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Awful day for us, but then that is football in the premier league......on a good day you can beat the champions, on a bad day you can be found out.  Brighton beat Spurs 3-0 today.....it's that kind of league.

We'll be back, we'll get the injury situation better as time goes on, we'll put in some good performances and pick up points - probably in the least expected places.

So as the title says, take the medicine from today and move on.  It's a tough league so keep your toys in the pram, just forget it and move on. There are better days ahead.

 

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It’s disappointing to see such a one-sided scoreline against a team that were below us at the start of the day and who came up with us last season. I think that’s the emotion that’s presenting itself.

It also adds fuel to the fire that we are struggling because we haven’t spent any money. Villa spent 150m and while you may argue that there wasn’t much between the teams today the only thing that matters is the scoreline and that was a chasm after 90 mins.

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8 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

Awful day for us, but then that is football in the premier league......on a good day you can beat the champions, on a bad day you can be found out.  Brighton beat Spurs 3-0 today.....it's that kind of league.

We'll be back, we'll get the injury situation better as time goes on, we'll put in some good performances and pick up points - probably in the least expected places.

So as the title says, take the medicine from today and move on.  It's a tough league so keep your toys in the pram, just forget it and move on. There are better days ahead.

 

There can’t be many worse days!! Thank heavens we weren’t playing a decent side today! The problem we have is those KEY players that could change things won’t be back for some time. We desperately need Zimmerman but that’s January at the earliest. Other than him and the keepers and Hernandez I’m not sure anyone else is anything other than like for like

 

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I fully support us building a team of free agents and bargain basement gems.

But not filling the 25 man squad is unforgivable... even if it were 2 more loans.

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DF-

"We had to play today without 10 players. There were also so many players on the pitch who not able to train and had painkillers because we had no other options. Two or three key players didn't have the best game and if this comes together you will not be competitive."

Everyone knows about the injuries but to be clear, we are not simply missing players. We are playing players who ordinarily wouldn't be playing themselves. Bad result but ultimately this is what can happen when you play in this league in these circumstances.

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10 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

Awful day for us, but then that is football in the premier league......on a good day you can beat the champions, on a bad day you can be found out.  Brighton beat Spurs 3-0 today.....it's that kind of league.

We'll be back, we'll get the injury situation better as time goes on, we'll put in some good performances and pick up points - probably in the least expected places.

So as the title says, take the medicine from today and move on.  It's a tough league so keep your toys in the pram, just forget it and move on. There are better days ahead.

 

I agree with most of this - we have to take the medicin, learn and move on. My only dissapointment is that defensively we don't seem to learn from our mistakes.

 

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3 minutes ago, ThorpeCanary said:

DF-

"We had to play today without 10 players. There were also so many players on the pitch who not able to train and had painkillers because we had no other options. Two or three key players didn't have the best game and if this comes together you will not be competitive."

Everyone knows about the injuries but to be clear, we are not simply missing players. We are playing players who ordinarily wound't be playing themselves. Bad result but ultimately this is what can happen when you play in this league in these circumstances.

Makes you wonder what is causing all these injuries (players out, having to play with injured players)?  It can't just be coincidence.

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Agree with you LDC. 

In honesty, I was feeling pretty disappointed from the start today, I cannot believe that was the same stadium and crowd that we had for the Man City game. The atmosphere was terrible and I'm not too sure why.

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Bad day, OK. Long term injuries to key players and others playing despite injuries. Check. 

But nobody is talking about the real reason. It’s the kit. I knew as soon as they rolled that green monstrosity out we were as good as relegated.  

So there I have said it, ditch the kit and we can start our recovery.

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7 minutes ago, ThorpeCanary said:

DF-

"We had to play today without 10 players. There were also so many players on the pitch who not able to train and had painkillers because we had no other options. Two or three key players didn't have the best game and if this comes together you will not be competitive."

Everyone knows about the injuries but to be clear, we are not simply missing players. We are playing players who ordinarily wound't be playing themselves. Bad result but ultimately this is what can happen when you play in this league in these circumstances.

That's all well and good. Its actually 9 players out injured.

 But only 1 of those is a forward (Onel), and yet we can't bury chances at the minute. 

And whilst we've got 9 players injured, the most in the league, there is one with 7 injuries, two with 6 injuries, and two with 5 injuries.

And its worse for us because most of those have named 25 players. 

So ours is 9 out of 23, which isn't 2 injuries worse than 7 out of 25..... its 4 worse. 

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14 minutes ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

I fully support us building a team of free agents and bargain basement gems.

But not filling the 25 man squad is unforgivable... even if it were 2 more loans.

 

6 minutes ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

And its worse for us because most of those have named 25 players. 

So ours is 9 out of 23, which isn't 2 injuries worse than 7 out of 25..... its 4 worse. 

Only three sides in the division have a 25-man squad, and they are Watford, Newcastle and Sheffield United. Two of those are the only sides below us, so I don't think it gives a huge advantage.

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18 minutes ago, JF said:

There can’t be many worse days!! Thank heavens we weren’t playing a decent side today! The problem we have is those KEY players that could change things won’t be back for some time. We desperately need Zimmerman but that’s January at the earliest. Other than him and the keepers and Hernandez I’m not sure anyone else is anything other than like for like

 

Vrancic and Trybull over that “midfield” today. Maclean was still running on a hangover 

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As for the topic at hand, we're in the same boat as several other teams: very inconsistent with some poor performances mixed with some fantastic ones. Therefore we shouldn't overreact when we have a brilliant win and we shouldn't overreact after a terrible defeat.

As a result, it's a very wide open relegation battle and we're one of nine teams in the battle, in my opinion.

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I agree the atmosphere was absolutely awful today from the first whistle. A bit concerning as the fans are going to be huge for us in big games such as today.

The lack of options available is even more concerning. While that isnt entirely the fault of recruitment due to this injury crisis, football is a squad game and many of the rotation players didn't look up to it today at home to relegation candidates.

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Just now, Dr Greenthumb said:

Vrancic and Trybull over that “midfield” today. Maclean was still running on a hangover 

Yeah I’m sure they will get their chance but I’m not sure the outcome will be massively different. I’m hoping that if Zimmerman were back that Armadou may shore up that midfield and protect the defence but again it may just be more of the same 

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Just now, JF said:

Yeah I’m sure they will get their chance but I’m not sure the outcome will be massively different. I’m hoping that if Zimmerman were back that Armadou may shore up that midfield and protect the defence but again it may just be more of the same 

Vrancic is much better than McLean and trybull is a good defensive mid, who can pass sideways(like leitner)

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5 minutes ago, Flying Dutchman said:

Agree with you LDC. 

In honesty, I was feeling pretty disappointed from the start today, I cannot believe that was the same stadium and crowd that we had for the Man City game. The atmosphere was terrible and I'm not too sure why.

I wasn't there, but I can imagine there would be more tension at a game like this where people were thinking (incorrectly imo) that we should beat Villa than the Man City game where expectations were (again incorrectly imo) low.  The evidence in this league is that every team has the players to hurt any other team - if you are not on it 100% you will struggle.  We have too many players out injured, the bubble has burst - temporarily - and it will take a while to get back to where we were, but you don't lose the season in October and there is plenty of time to get back to our best.

If the fans were not up for it like the last home game, then they need to ask themselves why and try and be up for the next one.

 

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4 minutes ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

 

Only three sides in the division have a 25-man squad, and they are Watford, Newcastle and Sheffield United. Two of those are the only sides below us, so I don't think it gives a huge advantage.

You are missing the point mate.

I probably won't ever have a kitchen fire, but I still have a fire extinguisher in my kitchen and home insurance. Just in case I do have a kitchen fire.

If my neighbours tell me that they don't have a fire extinguisher or home insurance because "it will probably never happen", I'm not going to cancel my home insurance and sell my fire extinguisher.

If they get a fire its their problem. If I get a fire its my problem. 

How many players Aston Villa have in their squad is irrelevant to our injury crisis. 

We've already had this conversation by the way Wacky and I'd determined that 3 out of 4 squads I checked had 5 natural centre backs registered. 

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1 minute ago, Dr Greenthumb said:

Vrancic is much better than McLean and trybull is a good defensive mid, who can pass sideways(like leitner)

Agreed but my main concern is how lightweight all the midfield options are. We are being brushed of the ball easily and I don’t see any options that won’t. We’re coming up against physically strong players that can play football, it’s a whole different ball game to the championship 

 

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I agree the lack of physicality and defensive midfielder was very apparent today. Grealish seemed to get a free reign at times in the gap between our midfield and the back four.

Amadou had a very poor game today, but it will be interesting to see how he could do in his favoured position.

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But surely the OP should be bitterly disappointed about the defeat and think it’s simply not acceptable. After all, that was his view before the Manchester City game.

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Just now, TeemuVanBasten said:

You are missing the point mate.

I probably won't ever have a kitchen fire, but I still have a fire extinguisher in my kitchen and home insurance. Just in case I do have a kitchen fire.

If my neighbours tell me that they don't have a fire extinguisher or home insurance because "it will probably never happen", I'm not going to cancel my home insurance and sell my fire extinguisher.

If they get a fire its their problem. If I get a fire its my problem. 

How many players Aston Villa have in their squad is irrelevant to our injury crisis. 

We've already had this conversation by the way Wacky and I'd determined that 3 out of 4 squads I checked had 5 natural centre backs registered. 

I was getting at the fact that you said 'most' Premier League teams have a 25-man squad when it's only three, but let's move on.

I see your point of view, but there are positives and negatives to it. If you name a 25-man squad then you're using your budget to bring in quantity over quality, and unless you get really unlucky with an injury crisis then you'll have several players earning money doing diddly squat and getting restless, which does squad harmony no favours. 

Yeah, we could've had a fifth specialist centre back but hindsight is a wonderful thing. Had we signed another one and nobody got injured then we'd be moaning that Hanley and whoever the fifth centre back was were just hanging around talking up wages that could've been used elsewhere.

I just don't think that the fact that we didn't name 25 players in our squad is the biggest problem we're facing right now.

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3 minutes ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

I was getting at the fact that you said 'most' Premier League teams have a 25-man squad when it's only three, but let's move on.

I see your point of view, but there are positives and negatives to it. If you name a 25-man squad then you're using your budget to bring in quantity over quality, and unless you get really unlucky with an injury crisis then you'll have several players earning money doing diddly squat and getting restless, which does squad harmony no favours. 

Yeah, we could've had a fifth specialist centre back but hindsight is a wonderful thing. Had we signed another one and nobody got injured then we'd be moaning that Hanley and whoever the fifth centre back was were just hanging around talking up wages that could've been used elsewhere.

I just don't think that the fact that we didn't name 25 players in our squad is the biggest problem we're facing right now.

In the whole Premier League there are 9 players out with a groin injury. 

Its a bit weird that 3 of them are at Norwich City.

Clearly we're doing something wrong somewhere.

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Just now, TeemuVanBasten said:

In the whole Premier League there are 9 players out with a groin injury. 

Its a bit weird that 3 of them are at Norwich City.

Clearly we're doing something wrong somewhere.

That's a completely different argument and it's probably impossible to reach a conclusion as to whether it's our training methods or pure bad luck.

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Just now, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

That's a completely different argument and it's probably impossible to reach a conclusion as to whether it's our training methods or pure bad luck.

Its not really, its on topic, you just used the words "really unlucky", and I'm not convinced that this is the case at all.

Perhaps we've pushed the players too far. The fact that we've started the exact same front 4 every game this season is weird enough, I wonder whether any other sides have done that?

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The injuries are a huge blow and yes we can use it as a big mitigating factor - we have no way of playing the way we truly want without the necessary players. A Tettey, Trybull or indeed Amadou in there today and you suspect it would have been a much different game. Also, we missed Krul’s leadership. McGovern played well but he wasn’t comfortable playing it out, so that was another blow to our game. If you were to take Ederson out of the Man City team it would have an adverse effect on them too. I’m convinced we would’ve won today with the right personnel.

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20 minutes ago, Hoola Han Solo said:

But surely the OP should be bitterly disappointed about the defeat and think it’s simply not acceptable. After all, that was his view before the Manchester City game.

I don't view any defeat as "acceptable".  With the Man City game what got to me was the idea that it's alright to lose to a club because they are Man City.  That just gives too much respect to an opponent club. 

In my mind today was going to be the harder game - and I said as much in the run up to the Man City game.  In some ways there was more at stake today - against another promoted club....but then you look at their spend and the kind of players they have brought in and then you look at our injury list....you can see the problem. 

Imo we need to try and treat all the games like the Man City game - as if all our opponents are as good as they are - because quite simply all teams have players that can hurt us.  To win we have to put in a Man City kind of performance every week....and the fans have to buy in to that too....I've seen too much "we should beat villa", "how could we lose to that lot" etc......totally unrealistic.

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