TIL 1010 4,654 Posted August 26, 2019 Both have had their deadline extended but with Bolton's latest takeover falling through today it is looking bleak with the administrators waiting to take control of the stadium later this week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth Canary1 91 Posted August 26, 2019 Sad times, feel for their supporters Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
......and Smith must score. 1,295 Posted August 26, 2019 Agree. Even though we lost had a good day out in Bury for an FA Cup match a few years ago. Decent fans suppoprting a real club. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted August 26, 2019 Great shame, and yet two clubs so close you would think someone would be suggesting amalgamation rather than oblivion for both. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GenerationA47 736 Posted August 26, 2019 Presumably that ship has sailed... the time for massive cost cutting and building a combined identity and fan base (if permitted by the fans, rather than actually resulting in reduced income) would have been months, and preferably years before. Now in their hour of desperation the fans might just accept it, but surely by definition too late - all they’d be amalgamating is their debts and their failing boards. They are close, though aren’t they! Just 6 miles’ separation Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonyc 5,441 Posted August 26, 2019 Bury’s demise is a grim warning that small-town Britain is still being left behind https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/26/bury-britain-gigg-lane-brexit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard This article provides a very good back story. So shocking. And you hope so much something good can rise up out of the ashes. A ground that is dear to my heart. I recall us lose there (Bishop scoring) in the cup in Roeder's day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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sonyc 5,441 Posted August 26, 2019 http://Bury’s demise is a grim warning that small-town Britain is still being left behind https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/26/bury-britain-gigg-lane-brexit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard Third time lucky! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted August 26, 2019 36 minutes ago, sonyc said: Bury’s demise is a grim warning that small-town Britain is still being left behind This article provides a very good back story. So shocking. And you hope so much something good can rise up out of the ashes. A ground that is dear to my heart. I recall us lose there (Bishop scoring) in the cup in Roeder's day. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/26/bury-britain-gigg-lane-brexit? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,654 Posted August 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, Drazen Muzinic said: Apologies Drazen as your thread passed me by. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,598 Posted August 26, 2019 Interesting the juxtaposition of these clubs going down the swanny, and at the same time a Lancastrian British billionaire’s company Ineos is off buying French side Nice. Clearly business is business, but it’s a huge shame if something can’t be done to sort things out for both these sides. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeemuVanBasten 3,327 Posted August 27, 2019 How do you really solve the problem of dodgy owners though? Both these clubs need a high net worth individual to come along and pump some money in. But if you were a high net worth individual why would you do that when you know it makes zero business sense, and you'd get no gratitude at all for your altruism or at least only get it for the short term. Let's say I walked into Bolton tonight with £5m and a clear plan to achieve sustainability. If two years down the line the club was operating in its means but that meant having the status in the game of a Barnsley/Rotherham/Peterborough, how long before Bolton fans start demanding I find foreign investment to bankroll a promotion push / gamble because they once had Jay Jay Okocha and Ivan Campo and therefore deserve their eternal Premier League Status. Being a football club owner is just completely thankless and wouldn't be any fun at all. That's why you end up with all these clueless chancers picking up clubs for a quid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeemuVanBasten 3,327 Posted August 27, 2019 10 hours ago, Branston Pickle said: Interesting the juxtaposition of these clubs going down the swanny, and at the same time a Lancastrian British billionaire’s company Ineos is off buying French side Nice. Clearly business is business, but it’s a huge shame if something can’t be done to sort things out for both these sides. Not as shameful as Bury boys Phil Neville and Gary Neville helping to bankroll the rise of a plastic club because Salford with its media city has become trendy while their hometown club (which both their parents have been involved in, Neville Neville was s director once) goes extinct. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,598 Posted August 27, 2019 Quite true - tbh I think there’s rules about multi-ownership, though...and being fair when the Nevilles were investing in Salford, Bury were actually doing relatively ok. I guess they could sever those links and help Bury, but you’d have thought there might/would be others with some cash to spare. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wonder canary 4 Posted August 27, 2019 The trouble is that fans in this locality tend to support the big Manchester/Liverpool clubs had they supported their local teams then crowds and resultant incomes would be higher and the clubs more sustainable Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenwayFrank 2,423 Posted August 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Wonder canary said: The trouble is that fans in this locality tend to support the big Manchester/Liverpool clubs had they supported their local teams then crowds and resultant incomes would be higher and the clubs more sustainable It’s the equivalent of having a professional club in Acle or Attleborough Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,445 Posted August 27, 2019 It is an unpopular opinion but I feel like the league actually needs clubs like this to go out of business and restart from the bottom. It feels like whoever takes over these clubs they'll be back in the financial **** after a few seasons. Starting from scratch would allow them to rebuild on a sustainable model ala AFC Wimbledon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mello Yello 2,265 Posted August 27, 2019 ......and, the rich, get richer...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,445 Posted August 27, 2019 1 hour ago, FenwayFrank said: It’s the equivalent of having a professional club in Acle or Attleborough Agreed. From Gigg Lane you're probably a max 30 minute drive from Man U, Man City, Bolton, Blackburn and Wigan and then less than an hour away from both Liverpool teams and Huddersfield, all of whom play at the same or a higher level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hairy Canary 628 Posted August 27, 2019 We're less than an hour away from 1p5wich Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drazen Muzinic 1,421 Posted August 27, 2019 29 minutes ago, Hairy Canary said: We're less than an hour away from 1p5wich But they're not a professional club... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,445 Posted August 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Hairy Canary said: We're less than an hour away from 1p5wich Only if you're speeding. And that is the only professional team within about a 90 minute drive from us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hairy Canary 628 Posted August 27, 2019 20 minutes ago, king canary said: Only if you're speeding. And that is the only professional team within about a 90 minute drive from us. Yeah that's fair enough and take your point about how much competition they have. I remember some of the blogs the young lady from Bolton produced last year which were really knowledgeable. She was so passionate about her club. I feel for her and the like who have no influence over the decisions that got them where they are now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icecream Snow 761 Posted August 27, 2019 Ruh - Roh https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/49486208 The company which was attempting to buy Bury Football Club, C&N Sporting Risk, says it is "unable to proceed" with its takeover of the League One club. Bury, who had been given until 17:00 BST on Tuesday to complete the deal, now face expulsion from the English Football League. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drazen Muzinic 1,421 Posted August 27, 2019 1 hour ago, king canary said: Only if you're speeding. And that is the only professional team within about a 90 minute drive from us. I repeat...they're not a professional club... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scot-e-dog 34 Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) As I understand it, the EFL deadline is actually a 14 day notice of expulsion from the league....which is effectively a 14 day extension to their current plight. In this context it appears to be pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things. However, as had been pointed out, Bolton have a much bigger worry in the shape of the administrators, who want to start stripping the club on Wednesday. This is awful for the 2 sets of fans, but I am getting fed up of reading about how they are both too historical to be allowed to die. Let's hope something good comes out of this in the form of a fundamental change to the ownership model for football clubs in this country - maybe something akin to the German way, where only 49% can be externally owned (hence, no rich billionaires can tear the heart out of a club). On the flip side, it has left German clubs struggling to compete in Europe. Edited August 27, 2019 by Scot-e-dog Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jools 584 Posted August 27, 2019 Notts County were the oldest club in the League until their relegation to non-league football last season and I don't recall much sympathy for them. As others have mentioned, Lancashire, Greater Manchester & Merseyside are spoilt for choice for professional football clubs in close proximity, so it's very hard to muster any sympathy for Bolton & Bury fans who no doubt support the likes of Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool &/or Everton when their playing at home. Bolton & Bury's demise will be encouraging for National League sides where many former League clubs compete --- York, Halifax, Stockport, Torquay, Barnet, Dagenham, Notts County, Wrexham, Hartlepool, Yeovil, Barrow, Aldershot, Chesterfield, Chester, Hereford, Kidderminster, Southport & Darlington will now be excited at the prospect of additional promotion places -- Including Kings Lynn who have never contested in the League. Bolton & Bury have failed to cut their cloth accordingly and will have to do so in the lower Leagues. Luton did and they came back 👍 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted August 27, 2019 " it has left German clubs struggling to compete in Europe. " which has saved them, but wrecked clubs across the rest of Europe I hear nothing but positive stuff about attendances, ticket costs etc in Germany who benefits from European competitions in the UK less than a half a dozen... clubs that are owned,managed and played for by non uk people with huge sums being sucked out of the game while most clubs are struggling to keep up Sasly it needs supporters to act, but there are too many 'fans' at the moment to se betond the next televisied European game Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,311 Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) Can't believe i'm agreeing with you Joolso. Football is competitive in both Sporting and financial ways. If this could have been sorted, one way or the other before the season started would have been preferable, it's a sad messy end for two Clubs, but as you say, opens opportunities for others. Just glad we are stable, as the financial climate is going to get stormy in the next couple of years i reckon. Edited August 27, 2019 by wcorkcanary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites