Jump to content
TIL 1010

Stadium Expansion Latest.

Recommended Posts

We still own the land between the pitch and the hotel itself I think, don't we? Assuming we could take down the screen for a couple of seasons (Never needed it before a few years ago, I'm sure we'll cope again) Could we not put up some kind of temporary seating in that corner infill space right in front of the hotel? Admittedly it would have to be at an extremely steep rake so people were almost sitting on top of one another but could potentially be feasible for a season or two to take some of the ST holders relocated from the South Stand?  

Another thought, How long would it actually take to replace the South Stand? Hypothetically could we not design something that could be prefabricated offsite and brought in in sections essentially already built and just needing to be bolted together? This kind of approach is regularly used in China and elsewhere to construct buildings fast... If we went down that route and asked the FA for special dispensation for the last few games of one season to be away from home and no Home games until after the September international break the following season, that could give us 4-5 months to get it completed - Potentially do this 2 seasons in a row, replacing the existing structure in the first season and adding a second tier the following summer? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

After today it would be risky to sink millions into expanding into a load of empty seats. If we were an established PL team then maybe, but we are well away from that. We need to invest in those that cross the white line before we even contemplate this.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

A few years ago Alan Bowkett said that due to the ageing nature of the City stand, it would be better to knock it down and build a new stand rather than putting an upper tier on it. I agree as the 1986 built City stand is now showing its age and has very limited leg room compared to even the Barclay stand where most fans stand anyway!

 

David Mcnally wanted to put a temporary stand in front of the Hotel a few years ago but the Hotel wouldn't let him do it for some crazy reason cause surely a bigger capacity at Carrow Road would mean more potential for increased revenues at the Hotel?

 

I've always thought that it would be better to put an upper tier on the South Stand cause this could possibly take place without any reduction to the present capacity. But an upper tier would need to have non footballing income streams to make it viable as a poor run of form would see no demand for extra seats.

 

Yes I remember when the River End was the shiny new stand and fans nicknamed it the Kevin Reeves stand cause its widely thought that his sale helped to pay for it. The old River End terrace when demolished in 1979 like the old South stand in 2003 had by then long before reached its sell by date cause lots of money was needed to improve the facilities to keep up with improving ground regulations and both had no other streams of income. To summarise, they were both neccessary projects.

The 1992 demolition of the original Barclay end was again a neccessity as bolting seats onto the old stand would of been highly non practical cause facitlities would of been poor and again it would of offered no other streams of income. The new Barclay end was largely funded by Football League grants which was why the project was completed in 1992 rather than a couple of years later.

 

Continued Premiership membership over 3 or more seasons is probably the only way a major expansion will happen at Carrow Road, although last years successful, oversubscribed Colney Bond scheme shows theres potential down that route?

The club has needed a 30-35,000 capacity Carrow Road for a number of seasons now. This was evident yesterday when I went to the ticket office and most of the people in the que were hanging around waiting for tickets to become available from people unable to attend. I'm sure that in present times even with a 32,000 capacity stadium we'd still be selling out every home game?

 

 

Edited by kingsway

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sometime back I believe it was discussed to rebuild the city stand in the Chinese fashion.   Build the new stand off site and assemble it during the close season.  No need to worry about displacing season ticket holders.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 06/10/2019 at 16:26, Making Plans said:

Apparently he's now worthless

I wonder if Rio Ferdinand has stopped trying to unsettle him now he's injured, oh and worthless.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 06/10/2019 at 15:57, Surfbird said:

Sometime back I believe it was discussed to rebuild the city stand in the Chinese fashion.   Build the new stand off site and assemble it during the close season.  No need to worry about displacing season ticket holders.

It can be done welly quick:-

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/30/chinese-construction-firm-erects-57-storey-skyscraper-in-19-days

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

48 minutes ago, BroadstairsR said:

interesting, thanks

however,  the groundworks and preparation for the superstructure still took 6 months, and there was another 4 months for the finishes

https://www.bdcnetwork.com/asia’s-modular-miracle

Edited by How I Wrote Elastic Man
link added

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I’m pretty sure I read that we can’t put anything in front of the hotel as that is the only place that emergency vehicles can access the pitch.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, Willmeister said:

I’m pretty sure I read that we can’t put anything in front of the hotel as that is the only place that emergency vehicles can access the pitch.

Correct.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It would be a complete waste of money and extremely short-sighted if any new building work does not take the capacity up to at least 35,000. That means any new City Stand would have to have 8,000 more seats than the existing one. You surely wouldn't go and spend £30m just to raise the capacity by just 4,000. And with so many thousands of home members locked out every game (and that's before you factor in any general sale punters) it would be the height of stupidity to go for a small increase in capacity. I am sure that it was McNasty's plan to get the capacity up to 35,000 with a new City Stand, but the current regime appears to have back-tracked from that, so the club needs to have its feet held to the fire on this one.

Just typical of Delia to think small. She really ought to go and own a village club like Paulton Rovers.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This is still my favourite...

  On 31/07/2018 at 18:42, Big Vince said:

It is generally accepted that the Canary Board were mightily impressed with that Huddersfield Town display at Carrow Road two years'' ago.

Considering how Norwich were EPL the year before, how could they be played off the park with such high intensity by a club like Huddersfield? This was a fair question for the Board to ponder. However, having done their pondering they reached entirely the wrong conclusion. They concluded that it was a little known boy behind the scenes who was the inspiration behind Huddersfield. That boy, as we all know now, is the boy Webber.

How wrong they were! The beauty of hindsight is that the Suffolk Socialists can once again be proved to be no good. It is obvious now that Huddersfield''s success has been due to the money put in by the boy Hoyte and the philosophy and methods of the boy Wagner. Webber did not pull off any masterstroke in finding Wagner. Going to Dortmund to hire your coaches is not the magic formula for success in football. Webber simply got lucky. Wagner''s methods and Farke''s methods are completely different. Where Wagner has worked, Farke has failed.

But for some reason, that night under the lights at Carrow Road unleashed a chain of events that saw the end of the role of chief executive and the identification of Stuart Webber as the new Messiah who was going to wave all kinds of magic wands in a newly created role of sporting director. The Canary public and Archant bought into all the hype and so last season kicked off with the Webberlution as the latest buzz word.

The misplaced feel-good factor quickly evaporated as we were served up some of the direst football in living memory. There were murmurings in some quarters that even Lol Morgan was better than Farke. Pre-season has shown that Farke has not changed his spots at all and we now go into another season employing the same methods as before, but somehow expecting a different outcome.

Maybe Huddersfield knew something we didn''t, as surely they would have fought nail and tooth to keep this messianic figure that we fell for line, hook and stinker.

Of course I would never in a million years expect this Board to learn any lessons, but for the record, they are:

1. Don''t make assumptions about other teams'' success.

2. It is not a foregone conclusion that Borussia Dortmund football club is littered with all the jewels for success in the Championship.

 

 

 

  • Haha 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, nutty nigel said:

This is still my favourite...

  On 31/07/2018 at 18:42, Big Vince said:

It is generally accepted that the Canary Board were mightily impressed with that Huddersfield Town display at Carrow Road two years'' ago.

Considering how Norwich were EPL the year before, how could they be played off the park with such high intensity by a club like Huddersfield? This was a fair question for the Board to ponder. However, having done their pondering they reached entirely the wrong conclusion. They concluded that it was a little known boy behind the scenes who was the inspiration behind Huddersfield. That boy, as we all know now, is the boy Webber.

How wrong they were! The beauty of hindsight is that the Suffolk Socialists can once again be proved to be no good. It is obvious now that Huddersfield''s success has been due to the money put in by the boy Hoyte and the philosophy and methods of the boy Wagner. Webber did not pull off any masterstroke in finding Wagner. Going to Dortmund to hire your coaches is not the magic formula for success in football. Webber simply got lucky. Wagner''s methods and Farke''s methods are completely different. Where Wagner has worked, Farke has failed.

But for some reason, that night under the lights at Carrow Road unleashed a chain of events that saw the end of the role of chief executive and the identification of Stuart Webber as the new Messiah who was going to wave all kinds of magic wands in a newly created role of sporting director. The Canary public and Archant bought into all the hype and so last season kicked off with the Webberlution as the latest buzz word.

The misplaced feel-good factor quickly evaporated as we were served up some of the direst football in living memory. There were murmurings in some quarters that even Lol Morgan was better than Farke. Pre-season has shown that Farke has not changed his spots at all and we now go into another season employing the same methods as before, but somehow expecting a different outcome.

Maybe Huddersfield knew something we didn''t, as surely they would have fought nail and tooth to keep this messianic figure that we fell for line, hook and stinker.

Of course I would never in a million years expect this Board to learn any lessons, but for the record, they are:

1. Don''t make assumptions about other teams'' success.

2. It is not a foregone conclusion that Borussia Dortmund football club is littered with all the jewels for success in the Championship.

 

 

 

Do you not think that even by the woeful defensive standards of Norwich City, the boy Webber has managed to produce the worst defending in living memory? And to think that he brought in a head coach with an excellent defensive record in his previous job in BL4! That is quite a double achievement - to make a defensive nightmare of a club even worse at defending and turn a tight as a drum coach into a complete leaky bucket.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, Big Vince said:

Do you not think that even by the woeful defensive standards of Norwich City....

Fat Bob never had four central defenders and two defensive midfielders out at the same time.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

48 minutes ago, nutty nigel said:

This is still my favourite...

  On 31/07/2018 at 18:42, Big Vince said:
 

 

 

Oh, I can think of one post from that time that is a serious challenger, Nutty! But Vince's cod-historical👩‍🎓 comparisons and analogies probably give his the edge...😎

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
15 hours ago, Big Vince said:

Do you not think that even by the woeful defensive standards of Norwich City, the boy Webber has managed to produce the worst defending in living memory? And to think that he brought in a head coach with an excellent defensive record in his previous job in BL4! That is quite a double achievement - to make a defensive nightmare of a club even worse at defending and turn a tight as a drum coach into a complete leaky bucket.

I'd say that the loss to Colchester that time was an all time low in defending, well maybe not all time but certainly since I've paid an interest in City, since 1973. So, probably wrong again then Vince. But as being wrong has made no difference to the guff you spout,I'll expect you to carry on regardless. 

Edited by wcorkcanary

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
23 hours ago, lappinitup said:

Fat Bob never had four central defenders and two defensive midfielders out at the same time.

No because he sold them before they got injured.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 08/10/2019 at 17:34, TIL 1010 said:
On 08/10/2019 at 17:29, Willmeister said:

I’m pretty sure I read that we can’t put anything in front of the hotel as that is the only place that emergency vehicles can access the pitch.

Correct.

Solution to that is to make any terracing sit above an access tunnel.  My idea of long balconies with access from the hotel would still be a good option given that the hotel is going nowhere.  Mind you, the big screen is now in the sight line from the hotel, so I can't see anything changing there in the near furure.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
21 hours ago, TIL 1010 said:

No because he sold them before they got injured.

But Norwich City don't have any EPL quality central defenders - so what defenders are you referring to? Those that played last season 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Big Vince said:

But Norwich City don't have any EPL quality central defenders - so what defenders are you referring to? Those that played last season 

Those that played last season let in 57 goals so we're never going to be good enough for this level. The poor defending is a historic problem that has never been addressed and has nothing to do with the injuries this season. In fact, the footballing gods are now giving NCFC a good kicking for not strengthening where it was most needed. Serves the club right. Penny pinchers the lot of them. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

7 minutes ago, lappinitup said:

And Penny is getting fed up with it. 😀

Is that Penny Farthing ?

A girl often unfairly blamed due to a simple misspelling of her surname

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

With all the extra free time self-isolation has given me, I've designed a potential City Stand expansion on Sketchup. I calculated the scale and size by a combination of wikipedia numbers, fag packet sums and just my eye - so if it's not perfect then that'll be why. 

I reckon the capacity of this stadium to be about 35,700.

Link to view:

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/0c3a8066-7a23-4d4f-9b07-24d4f229814d/Carrow-Road

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So the new stand will hold around 12,000 ?

that's packing them in a bit

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, Bill said:

So the new stand will hold around 12,000 ?

that's packing them in a bit

Mm not quite.

Going on limited knowledge these are the rough numbers for each stand, capacity-wise:

South stand - 8000

River end & Barclay - 6000 each

Aviva Community - 1700

That would mean the new stand would hold about 10,000, which I would think would be the aim.

Then having corner infills that hold around 2000 each.

Circa 35,000.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, Darth Vadis said:

Mm not quite.

Going on limited knowledge these are the rough numbers for each stand, capacity-wise:

South stand - 8000

River end & Barclay - 6000 each

Aviva Community - 1700

That would mean the new stand would hold about 10,000, which I would think would be the aim.

Then having corner infills that hold around 2000 each.

Circa 35,000.

your current figures give a capacity of 29,700, it is not

simply take off the main stand of 4000 from current capacity = 23, 200

so any new stand would therefore need to be around 12,000 - which would suggest 3 tiers

Edited by Bill

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

Not sure about 29,700.

8000 + 6000 + 6000 + 1700 = 21,700.

Was under the impression that the City stand holds closer to 5000. That would give you 26,700, a few hundred off 27,200. I think the Barclay and River end hold more but I'm just rounding it down to keep things simple.

A new two tiered stand, bottom tier holding 4500 and the top 5500, and two corner infills of 2000 each would give you a capacity of around 35,000.

Edited by Darth Vadis

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×
×
  • Create New...