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If anyone has any issues with var than surely they must now be gone with the knowledge that without var chelsea would have been awarded that goal yesterday. Shocking decision from the officials and highlights how much we need var in the game 

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47 minutes ago, JF said:

If anyone has any issues with var than surely they must now be gone with the knowledge that without var chelsea would have been awarded that goal yesterday. Shocking decision from the officials and highlights how much we need var in the game 

I'm 99% sure that Atkinson would've given a foul had there been no VAR. He was just using VAR to be certain.

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Too much inconsistency with VAR. Why on earth wasn’t that a pen for Man City just now?? An obvious error but understandably not seen by the ref, should be overturned. We’d be fuming if that wasn’t given, and decisions like that could be pivotal for us, certainly a lot more than for city (who’ve just scored again)

VAR only as good as those using it and the guidelines they’ve been given. It’s the new rules and advice given to refs and those controlling VAR that I find baffling.

 

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VAR doesn’t really change anything as it’s still subjective. It’s also there just for clear and obvious errors in the big decisions. Chelsea quite happily spent all of injury time at the end of the match wasting time and pretending to be injured and the ref did nothing, which means in general the “big” teams will still get the favourable decisions.

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Good or bad VAR will be a very different thing for those in the stadium opposed to those watching on TV. 

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1 hour ago, FenwayFrank said:

VAR doesn’t really change anything as it’s still subjective. It’s also there just for clear and obvious errors in the big decisions. Chelsea quite happily spent all of injury time at the end of the match wasting time and pretending to be injured and the ref did nothing, which means in general the “big” teams will still get the favourable decisions.

Standing on a players foot causing them to fall is a foul. Is that not a clear and obvious error? It was for a penalty so definitely a big decision. Also the decision went against Man City so not a ‘big’ team getting that decision.

I think it’s more an instruction that they must keep with the on field decision unless mind bendingly, ludicrously obvious they’ve missed something. This is an awful stance to have because we now have the technology to spot and rectify a mistake and it’s being ignored. I believe the vast majority of fans and pundits would say that should have been a pen today yet because the powers that be are scared to admit referees make mistakes, they’re sticking with poor on field decisions.

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That’s not my point, I know all teams will waste time near the end of a match but Chelsea were ott with it and the ref did nothing. It’s obviously nothing to do with var either so big teams still get treated differently by refs.

20 minutes ago, Fiery Zac said:

Standing on a players foot causing them to fall is a foul. Is that not a clear and obvious error?

Yes, but whoever was on var duty today decided it wasn’t, as I said, it’s still subjective so decisions won’t always be right

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2 hours ago, Fiery Zac said:

Too much inconsistency with VAR. Why on earth wasn’t that a pen for Man City just now?? An obvious error but understandably not seen by the ref, should be overturned. We’d be fuming if that wasn’t given, and decisions like that could be pivotal for us, certainly a lot more than for city (who’ve just scored again)

VAR only as good as those using it and the guidelines they’ve been given. It’s the new rules and advice given to refs and those controlling VAR that I find baffling.

 

Agreed... it was a clear penalty and I think also in the Spurs game. 

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7 minutes ago, FenwayFrank said:

That’s not my point, I know all teams will waste time near the end of a match but Chelsea were ott with it and the ref did nothing. It’s obviously nothing to do with var either so big teams still get treated differently by refs.

Yes, but whoever was on var duty today decided it wasn’t, as I said, it’s still subjective so decisions won’t always be right

They need also to ensure that those making VAR decisions are independent and totally impartial. 

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And another one in the spurs game. Going with the on field decision which I believe the vast majority would say was wrong. Should’ve been a pen

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23 minutes ago, FenwayFrank said:

That’s not my point, I know all teams will waste time near the end of a match but Chelsea were ott with it and the ref did nothing. It’s obviously nothing to do with var either so big teams still get treated differently by refs.

Yes, but whoever was on var duty today decided it wasn’t, as I said, it’s still subjective so decisions won’t always be right

Which is why I said the advice they have been given is what’s so baffling. The technology is there to show humans make mistakes and  poor decisions should be corrected and yet they’re choosing to ignore it. Subjective yes, but the decision I’m talking about and now the one in the spurs game are hardly debatable and everyone I’ve listened to and read from say it was a pen.

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PENALTY DECISIONS

The role of the VAR is to ensure that no clearly wrong decisions are made in conjunction with the award or non-award of a penalty kick.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Fiery Zac said:

PENALTY DECISIONS

The role of the VAR is to ensure that no clearly wrong decisions are made in conjunction with the award or non-award of a penalty kick.

 

 

The VAR adjudicator must be a Newcastle or Arsenal fan !!

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Three clear penalties in our game, Man City game and Spurs game all missed. Var isn’t being used correctly here, it’s as if the refs are not giving major decisions based on the knowledge it will go to var, then var is backing the referee who’s effectively bottled the decision

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On 24/08/2019 at 18:31, Capt. Pants said:

I thought Chelsea could have had a 4th, the ref did check it. It's instinct to celebrate a goal narrow offside or not.

The fact that the referee even gave the 4th goal shows how bad he was tho

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