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Maybe they are passionate about the club and only want the best for the club and believe we need to step on with more wealthy owners to sustain premier league status.

After nine games, I think there is no reason for the same old criticism. We are not entitled to be in the EPL. So what would be next after new owners? New ground? 
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On 21/10/2019 at 14:28, Nuff Said said:

As a Remainer, I'm proud to say that Delia is the (joint) owner of my club.

If you're not, well you probably don't agree with a lot of what Sheik Mansur and his lot get up to at home, but I doubt you would turn them down if they wanted to buy NCFC.

 

I'm also proud that my club has got to where it is by doing things the right way, investing for the long-term, shopping for talent wisely, contributing to the wider community and playing entertaining football on top of all that.

This for me, and only this.

One might even say: 'Nuff Said'

 

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1 hour ago, Dr Greenthumb said:

Maybe they are passionate about the club and only want the best for the club and believe we need to step on with more wealthy owners to sustain premier league status.

The idea that simply more wealthy owners would result in us retaining our Premier League Status is a tad naive..

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18 hours ago, Capt. Pants said:

The Premier League bubble will burst one day and when that happens these "rich" foreign owners will seek to invest elsewhere leaving God knows what of a shambles behind them. And when that happens the fallout in the lower leagues will be immense too. We are in a very good position.

We are doing the right thing in the right way. Personally I have no desire to be a supporter of a rich club with no soul, no identity and a stadium full of tourists. I'm quite happy with the direction we are taking. That doesn't mean that there can't be a balance between spending £750k and £15m to strengthen the squad but that's another issue.

Amen to that!

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2 hours ago, hogesar said:

The idea that simply more wealthy owners would result in us retaining our Premier League Status is a tad naive..

As is the idea that it would not improve our chances. 

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2 hours ago, hogesar said:

The idea that simply more wealthy owners would result in us retaining our Premier League Status is a tad naive..

How many relegations do we have under the skint ones?

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32 minutes ago, Jim Smith said:

As is the idea that it would not improve our chances. 

That is just soooo wrong.

That theory only works if our present owners were to become richer.

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How many relegations do we have under the skint ones?

Only mentioning relegations doesn't improve your argument one iota. We currently stand with more promotions than relegations.

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3 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

How many relegations do we have under the skint ones?

Only mentioning relegations doesn't improve your argument one iota. We currently stand with more promotions than relegations.

Good plan, let’s keep getting relegated and promoted. At least you keep your +1! Also, this is a discussion, Not an argument. My opinion is just as valid as yours. 

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Good plan, let’s keep getting relegated and promoted. At least you keep your +1! Also, this is a discussion, Not an argument. My opinion is just as valid as yours. 

Indeed it is. And any point is valid. But just to criticise the owners when we haven't been relegated yet just doesn't make sense to me.
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59 minutes ago, nutty nigel said:

That is just soooo wrong.

That theory only works if our present owners were to become richer.

Sorry Nutty, so the only thing that would improve our chances of staying up is to keep the same owners but make them richer. Any other owners, even if richer would see us have less chance?

I'm sorry but that just strikes me as nonsense. Its entirely possible that any such owners would run the club better or just as well as the current owners as well as being richer and thus helping us compete financially. Its certainly not inevitable that they would run the club worse than our current owners which seems to be the claim blindly accepted by many. 

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3 hours ago, hogesar said:

The idea that simply more wealthy owners would result in us retaining our Premier League Status is a tad naive..

 

1 hour ago, Jim Smith said:

As is the idea that it would not improve our chances. 


There’s absolutely no proof that simply having an owner with a bigger wallet than Delia would improve our chances. There are so many other factors that come into play when it comes to retaining a place in the Premier League, or any league for that matter, so with respect Jim, your statement is not correct.

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Its certainly not inevitable that they would run the club worse than our current owners which seems to be the claim blindly accepted by many. 

Of course it isn't. I doubt there isn't a supporter who would be delighted if a super rich, decent owner came on board.
But after nine games, is it really valid to question the owners, particularly when some are short on praise when we are promoted.

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35 minutes ago, Jim Smith said:

Sorry Nutty, so the only thing that would improve our chances of staying up is to keep the same owners but make them richer. Any other owners, even if richer would see us have less chance?

I'm sorry but that just strikes me as nonsense. Its entirely possible that any such owners would run the club better or just as well as the current owners as well as being richer and thus helping us compete financially. Its certainly not inevitable that they would run the club worse than our current owners which seems to be the claim blindly accepted by many. 

No. But you just assume that under different owners we'd have the same club but more money and do better. There is no basis whatsoever for that. Absolutely nothing but pie in the sky. As I said earlier, most of these investor owners haven't achieved for their clubs what our owners have achieved with ours. Let alone done better.

 

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3 minutes ago, nutty nigel said:

No. But you just assume that under different owners we'd have the same club but more money and do better. There is no basis whatsoever for that. Absolutely nothing but pie in the sky. As I said earlier, most of these investor owners haven't achieved for their clubs what our owners have achieved with ours. Let alone done better.

 

Can’t see how anyone can argue with that, Eddie, regardless of their opinion of whom they think should be running the club 👍🏼

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23 minutes ago, nutty nigel said:

No. But you just assume that under different owners we'd have the same club but more money and do better. There is no basis whatsoever for that. Absolutely nothing but pie in the sky. As I said earlier, most of these investor owners haven't achieved for their clubs what our owners have achieved with ours. Let alone done better.

 

I’m clearly outed as a Delia fan boy, but the worst the current owners can be accused of is relative poverty and a hands-off approach (acknowledged that for some it’s too hands-off at times). The chances are that any stinking rich investors, Chinese or otherwise, would want to play with their new train set and meddle with we’ve got. I think the chances are that this would not help our current setup.

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8 hours ago, Dr Greenthumb said:

Maybe they are passionate about the club and only want the best for the club and believe we need to step on with more wealthy owners to sustain premier league status.

Maybe equally passionate people think we ought to try this self funded way first, we've cleared debts, overhauled colney , secured our players on long term contracts AND been promoted. This could work out just fine without a SRCI. Or even without an SRI of any nationality. Just imagine the pride we would feel if we did stabilise in the Premier League...off our own back, no one looking to asset strip or try to dictate transfer or team policy except people employed by the club to do just that. I'd rather be Ajax than Man United that's for sure.

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1 hour ago, wcorkcanary said:

Maybe equally passionate people think we ought to try this self funded way first, we've cleared debts, overhauled colney , secured our players on long term contracts AND been promoted. This could work out just fine without a SRCI. Or even without an SRI of any nationality. Just imagine the pride we would feel if we did stabilise in the Premier League...off our own back, no one looking to asset strip or try to dictate transfer or team policy except people employed by the club to do just that. I'd rather be Ajax than Man United that's for sure.

I agree, but the problem is, how many clubs are bankrolled in Ajax’s league. I would rather have owners with no money and a success story. But if we are relegated again. Surely questions need to be asked.

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4 hours ago, keelansgrandad said:

Good plan, let’s keep getting relegated and promoted. At least you keep your +1! Also, this is a discussion, Not an argument. My opinion is just as valid as yours. 

Indeed it is. And any point is valid. But just to criticise the owners when we haven't been relegated yet just doesn't make sense to me.

It’s not about the relegation with me, it’s the fact that we seem to get there and never progress on it! That is criticism for the owners.

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4 minutes ago, Dr Greenthumb said:

I agree, but the problem is, how many clubs are bankrolled in Ajax’s league. I would rather have owners with no money and a success story. But if we are relegated again. Surely questions need to be asked.

 

3 minutes ago, Dr Greenthumb said:

It’s not about the relegation with me, it’s the fact that we seem to get there and never progress on it! That is criticism for the owners.

Is it or is it not about  relegation,  you don't seem sure.

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It’s not about the relegation with me, it’s the fact that we seem to get there and never progress on it! That is criticism for the owners.

But is it reasonable, for any club, to keep asking its owners to bankroll success. I guess for us that would be staying in the EPL this season. But that is not going to be easy. We will see how Villa and Sheffield United cope. Chances are at least one of the promoted sides will stay up.

And we still have the January window to come and I doubt we will be relegated by then.

 

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The same owners supported Alex Neil to the hilt in our previous brief visit to the Premier League and look where that got them. A squad full of over-priced over-paid dung players. Even Webber criticised it. They won't be making that mistake again.

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On 21/10/2019 at 13:35, Big Vince said:

You are very, very misguided as to what owning a football club is supposed to be all about. It is supposed to be for the fans, not something to be kept in the family. Otherwise, why should fans bother to turn up every week? You are saying fans are simply waiting for the boy Tom to take over and have no aspiration to achieve anything on the pitch. Delia is selfish. At least Sir Arthur knew when it was time to step down as he was a man of the people. And look at the golden era his act ushered in. Delia has so much to learn. 

You should be careful Big D before you have an aneurism. Nothing tests the patience more than sifting through the mental drivel of someone who is in the throws of a tantrum.

And, once you’ve caught your breath, please post a link to the football club OWNER’S manual where it states that a football club operates for the fans.

Okay, let me see if I can make the bread crumbs small enough so you don’t choke before your ‘aha’ moment.

First, I really enjoy eating in 2nd & 3rd generation, family run restaurants. The same, if not more so is true with vineyards. And do you know what? The customers (fans of the food and wine) keep going back to eat and drink more. Why? Because they like it. My point being, you’re not making sense when it comes to talking about how a business should be run.

Second, it is my understanding that the Premier League and the Football league operate in what is referred to as a ‘capitalism’ system. Do you know what that is, or should I ask Oxford again? I ask because you do that thing that foolish people do when the validity of their logic and talking points are shown to be false; you ignore the new details and continue with your self-reinforcing idiocy. Anyway, capitalism, so, it may come as a shock to you, but in a capitalist society MONEY comes first. Yes, you need fans (customers) but the Delia isn’t going to die broke trying to keep NCFC in the Premier League. Get it? Also, Carrow road is virtually full EVERY week, with a strong traveling support (shout out to you folks), so my guess is Delia is running her business, the way she wants to.

AND....NCFC are playing some phenomenally attractive football.  

We fans (customers) have the choice to spend our money (financial incremental investment for the exchange of goods or services) with the club at the level we are each capable and comfortable with. (At this time I will not break down the dynamics of  the emotional and time commitments, since those are different forms of ‘exchange’.) So, fans (customers) CHOOSE to spend their money at NCFC, because they ENJOY it. 

Get it?

No? Okay. So if YOU are not enjoying it...

Thus endith the short version. Why only the short version? Because I’ve learned that you can’t explain to stupid.
 

Do you actually think Delia is a charity case? She’s a successful and rich business women who has created something that she is able to pass down to the next generation of her family. If you can’t respect that, then I would hazard a guess that it is in fact you, Big Diddley Squat, that is the socialist at heart.

Go on, search your feelings....it’s okay to admit that you have socialist and communist tendencies and to come out of your closet. After all, thou dost seem to protest too much! Go on Little Rocket Man, own it.....

The silver lining here is that your arrogance is a beacon to the younger generation of what not to become. 

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12 hours ago, Capt. Pants said:

The same owners supported Alex Neil to the hilt in our previous brief visit to the Premier League and look where that got them. A squad full of over-priced over-paid dung players. Even Webber criticised it. They won't be making that mistake again.

They hardly "backed him to the hilt" unless by that you mean not spending the money/improving the squad as we should have done in the summer and then panic buying a player we didn't need and who turned out to be no better than a pub player in January. Stephen Naismith and "doing a Fulham" now appear to be the new mantra for those who just unquestionably accept repeated failure to stay in the premier league time after time.

And before people start I know we haven;t failed to stay in the premier league yet, I hope we don't fail and I do believe we have the talent in our squad to stay up if we start to get a bit more good fortune with the injuries. I do not accept, however, the premise that having owners with more resources does not make a difference to your chances of staying up (good owner plus cash will nearly always trump good owner with no cash in my view) and ultimately remaining in the premier league for a few years and growing the club further whilst avoiding this boom/bust promotion and relegation cycle.

That's really my point. i'm not calling for Delia out because I know its not going to happen but that doesn't mean I won't find it incredibly frustrating if our inability to compete financially means we go down again this season because ultimately I think we should be aiming to stay in the top division for a decent period of time not treat it as some kind of jolly every couple of years and shrug our shoulders when we get relegated. I also don;t share the general view that if we go down we will come back stronger. It often doesn't work like that and with this team in particular its clear to anyone with a bit of common sense that it will get broken up in the summer if we go down.

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So an owner with no experience of football trump's an owner with 20 years experience if they happen to have more money.

If you needed advice which one would you go ask?

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Question for Jimbo

How do our owners continually get promoted when the likes of Leeds, Forest, Derby, Birmingham, Ipswich, Sheffield Weds, QPR, Reading, Blackburn, Sunderland etc can't?

If they're all bad owners what are the chances we'd get a good one? 

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1 hour ago, Jim Smith said:

They hardly "backed him to the hilt" unless by that you mean not spending the money/improving the squad as we should have done in the summer and then panic buying a player we didn't need and who turned out to be no better than a pub player in January. Stephen Naismith and "doing a Fulham" now appear to be the new mantra for those who just unquestionably accept repeated failure to stay in the premier league time after time.

And before people start I know we haven;t failed to stay in the premier league yet, I hope we don't fail and I do believe we have the talent in our squad to stay up if we start to get a bit more good fortune with the injuries. I do not accept, however, the premise that having owners with more resources does not make a difference to your chances of staying up (good owner plus cash will nearly always trump good owner with no cash in my view) and ultimately remaining in the premier league for a few years and growing the club further whilst avoiding this boom/bust promotion and relegation cycle.

That's really my point. i'm not calling for Delia out because I know its not going to happen but that doesn't mean I won't find it incredibly frustrating if our inability to compete financially means we go down again this season because ultimately I think we should be aiming to stay in the top division for a decent period of time not treat it as some kind of jolly every couple of years and shrug our shoulders when we get relegated. I also don;t share the general view that if we go down we will come back stronger. It often doesn't work like that and with this team in particular its clear to anyone with a bit of common sense that it will get broken up in the summer if we go down.

Yet again, we see this nonsensical argument trotted out where posters ascribe bad decisions to the board/owners and good fortune to the manager. Delia DID NOT buy Naismith, Neil and McNally chose to. Delia does not plan our transfer business, the manager/sporting director/coach/whatever they’re called do. The board are unusually hands-off and have shown repeatedly that they give our managers plenty of time to prove themselves when with other owners they would have been sacked weeks if not months before.

 

I don’t disagree with your point that good owner plus cash trumps good owner without cash. Where we differ is the ease of finding a good owner.

 

And on the view of promotion as a “jolly” - I think Webber would point out that he has said many times that his view is over several years. Relegation would be a setback, but over the long-term it has to be viewed as one step back while we are making two steps forward. 

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6 minutes ago, Nuff Said said:

Yet again, we see this nonsensical argument trotted out where posters ascribe bad decisions to the board/owners and good fortune to the manager. Delia DID NOT buy Naismith, Neil and McNally chose to. Delia does not plan our transfer business, the manager/sporting director/coach/whatever they’re called do. The board are unusually hands-off and have shown repeatedly that they give our managers plenty of time to prove themselves when with other owners they would have been sacked weeks if not months before.

Yes this is how I see the whole Neil situation too. He was backed by the board as much as he could be, just he and McNally wasted the opportunities given to them. Delia and co didn't decide not to sign a central defender in that summer, nor did they bring in Naismith or Pritchard or Wildschutt. 

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2 hours ago, Nuff Said said:

Yet again, we see this nonsensical argument trotted out where posters ascribe bad decisions to the board/owners and good fortune to the manager. Delia DID NOT buy Naismith, Neil and McNally chose to. Delia does not plan our transfer business, the manager/sporting director/coach/whatever they’re called do. The board are unusually hands-off and have shown repeatedly that they give our managers plenty of time to prove themselves when with other owners they would have been sacked weeks if not months before.

 

I don’t disagree with your point that good owner plus cash trumps good owner without cash. Where we differ is the ease of finding a good owner.

 

And on the view of promotion as a “jolly” - I think Webber would point out that he has said many times that his view is over several years. Relegation would be a setback, but over the long-term it has to be viewed as one step back while we are making two steps forward. 

Where did I say Delia was responsible for buying Naismith? The point I was making was that one bad purchase (or more pertinently stupid contract dished out indeed by Mcnally during his crisis phase where he seemed to lose his judgment) does not mean we should never take a calculated gamble and spend a bit of money to stay in the premier league again as some people seem to believe/advocate. 

Webber saying his "plan" is over several years is hugely convenient really because relegation can be regarded as "part of the plan" rather than a failure. The target and plan should be premier league survival, not at any cost but doing absolutely everything we can to achieve it. How on earth do we propose to take "2 steps forward" after getting relegated because at best we might get promoted again and end up exactly back where we are now? And if that happens we certainly won't come up with a better side than we have at the moment because once one of these youngsters gets sold they will all be off. At worst we get stuck back down in the championship again. 

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4 hours ago, nutty nigel said:

So an owner with no experience of football trump's an owner with 20 years experience if they happen to have more money.

If you needed advice which one would you go ask?

Well Delia herself has freely admitted on many occasions that they don't really have a clue about running the club - this is why, I would suggest, our periods of "success" (although I don't really regard us getting promoted under Neil with the team we had as a success, as enjoyable as it was) have tended to coincide with good quality people being brought to run the club.

So I suppose the only advice I would take from them is to make sure you get a good CEO/Director of Football. I would venture to suggest that a wealthy owner is just as capable of doing that as a poor one. 

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