Jonncfc 28 Posted December 8, 2019 Sad though it is to have to admit, but it really does seem that the noble ideal of being a self-sustaining club that lives and succeeds within its own means without external investment is naïve and doomed to failure. In an egalitarian socialist utopia where all clubs operate on a level playing field this would be a realistic way to operate, but football these days, particularly at the highest level where the rewards are huge, requires enormous investment. Yes, we can sell some of our younger home-grown players, probably for severals tens of millions, but always offloading our best players to make ends meet is never going to be a model for becoming an established and successful team in the Premier League. It really is time to accept that the “Little Norwich” mentality has to change. For those that disagree, have a look at Leicester by way of comparison. That league table recently published showing the relative worth of the owners of all Premier League clubs was very telling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 3,825 Posted December 8, 2019 Take a look also at the vast amount of money Sky gives to help any club invest in a few new players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Graham Paddons Beard 2,352 Posted December 8, 2019 Oh good. A “self sustaining model” thread. Exactly what we need . 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Making Plans 929 Posted December 8, 2019 (edited) There is absolutely no point in getting promotion if you are not going to give it a go. And that means spending money. I can only assume that the owners are only really happy when we are a mid table Club in the Champs with no danger of either getting promotion or being relegated. Edited December 8, 2019 by Making Plans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cliff the Canary 63 Posted December 8, 2019 The clubs owners ambition is to be a ‘top 26’ side! Which says it all and are clearly happy to be relegated! if the majority of the fan base buy into this, nothing will ever change! They have no desire to relinquish power, even having a ludicrous succession plan to hand the reins to an inexperienced nephew with no personal wealth whatsoever! Investors don’t walk up to Carrow Road, cheque book in hand, you have to be actively and aggressively marketing the club in the right circles! I can only speculate if this is or isn’t happening! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,503 Posted December 8, 2019 Watfords big money spending is working wonders.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,520 Posted December 8, 2019 Oh for goodness sakes, why this on a day like today? We lost, isn't that enough? The sustainable model may or may not work long term, but it is a long term policy. Money does not solve all the problems and sometimes creates them. Give it a rest. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkbroadslim 223 Posted December 8, 2019 1 minute ago, lake district canary said: Oh for goodness sakes, why this on a day like today? We lost, isn't that enough? The sustainable model may or may not work long term, but it is a long term policy. Money does not solve all the problems and sometimes creates them. Give it a rest. You've changed your tune. So it may not work now!? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkbroadslim 223 Posted December 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, hogesar said: Watfords big money spending is working wonders.. And??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonncfc 28 Posted December 8, 2019 LDC ”The sustainable model may or may not work long term, but it is a long term policy. Money does not solve all the problems and sometimes creates them.” Very true, and there’s no end of examples of clubs in the Championship and below who’ve had money but it hasn’t worked. But equally I can’t think of any examples of established Premier League clubs who have succeeded without money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Angry 1,512 Posted December 8, 2019 Don't you just love it when the true fans get behind the club after a defeat? 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
City 2nd 191 Posted December 8, 2019 12 minutes ago, hogesar said: Watfords big money spending is working wonders.. Are we following the Watford model? Their big sending certainly got them a result at CR!!!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Graham Paddons Beard 2,352 Posted December 8, 2019 (edited) Self Sustainability isn’t a model. It’s a necessity born out of having owners that don’t want to /can’t put in any money . Edited December 8, 2019 by Graham Paddons Beard 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chumino 57 Posted December 8, 2019 It's working perfectly for the owners. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aggy 739 Posted December 8, 2019 What is the “failure”? The club’s stated target has been to be a self sustaining, financially secure “top 26” side. Which bit of that is doomed to fail based on our current position of being a self sustaining, financially secure side in 19th? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
City 2nd 191 Posted December 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Aggy said: What is the “failure”? The club’s stated target has been to be a self sustaining, financially secure “top 26” side. Which bit of that is doomed to fail based on our current position of being a self sustaining, financially secure side in 19th? Results certainly are a failure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aggy 739 Posted December 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, City 2nd said: Results certainly are a failure. And yet regardless of the results, we are still currently a selfsustaining, financially secure top 26 side. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Smith 2,290 Posted December 8, 2019 Set yourself a target that allows relegation and then claim you are still on track. Couldn't make it up. Relegation this season is failure, full stop. Relegation without putting up a decent fight, as looks like could be the case, is obviously more culpable than relegation after a decent effort. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canarydan23 4,060 Posted December 8, 2019 46 minutes ago, Making Plans said: There is absolutely no point in getting promotion if you are not going to give it a go. And that means spending money. I can only assume that the owners are only really happy when we are a mid table Club in the Champs with no danger of either getting promotion or being relegated. Apart from how much ****ing fun it is getting promoted. I hate the Premier League, with hindsight and given it as an option, I'd have preferred to stay down and defend our title. Wealth and good fortune with the officials are absolutely the main two influences on who wins and loses. That isn't sport. I think it's why I'm being drawn more and more to other sports like Snooker and Tennis. They reward almost only two things, hard work and talent. That's it. OK, the occasional fluke affects a frame or a game but generally the person who has trained hardest, honed their abilities and been blessed with a talent wins out. That's sport. I don't know what Premier League football is these days but it isn't sport. It's closer to WWF Wrestling than Snooker or Tennis. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary Wundaboy 1,349 Posted December 8, 2019 15 minutes ago, Graham Paddons Beard said: Self Sustainability isn’t a model. It’s a necessity born out of having owners that don’t want to /can’t put in any money . This. The only reason we’re pursuing the self-sustainable model is not because it’s the best thing for the club, but because it’s the only way we can realistically survive with Delia retaining ownership. The ambition to use this model and compete as a top 26 club will be shown to be impossible when we get relegated again and other teams in the Championship who are funded by richer owners can buy quality players we can’t stretch to and we end up unable to compete for promotion. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,503 Posted December 8, 2019 Norwich lose a match = all this self sustaining owner bashing **** comes out Norwich win a match = No one apart from Big bloody Vince the online troll can actually hold to it. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
City 2nd 191 Posted December 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Aggy said: And yet regardless of the results, we are still currently a selfsustaining, financially secure top 26 side. I won’t argue with you Aggy. You are correct. I have been watching city for 55+ years however, and whether it’s Chase, Watling or the current incumbents, nothing changes, self sustaining or not! We have been here before and likely will be again. Let’s see what model Delia and hubby comes up with next, because this isn’t their first or last idea methinks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,503 Posted December 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Canary Wundaboy said: This. The only reason we’re pursuing the self-sustainable model is not because it’s the best thing for the club, but because it’s the only way we can realistically survive with Delia retaining ownership. The ambition to use this model and compete as a top 26 club will be shown to be impossible when we get relegated again and other teams in the Championship who are funded by richer owners can buy quality players we can’t stretch to and we end up unable to compete for promotion. Fair. Apart from it's not. Because I've been told that 3 times in the last 10 years and all 3 times people saying the same as you have been wrong. Eventually you'll be right just down to volume rather than any actual ability to analyse the running and performance of a football club. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
duke63 539 Posted December 8, 2019 Quite simply, we cannot spend what we do not have. The club (and it is just a company like any other) lost £35 million last year. That has to be recovered somehow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Foggo 1,105 Posted December 8, 2019 39 minutes ago, lake district canary said: Oh for goodness sakes, why this on a day like today? We lost, isn't that enough? The sustainable model may or may not work long term, but it is a long term policy. Money does not solve all the problems and sometimes creates them. Give it a rest. I think it's a valid topic to be discussed and people should be Plowed to discuss it, so contribute or indeed. Give it a rest. Follow NCFC in the premiership is soul destroying because our model severely hampers us, IMO. Today a team that finished below us beat us because they strengthened in the summer and we did not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,585 Posted December 8, 2019 For football's sake I would love to see it succeed. People have constantly said they are sick of the obscene amounts of money sloshing around and going to people who clearly don't need or deserve it. If we can show it can be done a different way then marvellous for us and for many of the clubs drowning in debt below us. Admittedly it is extremely hard to see our team not being able to compete at the moment but breaking the cycle of spending money we haven't got, digging a big hole for ourselves and having to dig ourselves out is important. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary Wundaboy 1,349 Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, hogesar said: Fair. Apart from it's not. Because I've been told that 3 times in the last 10 years and all 3 times people saying the same as you have been wrong. Eventually you'll be right just down to volume rather than any actual ability to analyse the running and performance of a football club. The game is changing hogesar, more and more teams in the Championship are spending more and more money and they’ll be a tipping point sooner or later where we can’t compete. Let’s assume we go down this year. Players that we used to smash the Championship next year will want to leave, we’ll need to spend money to replace them, and then we’re assuming we can purchase players of the same or better quality at less money to do so. How many seasons can we afford to stay out of the EPL until we can’t compete to get back into it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Foggo 1,105 Posted December 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, hogesar said: Norwich lose a match = all this self sustaining owner bashing **** comes out Norwich win a match = No one apart from Big bloody Vince the online troll can actually hold to it. Norwich win a match - people praise Delia and co Norwich lose a match - supporters fault / its not Delia's fault I could go on but it's all a bit silly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,503 Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, Canary Wundaboy said: The game is changing hogesar, more and more teams in the Championship are spending more and more money and they’ll be a tipping point sooner or later where we can’t compete. Let’s assume we go down this year. Players that we used to smash the Championship next year will want to leave, we’ll need to spend money to replace them, and then we’re assuming we can purchase players of the same or better quality at less money to do so. How many seasons can we afford to stay out of the EPL until we can’t compete to get back into it? Yeah but it's not changing anymore than it did a year or so ago. And we still bought players despite having even less money than what we would do this time round and they still delivered, not just promotion but winning the league. Derby have spent considerable sums season on season and not made it. There will be clubs that spend big not getting promoted alongside clubs that dont spend big. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonncfc 28 Posted December 8, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, hogesar said: Yeah but it's not changing anymore than it did a year or so ago. And we still bought players despite having even less money than what we would do this time round and they still delivered, not just promotion but winning the league. Derby have spent considerable sums season on season and not made it. There will be clubs that spend big not getting promoted alongside clubs that dont spend big. But equally there are no established Premier League clubs that have succeeded without spending money. Edited December 8, 2019 by Jonncfc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites