The Great Mass Debater 1,078 Posted June 5, 2019 Homegrown, should be able to slip into our squad with ease. Quite possibly available (Jacob loaned to Championship last season and Josh been relegated). Newcastle, if they want to keep him might see Norwich as the ideal place for him to develop, if they dont want him, should be available to buy. Cardiff might want to sell following relegation. Im always of the view you should never go back. But both players could fit in well with our system from last season (assuming we will keep the same tactics). Josh could play the Hernandez role, Jacob the Buendia role. They're both better than Cantwell and provide pace and the ability to score goals out of nothing. We need players able to challenge or be effective alternatives to Hernandez/Buendia. We all saw how much we missed them when they were out of the team last season. With Roberts providing a challenge to Buendia, or a different option to Stipermann, I think having either one, or even both of the Murphy's back would be a decent move. I personally wouldnt be unhappy if we reimbursed Cardiff for Josh and took Jacob back on loan. If Newcastle wanted to sell him, Id doubt his value would have changed too much. As long as we didnt overpay for him, he would be a good signing for me. I know a lot of people would say, been there, done that, move on there are better players etc. But better fits? They're surely a pretty known quantity and fit in with our tactics and our club ethos. Id welcome them back in a heartbeat. Anyone else? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ramrod 258 Posted June 5, 2019 I don't think either are as good as Hernandez. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,531 Posted June 5, 2019 The Murphys are not Farkeball material. Josh kind of proved that in the first season under Farke. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 4,195 Posted June 5, 2019 No not good enough. Anyway we have Roberts now at least for next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hucks6 169 Posted June 5, 2019 No thanks not good enough for us 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,345 Posted June 5, 2019 Gone and forgotten. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,635 Posted June 5, 2019 Not for me - though neither has particularly shone since leaving so I guess they might be in our price range. I was really surprised how much Colin raved about Josh when he signed him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThorpeCanary 71 Posted June 5, 2019 I enjoyed watching them both for us and don't think we would be in the position we are in today if it wasn't for the money we got for them. Who knows what will happen in their careers but right now I don't think they have done enough to earn a move to the premier-league with us and the money that would be required to bring them here would wipe us out. Not for me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shefcanary 2,385 Posted June 5, 2019 Neither would fit into Farke's possession based, short passing and high press system. That bird has flown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Great Mass Debater 1,078 Posted June 5, 2019 28 minutes ago, lake district canary said: The Murphys are not Farkeball material. Josh kind of proved that in the first season under Farke. Id argue there that Josh was a victim of the system. Was continually played as a striker, which he is not. Played when Farke was persisting with the 3 at the back and wingbacks system that never really suited. Remember players like Vrancic looked poor that season too but massively improved and flourished in a different system. Josh did well in the cups as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Great Mass Debater 1,078 Posted June 5, 2019 Not much love for the Murphy's so far, but we probably need some homegrown players. Id struggle to name two players we could afford, who'd be interested in coming, who would almost certainly settle straight away and would fit our tactics and are homegrown that wouldnt cost more. I think they could be useful alternatives to our existing players. Josh would be a good alternative to Hernandez if played in the same way. Both Josh and Jacob can score goals from long range and are good counter-attacking players, something a team likely to be on the backfoot in most games really needs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted June 5, 2019 Josh's wages would not fit our current structure. Great lads, but no. We are working to a different pattern and they would not fit that. I would expect that any signings will be as has been. Players who have the potential to develop and the mindset to burst a gut trying. We might see an 'old hand' as we have done to great effect in the past....Peters, Channon, Dublin, O'Neil to see us through the season, but I can only agree what what has been said in all of the posts above. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chelm Canary 404 Posted June 5, 2019 We were paid hansomly for their development when they moved on. The best outcome was had by all involved. Let's not recreate problems of old. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,531 Posted June 5, 2019 36 minutes ago, The Great Mass Debater said: Id argue there that Josh was a victim of the system. Was continually played as a striker, which he is not. Played when Farke was persisting with the 3 at the back and wingbacks system that never really suited. Remember players like Vrancic looked poor that season too but massively improved and flourished in a different system. Josh did well in the cups as well Don't think the system was the reason. The games I saw, Josh continually got caught on the ball, failed to make the right passes at the right time, shot when he should have passed, passed when he should have shot, scored one worldy that put him on cloud nine and looked unplayable for the rest of that match and then returned to normal in the following matches. Vrancic actually improved and adapted his game throughout that season, becoming a real force by the end of it and so i don't think the system is relevant there either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
splendidrush 700 Posted June 5, 2019 It's a no from me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fr. Chewy Louie 137 Posted June 5, 2019 I suspect Jacob's last season with us will end up being the best season of his career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bradwell canary 109 Posted June 6, 2019 No way! Neither of them would tackle back like our two outstanding wide players. Both of them shirked a hard tackle . Did not like going for a 50/50 ball with any conviction. Absolutely no comparisons. Just proved yet again the shrewd management in place at Carrow Road. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M the Canary 10 Posted June 6, 2019 The money we got for them both was far more than they were worth. This has been proven since they have left no way should we take them back will never happen 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smooth 114 Posted June 6, 2019 I agree with the majority, we sold at the right time. We sold when both peaked and cannot see them adding to our team now. I don't think either have improved and happy to see their careers continue. But I also believe in never going back and neither are worth even more thought. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,713 Posted June 6, 2019 For the money we'd have to pay to get them back, I don't think it would be economically sound. I'm oot as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,578 Posted June 6, 2019 10 hours ago, ricardo said: Gone and forgotten. Not forgotten by me. Two lads who came through our academy, performed well and made the club a sizeable chunk of money. I'll always be pretty thankful for them even if I don't think we should resign either of them. 12 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,618 Posted June 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, king canary said: Not forgotten by me. Two lads who came through our academy, performed well and made the club a sizeable chunk of money. I'll always be pretty thankful for them even if I don't think we should resign either of them. This Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,017 Posted June 6, 2019 1 hour ago, king canary said: Not forgotten by me. Two lads who came through our academy, performed well and made the club a sizeable chunk of money. I'll always be pretty thankful for them even if I don't think we should resign either of them. Seconded........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
All the Germans 1,075 Posted June 6, 2019 Wish them well and prone to moments of brilliance but it's another no for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AJ 1,218 Posted June 6, 2019 Wish them well, but no longer fit into our squad. Never been the too keen on the idea of sinning ex players Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,138 Posted June 6, 2019 29 minutes ago, AJ said: Wish them well, but no longer fit into our squad. Never been the too keen on the idea of sinning ex players I always quite fancied Steve Bruce though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Angry 1,545 Posted June 6, 2019 I thought Josh played quite well towards the end of the season for Cardiff. As others have said though, I don't think he fits the ethos that DF has instilled in the last season-though to be fair, we don't know if he would have bought into it if he'd been there, but I doubt it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lappinitup 629 Posted June 6, 2019 2 hours ago, AJ said: Never been the too keen on the idea of sinning ex players Sinners? That explains why we sold them then. 😁 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ginja 26 Posted June 6, 2019 (edited) Both are certainly good championship players and have the ability to change a match but honestly they are both far too inconsistent and have struggled with the demands of the PL, it's a no IMO. There's also clearly some attitude problems, I think our money is better spent elsewhere. Edited June 6, 2019 by Ginja Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,089 Posted June 6, 2019 (edited) So reasons to re-sign them: They're homegrown Reasons not to: They're not as good as what we have They don't fit into our current way of playing They're paid too much Going back to an old club never works They don't track back Not committed enough tackling We sold them for more than they are worth and would have to overpay to get them back Nuff said... Edited June 6, 2019 by Nuff Said 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites