to the prem, how many times have they been relegated having made it to the prem?

Need you say any more! It’s mere history repeating itself. 

We’ve been given the “dream team” of managers, we’ve suffered Roeder, Gunn, Hughton and a few more. Historically they were moved on for failure. History repeating itself!

we have tried following the ideals of Charlotte Athletic and a few more clubs. It didn't work. History repeating itself.

we now have the self sustaining model and the wish to be a top 26 club!

if that is the way forward, then smith and jones need to become history themselves I’m afraid, just like Chase, Watling and the rest.

history repeating itself once again. 

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1 hour ago, sonyc said:

Don't you think they make be close to standing down then? Retiring?

In the next decade or so yes . But unfortunately not selling.

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9 minutes ago, City 2nd said:

How many times under Delia and Michael  have city been promoted to the prem, how many times have they been relegated having made it to the prem?

Need you say any more! It’s mere history repeating itself. 

We’ve been given the “dream team” of managers, we’ve suffered Roeder, Gunn, Hughton and a few more. Historically they were moved on for failure. History repeating itself!

we have tried following the ideals of Charlotte Athletic and a few more clubs. It didn't work. History repeating itself.

we now have the self sustaining model and the wish to be a top 26 club!

if that is the way forward, then smith and jones need to become history themselves I’m afraid, just like Chase, Watling and the rest.

history repeating itself once again. 

History repeating itself? That's Ncfc in a nutshell. In 48 years since we first got promoted (my first season of regularly watching) we have had 10 promotions and as at this moment, 9 relegations. 5 promotions and 5 relegations took place pre Delia ('71/72 to '94/95). 5 promotions and 4 relegations have taken place under her (with surely one more pending). Our average position over those 48 years has been 22nd (26th since the Premier League began)..or 6th in the Championship (a top 26 club haha). The amount of times we have bounced straight back after relegation has been amazing. Only an extended (boring) spell in the 90s and early 00's plus a less boring spells in the old Division 1 (both 6 games long) punctuated our ups and downs. It's been an exciting period on the whole to be a Norwich fan. Nothing boring in this tiny city in England (let's face it Norwich is). I've enjoyed my support. This current phase is certainly not boring but it is frustrating. You have to look over a long period of time. Football changes just like our hairline and its greying colour if you are lucky enough to keep it. Delia and MWJ are different to modern ownership models. It will change again. Life goes on. History repeats. We have had some good history in my humble view. And I hope we make lots more.

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2 hours ago, Kenny Foggo said:

So Leicester? Wolves? 100% disagree.. its a cop out to use that as an excuse.

Wolves aren't exactly an established Premiership side, are they? They've only been there for two seasons. Clearly, they're on the up and doing very well at the moment but that can all come crashing down really quite quickly.

As for the reasons for Fosun to invest, it seems somewhat unlikely that every (or nearly every) major Midlands club now have Chinese owners out of sheer coincidence, in an area well-known to be a logistics centre of the country. Add this to the Chinese Belt and Road plan, Xi's love of football and suddenly it all starts to come together a lot more.

Leicester, I know less about in terms of motivation or figures, aside from the fact that the 5000/1 odds on their league win (and subsequent consolidation) might not represent the best model for someone to try and replicate.

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8 minutes ago, nutty nigel said:

Wolves are established because they replaced Stoke who were established...

...who replaced Charlton, who had replaced Burnley, who had replaced Huddersfield, who had replaced Bradford Park Avenue, who had replaced Accrington Stanley, who had replaced BuryTown, who had replaced Old Etonians, who had replaced Royal Engineers, who had...

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3 hours ago, PurpleCanary said:

...who replaced Charlton, who had replaced Burnley, who had replaced Huddersfield, who had replaced Bradford Park Avenue, who had replaced Accrington Stanley, who had replaced BuryTown, who had replaced Old Etonians, who had replaced Royal Engineers, who had...

Sorry Purple but Bury Town have never been established. Get a grip. 😀

Although they once were a feeder club for us ….

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