pete 318 Posted December 2, 2019 Potter at Brighton given new 6 year contract with Brighton currently in 16th position a magnificent 3 points above the relegation spots. Reminds me of the 8 year contract given to Pardew by Newcastle how well that worked out. Dean Smith given new 4 year contract again good for him but not puling up trees despite £120m spent with more to come. According to SSN no Watford contract for Hughton shame. Crazy situation Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary Wundaboy 1,349 Posted December 2, 2019 No manager in the PL outside of a very select group of clubs is going to get anywhere close to 6 years. Brighton and Villa are not in that group. Crazy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,315 Posted December 2, 2019 Theyll end up having to pay a shoiteload to get rid of them, unless of course they do really well. Which is not beyond the bounds of possibility, but unlikely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted December 2, 2019 Or maybe they think Potter is likely to be poached so a long contract would mean a bigger buy out clause I assume. Or are Brighton being fairly sensible and saying that they have to back their judgement. Whilst I was one of those who thought Chris Hughton and Alex Neill should go, with the current philosophy, I can see no reason why DF couldn't be put on a nice long contract and told to go out and do it with no fear. Ultimately, I think coaches/managers have a life with a club just the same as players and then it is time for a change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,315 Posted December 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said: Or maybe they think Potter is likely to be poached so a long contract would mean a bigger buy out clause I assume. Or are Brighton being fairly sensible and saying that they have to back their judgement. Whilst I was one of those who thought Chris Hughton and Alex Neill should go, with the current philosophy, I can see no reason why DF couldn't be put on a nice long contract and told to go out and do it with no fear. Ultimately, I think coaches/managers have a life with a club just the same as players and then it is time for a change. I see an argument for an incremental contract, initially 2 years, if successful , extra year with increased wage and so on. Six years seems a very long time, I understand the poaching protection element but if the contract isn't performance related then the Club that offers it is putting themselves at quite a risk. Some bright spark may be able to tell us how many managers in the top flight have stayed in place for longer than five years say , since the 92/93 season. Fergie and Wenger for sure , anyone know any others? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,657 Posted December 2, 2019 Watford must be on a death wish as Big Sam and Hughton are the front runners with the bookies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feedthewolf 4,790 Posted December 2, 2019 39 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said: Watford must be on a death wish as Big Sam and Hughton are the front runners with the bookies. Hughton would probably do okay, he has a good track record in his first 18 months with clubs. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,352 Posted December 2, 2019 I don't think we want to be Watford anymore...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 4,938 Posted December 2, 2019 1 hour ago, TIL 1010 said: Watford must be on a death wish as Big Sam and Hughton are the front runners with the bookies. More like those putting bets have little idea what they're doing, not what is actually being considered by Watford. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,657 Posted December 2, 2019 23 minutes ago, Nuff Said said: More like those putting bets have little idea what they're doing, not what is actually being considered by Watford. Unless they have got wind that appointing foreign managers nobody has heard of has cost them a fortune in payoffs every few months is being reconsidered by the owners. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
splendidrush 698 Posted December 3, 2019 12 hours ago, wcorkcanary said: Some bright spark may be able to tell us how many managers in the top flight have stayed in place for longer than five years say , since the 92/93 season. Fergie and Wenger for sure , anyone know any others? Without looking it up I'll throw in Moyes at Everton and maybe Pulis at Stoke but I take your point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
All the Germans 1,070 Posted December 3, 2019 1 hour ago, splendidrush said: Without looking it up I'll throw in Moyes at Everton and maybe Pulis at Stoke but I take your point. Also without looking it up - Moyes and Pulis but also Big Sam at Bolton, Benitez at Liverpool and Redknapp at West Ham all also jump to mind. (I agree with the point of the question too). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,455 Posted December 3, 2019 23 minutes ago, All the Germans said: Also without looking it up - Moyes and Pulis but also Big Sam at Bolton, Benitez at Liverpool and Redknapp at West Ham all also jump to mind. (I agree with the point of the question too). Curbishly at Charlton would be another I'd assume. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
splendidrush 698 Posted December 3, 2019 Starting to look like quite a list, perhaps it's not as clear as we thought 🤔 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,315 Posted December 3, 2019 23 minutes ago, splendidrush said: Starting to look like quite a list, perhaps it's not as clear as we thought 🤔 Indeed, its quite surprising how many have done 5 years. I may have time to find a definitive list this evening, effing work getting in the way of football chat at the moment . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,455 Posted December 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said: Indeed, its quite surprising how many have done 5 years. I may have time to find a definitive list this evening, effing work getting in the way of football chat at the moment . I think it is still a fairly small % of the overall number to be honest. I believe Dyche and Howe have both been in post for 5 years (or at least very close to) but not all of those were in the top flight. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,315 Posted December 3, 2019 1 hour ago, king canary said: I think it is still a fairly small % of the overall number to be honest. I believe Dyche and Howe have both been in post for 5 years (or at least very close to) but not all of those were in the top flight. 👍,Some geek somewhere must have worked out a list of managerial longevity , not sure if I have the patience to be that geek. Rubbish 4G where I am today, so cant spend all lunchtime waiting for one page to load. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feedthewolf 4,790 Posted December 3, 2019 13 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said: 👍,Some geek somewhere must have worked out a list of managerial longevity , not sure if I have the patience to be that geek. Rubbish 4G where I am today, so cant spend all lunchtime waiting for one page to load. I'll be that geek. https://www.90min.com/posts/6272578-10-longest-serving-premier-league-managers Sean Dyche has now overtaken Bobby Robson to become the tenth manager to reach five unbroken years of PL service. Eddie Howe has been at Bournemouth since 2012, but has only been in the Premier League since August 2015. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted December 3, 2019 I think the five years is not a long time either. Even we did three years on the spin. Laws of probability say there must be some. Ranieri is probably the most ridiculous to have been sacked so soon and Wenger probably should have gone earlier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,315 Posted December 3, 2019 Just now, Feedthewolf said: I'll be that geek. https://www.90min.com/posts/6272578-10-longest-serving-premier-league-managers Sean Dyche has now overtaken Bobby Robson to become the tenth manager to reach five unbroken years of PL service. Eddie Howe has been at Bournemouth since 2012, but has only been in the Premier League since August 2015. Thanks Wolfo, so ten, any chance you can find out how many managers have served in the premier league? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,315 Posted December 3, 2019 Or rather, how many managerial appointments there have been. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feedthewolf 4,790 Posted December 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said: Or rather, how many managerial appointments there have been. 403. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,315 Posted December 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Feedthewolf said: 403. Ok, Cheers again Wolfo . So 10 out of 403, 1 in 40, or 2.5%. That's quite shocking to me. Football management in the Premier league has a turnover akin to Amazon warehouses/ distribution centres. Slightly better pay though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feedthewolf 4,790 Posted December 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said: Ok, Cheers again Wolfo . So 10 out of 403, 1 in 40, or 2.5%. That's quite shocking to me. Football management in the Premier league has a turnover akin to Amazon warehouses/ distribution centres. Slightly better pay though. That list does include caretaker managers, though. I just totalled up the number from each nationality at the bottom of this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Premier_League_managers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,315 Posted December 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said: That list does include caretaker managers, though. I just totalled up the number from each nationality at the bottom of this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Premier_League_managers 👍, lunchtime over, back to planting trees. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feedthewolf 4,790 Posted December 3, 2019 1 minute ago, wcorkcanary said: 👍, lunchtime over, back to planting trees. Lunchtime over, back to watching snooker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Woodman 92 Posted December 3, 2019 19 hours ago, keelansgrandad said: I can see no reason why DF couldn't be put on a nice long contract and told to go out and do it with no fear. There are 2 parties in a contract - DF might not want a long contract. I've no reason to believe he wants to leave, but if his star continues to rise, he might see himself elsewhere in two/three years, whichever division we're in. Webber wants to work in Europe in the future, he might take Daniel with him... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,315 Posted December 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Feedthewolf said: Lunchtime over, back to watching snooker. 👍🤭 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feedthewolf 4,790 Posted December 3, 2019 55 minutes ago, Woodman said: There are 2 parties in a contract - DF might not want a long contract. I've no reason to believe he wants to leave, but if his star continues to rise, he might see himself elsewhere in two/three years, whichever division we're in. Webber wants to work in Europe in the future, he might take Daniel with him... A sobering thought; losing both Webber and Farke at the same time is an eventuality that must be guarded against at all costs. It was heartening to hear Webber say this week that he'd like to be involved in finding his replacement; one can only hope he'd find us someone capable of continuing the great work he's done here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,455 Posted December 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Feedthewolf said: A sobering thought; losing both Webber and Farke at the same time is an eventuality that must be guarded against at all costs. It was heartening to hear Webber say this week that he'd like to be involved in finding his replacement; one can only hope he'd find us someone capable of continuing the great work he's done here. I wonder if he might be grooming someone like Kieran Scott to take over if he leaves- however he might actually want to take him with him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites