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20 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

Yes, it started in 1997. Of course it did. The long term plan has always been to get a settled heirachy of management and of building from within the club and emulating the 70's/80's/early 90's when that policy culminated in such highs as Bayern Munich and the top three in the PL.

Football is a notoriously difficult industry to be involved in at ownership level and yet throughout their tenure DS and MJW have tried throughout to find the best way of achieving a sustainable club that builds from within - making mistakes along the way, but some great times too. 

So they have always pursued a project that at it's heart a policy of togetheness and building from within - but that is not easy to do.  Keeping Worthy too long was a thing - and they tried Megson and Grant out of a sense of wanting to keep things Norwich based.  Ok, that didn't work out and they had to change tack and Roeder appeared to be a safe pair of hands to start building again.......ok, that didn't work so what did they do? Tried to find a Norwich way again - the Gunn/Crook/Butterworth partnership. That could have worked given time imo, but spectacularly imploded as we know.

Then we had McNally - an inspired signing by the owners - who got us out of the Norwich build from within idea and got us Lambert, Hughton and Neil.  All ok and did the job up to a point, Lambert was sensational, but it was leading nowhere - he got us to the top and staying there one season, but there was no building for the future - and he left us under a cloud. So Hughton was to rebuild the club and establish a way of things that would stand the test of time - and we all know what happened there. On to Neil who did great, except he couldn't handle the PL at that time - but if he had done well the season after the relegation and got us back to the PL, the plan would have looked great - a young manager, learning the job and starting to get young players through etc etc.....he could have been at Norwich for years - except he lost his way.

So on to Webber and Farke - and a bright new progressive world.  And boy did it work! We have what they wanted all along, a financially sustainable club with a great set up throughout - with great people at the heart of the football club, a sense of togetherness possibly even better than with Lambert when he was at Norwich. 

So through all the ups and downs since 1997, what do we find?  in 2020 a club that is at it's most at ease with itself than it ever has been before. Finances sorted, youth policy sorted, infrastructure sorted and improving all the time, playing good football at the highest level of the game and getting plaudits from those that see us play.

If you look just skin deep, you look and say - there is a club with no money at the bottom of the PL going down.....but that is so wrong in so many ways - and to me it doesn't feel like that.  I still think there is a chance we can get back up in the mix - and even if we don't, the kind of football we are playing is at times a joy to watch. So if we go down, we are still going to be in good shape.

The long term project is working - the basket case of a club we were in 1997 has transformed 23 years later into a fantastic club almost unrecogniseable from the one inherited by DS and MJW.  Their long term project has always been to create something sustainable - not just in finances but in personell in the club and a building from within, both in players and the youth policy and in management - which I am sure there are plans about, should anyone leave. 

Sorry this is so long winded, but I cannot understand why people are still harping on about the owners. We are lucky to have them, they have overseen lots of success as well as some failure - ups and downs - highs and lows - in short a roller coaster of a time when plenty other of bigger clubs have done very little over the last twenty three years - all in an era where money talks and at a club that has never, ever, had much money.

We have - and are still getting - unforgettable things to remember happening - and long may it continue.  I am accused often of being too positive, but really, you only have to look at the last two years - we are a club transformed from something that was already pretty special, into a club that is just about as special as you could imagine. The manager is loved, the players are brilliant in skill and attitude, the latest highlight being Adam Idah and his emergence, which will continue at pace.

Great club, great owners and yet the only complaint people can come up with is "but we hent got no hinvestment".

Open your eyes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Good evening Tom, how is Auntie Delia, hope you had a great Christmas.........finally worked out who you are 

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One of my favourites was that thread in August 2018 whining about Jamal Lewis being sold for 10m, our last saleable asset. Now I'm not the brightest but we had Aarons, Zimmermann, Godfrey, Buendia, Pukki to name a few. You soothsayers were proved well and truly wrong for the nth time and yet you're back again?

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3 hours ago, Kenny Foggo said:

So how many years have we, as a club, been in the 2nd or indeed 3rd tier of football against being in the top tier? You like facts look it up my friend... I would say that setting a target of top26 probably means at best 2nd tier. Funny how you go all defensive and rather childish when a counter argument is given to yours. A bit sad really because you can and do make some good points.. oh well takes all sorts

If you like facts then that makes no sense at all. Setting a target of top 26 acknowledges that for the last 40 years we have been a yoyo club - fact - and that our target is to either be in the top tier or in the second tier and in the mix for promotion back to the top tier.

Which is the exact opposite of what you said, it means at worst we will be in the 2nd tier (and the top end of the second tier at that).

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26 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

The thing is Nutty i have been told a few minutes ago that the past is the past and gone forever and to forget about it. Ah well there goes those memories of mine of 3 trips to Wembley in the League Cup in 1973,75 and 85, 3 trips into Europe, Brisbane Road in 1972, FA Cup semi finals at Villa Park and Hillsborough and many other highlights over the years but now i am being labelled a Binner or Binnerish. The internet however will not take them away from me.

As for St Andrews ( i just knew you would throw that one in ) it is finnito, in the past. 😂

It was in the past for me but apparently in your decade when you got all binnerish about things🙃 at least they hanker back at perceived glories...

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2 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

If you like facts then that makes no sense at all. Setting a target of top 26 acknowledges that for the last 40 years we have been a yoyo club - fact - and that our target is to either be in the top tier or in the second tier and in the mix for promotion back to the top tier.

Which is the exact opposite of what you said, it means at worst we will be in the 2nd tier (and the top end of the second tier at that).

None of it makes sense. 🤣

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1 hour ago, Thirsty Lizard said:

1971 for me pardner so as you correctly point out you're a relative youngster 😉 

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To be honest the people on here that call others

A) Binners - because they have some other ideas than the current owners

Or

B) Happy Clappers - because they support 100% The owners regardless of performance on the pitch

Spoil what could be a very decent discussion site regards anything NCFC... I understand why lots just can not be bothered... Modern life I suppose.

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10 minutes ago, Kenny Foggo said:

To be honest the people on here that call others

A) Binners - because they have some other ideas than the current owners

Or

B) Happy Clappers - because they support 100% The owners regardless of performance on the pitch

Spoil what could be a very decent discussion site regards anything NCFC... I understand why lots just can not be bothered... Modern life I suppose.

That's a stretch. The point being harking back to distant decades is binnerish. Why would I call Tilly a binner. 

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1 hour ago, wcorkcanary said:

Whine whine, you know exactly what I meant or are you truly that one dimensional ? Playing the victim card now,? Ha effin Ha.

Earlier you described me as a specimen and now we have thinly disguised abusive language. Says far more about you than it does me but hey ho keep it up if it gives you some sort of gratification banging away on the internet.

As for me i really don't give a jot what you think or print.

Have a good evening.

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52 minutes ago, Kenny Foggo said:

To be honest the people on here that call others

A) Binners - because they have some other ideas than the current owners

Or

B) Happy Clappers - because they support 100% The owners regardless of performance on the pitch

Spoil what could be a very decent discussion site regards anything NCFC... I understand why lots just can not be bothered... Modern life I suppose.

I dunno, there's been a lot of really good discussion on here recently, as well as the odd flare-up of course. The truth is almost always somewhere in the middle ground, but, as with every walk of life, there are people at opposite ends of the dichotomy who refuse to concede an inch in the other direction.

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Surely at the end of the day we are all City supporters, some can go every week some can not, I wish we could stop all these petty arguments, perhaps a separate board for those who don’t get on

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2 minutes ago, CANARYKING said:

Surely at the end of the day we are all City supporters, some can go every week some can not, I wish we could stop all these petty arguments, perhaps a separate board for those who don’t get on

It's always gonna happen, it's the internet. I used to be an absolute b*stard for getting in loads of petty squabbles on here, but it's much more enjoyable since I chilled out a bit. It's like an episode of Pingu on here compared to what it's been like at various other points in the last few years! 🙂

PS. Binner

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1 minute ago, Feedthewolf said:

It's always gonna happen, it's the internet. I used to be an absolute b*stard for getting in loads of petty squabbles on here, but it's much more enjoyable since I chilled out a bit. It's like an episode of Pingu on here compared to what it's been like at various other points in the last few years! 🙂

PS. Binner

PS Binner ?

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4 minutes ago, CANARYKING said:

PS Binner ?

It's just a joke! I was using it ironically.

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6 minutes ago, CANARYKING said:

Surely at the end of the day we are all City supporters, some can go every week some can not, I wish we could stop all these petty arguments, perhaps a separate board for those who don’t get on

We already have the PUPs thread where you find that those who spend most of the day every day playing the poster and not the post  steer clear of for some reason which makes it a pleasant place to visit.

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1 minute ago, TIL 1010 said:

We already have the PUPs thread where you find that those who spend most of the day every day playing the poster and not the post  steer clear of for some reason which makes it a pleasant place to visit.

I would definitely recommend joining the PUPs thread, @CANARYKING. It's completely free from the kind of tawdry sniping that some people can't help but engage in...

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3 hours ago, Thirsty Lizard said:

1971 for me pardner so as you correctly point out you're a relative youngster 😉 

I don't take seriously anyone who saw their first game after 1959, on the basis that they are mere neophytes who know nothing, and I don't take seriously anyone who saw their first game before 1959 on the basis that they are almost certainly now completely gaga.

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1 hour ago, TIL 1010 said:

Earlier you described me as a specimen and now we have thinly disguised abusive language. Says far more about you than it does me but hey ho keep it up if it gives you some sort of gratification banging away on the internet.

As for me i really don't give a jot what you think or print.

Have a good evening.

You too.

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1 hour ago, CANARYKING said:

Surely at the end of the day we are all City supporters, some can go every week some can not, I wish we could stop all these petty arguments, perhaps a separate board for those who don’t get on

Same people do the same arguing, that's why people leave & some don't bother posting so much anymore, shame really!

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12 hours ago, PurpleCanary said:

I don't take seriously anyone who saw their first game after 1959, on the basis that they are mere neophytes who know nothing, and I don't take seriously anyone who saw their first game before 1959 on the basis that they are almost certainly now completely gaga.

I fully realise that I'm merely a young pup Purple. I like to see myself as a sort of Adam Idah figure on this board. You and Nutty I see as Tim Krul/Alex Tettey types. 😉 

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13 hours ago, nutty nigel said:

Certain posters🙃

Best message board in the world👍

There's only about 3 active ncfc message boards left now, pinkun, Norwich Talk, wotb  so not much competition Nutty😀

Most fans use twitter & instagram & facebook now, messageboards are outdated now & being phased out, though not sure what you'd ever do if this one disappeared 🤣

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The way I see it is that supporting Norwich City is a relationship more akin to a family member / pet, or a close friend, than anything else. More often than not, it is something you are born in to, or stumbled upon by chance during your childhood – not really a direct choice in the same way as – say – investing shares in a business would be.

Taking this comparison forwards, to constantly berate and whine over about your family’s failings and annoyances – when there is a clear and undeniable argument that demonstrates plenty of positives as well – would be grossly unpleasant.

As always, the truth is somewhere in the middle and I am sure I am with the majority when I say I am somewhere in the middle of CirclePoint’s abusive attitude towards criticism of the club and TIL’s blatant misery towards our current ownership…

On the subject of investment, do I think the club could have done more in the summer to put us in better than we are now? Yes I do. And the attempted signing of the French winger (whose name escapes me) on the last day of the window with a £16 million bid suggests that there was money to spend. I find this baffling and am surprised it has not been mentioned in this thread as yet; it throws the investment strategy and a lot of the arguments made on here into the air and I think there are some legitimate criticisms to ask here:

  • Why did we wait until the last day of the window to demonstrate such a significant outlay on just one player?
  • Why didn’t we make the attempt earlier in the window, where a plan B or C could be considered?
  • Would we have been better place spending this on 3-4 signings for around the £5m mark?

However, the lack of investment has only come to the forefront of the conversation as the signings we did make have overall been poor, plus we have experienced an injury crisis worse than any other in my living memory - both of which we can only know with the benefit of hindsight. But again, there is a case to be made for suggesting we were light on CB’s given Zimmerman was already injured in the summer, and Klose’s patchy fitness record.

So yes, some questions should rightly be asked about our performance in the summer transfer window – but to focus and whine only on these pitfalls would be to disrespect everything positive and to ignore the external factors which couldn’t have been known.

And let’s be real, given the season of consolidation under Farke with the 14th place finish and loss of our only valuable asset in Maddison at the time – I think we all would’ve ripped many arm’s off to be in this position only 18 months later. To be a self-sufficient club is something I am proud of, and there are plenty of fans from elsewhere who look at our youth system and transfer policy which saw us win the championship title on an absolute shoestring budget with serious envy.

Without sounding ‘little ol’ Norwich’, our investment strategy means we will be the best equipped team to bounce immediately back from relegation (should relegation transpire) – I imagine we will lose a few of our players but we do not need to sell in the same way that saw us lose Maddison and I believe many will also stay. Because of this, we will be able to mount a very healthy championship challenge indeed. There is a lot to love about this set up, our club and Norfolk both in general and geographically, it is the same thing that sometimes makes it difficult to attract players from elsewhere that also makes it difficult for players to leave. Just look at players like Ruddy, Huckerby, Klose, Howson, Olsson, Brady etc etc all staying on after a relegation and some of whom rejected premier league offers to stay. That gives me plenty of confidence for our prospects.

So, to bring it back to my comparison of Norwich City being like a member of the family, yes the club is not perfect and it does make mistakes, but I would never trade for another and there are plenty of positives that –  for me – easily outweigh the negatives. To think we would not have a new set of criticisms and failings to aim at a new owner is frankly wild. The grass is not always greener and I’d say that overall our grass is pretty green at the moment – I am certainly happy to continue with our current model into the championship next season (if that’s where we are playing) and onwards!

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10 minutes ago, Diane said:

There's only about 3 active ncfc message boards left now, pinkun, Norwich Talk, wotb  so not much competition Nutty😀

Most fans use twitter & instagram & facebook now, messageboards are outdated now & being phased out, though not sure what you'd ever do if this one disappeared 🤣

Norwich Talk still active is it ?

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