Molly Windley 76 Posted May 24, 2019 Maybe I`m being thick, if I am then it will not be the first time and my feels will not be hurt and someone points out the glaringly obvious.. There is already a thread on new rule changes for next season, but a piece on the PinkUn main site caught my eye. When is it now handball and not handball by the keeper inside the penalty box? My big confusion is over the keeper "attempting to kick the ball to release it into play" as in both scenarios given I believe that the ball is already in play. The IFAB site states in regards to handball by goalkeepers. 18Law changes 2019/20 – text and explanations 2. Indirect free kick Amended text An indirect free kick is awarded if a goalkeeper, inside their penalty area, commits any of the following offences: •controls the ball with the hands/arm for more than six seconds before releasing it •touches the ball with the hands/arm after releasing it and before it has touched another player •touches the ball with the hand/arm, unless the goalkeeper has clearly kicked or attempted to kick the ball to release it into play, after •it has been deliberately kicked to the goalkeeper by a team-mate •receiving it directly from a throw-in taken by a team-mate Explanation •Inclusion of ‘arm’ is consistent with other parts of the Law relating to handling the ball. •When the GK clearly kicks or tries to kick the ball into play, this shows no intention to handle the ball so, if the ‘clearance’ attempt is unsuccessful, the goalkeeper can then handle the ball without committing an offence Link is http://static-3eb8.kxcdn.com/documents/791/171520_110319_IFAB_LoG_changes_and_clarifications.pdf Discussion on text is from page 18 of the PDF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icecream Snow 761 Posted May 24, 2019 Isn't it just to prevent the keeper holding onto the ball for the whole match? Or dropping it and picking it up infinitely? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
First Wazzock 902 Posted May 24, 2019 I would like to see them outlaw keepers who take an easy catch then promptly fall to the floor hanging onto the ball for as long as they think they can get away with... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Molly Windley 76 Posted May 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Icecream Snow said: Isn't it just to prevent the keeper holding onto the ball for the whole match? Or dropping it and picking it up infinitely? It was this line that confuses me •When the GK clearly kicks or tries to kick the ball into play, this shows no intention to handle the ball so, if the ‘clearance’ attempt is unsuccessful, the goalkeeper can then handle the ball without committing an offence Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Molly Windley 76 Posted May 24, 2019 Unless it is a goal kick, free kick or kick from the hands then the ball is already in play and what if the keeper is trying to kick the ball out of play and not into play? Does this mean that if a keeper miss controls with his feet that he can now handle the ball? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Petriix 2,834 Posted May 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, First Wazzock said: I would like to see them outlaw keepers who take an easy catch then promptly fall to the floor hanging onto the ball for as long as they think they can get away with... It is already covered by the six second rule. If they drop to the floor and hang on for more than six seconds then it's an indirect free kick. Re the OP: it simply means that if they try to kick the ball clear but somehow miss it or miskick it in such a way that it comes back to them, then they are allowed to pick it up again. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icecream Snow 761 Posted May 24, 2019 12 minutes ago, Molly Windley said: It was this line that confuses me •When the GK clearly kicks or tries to kick the ball into play, this shows no intention to handle the ball so, if the ‘clearance’ attempt is unsuccessful, the goalkeeper can then handle the ball without committing an offence I think they're trying to stop the scenario where the keeper drops the ball at his feet, dithers for a while, and when the opposing forward finally goes to close him down, keeper picks the ball up again. Problem with these rules it that they have to write them in terms of "acceptable behaviour" rather than spell out what they're trying to eliminate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Molly Windley 76 Posted May 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Icecream Snow said: I think they're trying to stop the scenario where the keeper drops the ball at his feet, dithers for a while, and when the opposing forward finally goes to close him down, keeper picks the ball up again. Problem with these rules it that they have to write them in terms of "acceptable behaviour" rather than spell out what they're trying to eliminate. A keeper cannot deliberately drop the ball under his control and then handle it again, that is already a free kick offence. It say "kick the ball into play", but if the ball is already in play unless he has hands on it. What if he is deliberately trying to put the ball "out of play" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drazen Muzinic 1,445 Posted May 24, 2019 If it takes three men 4 weeks to dig a hole 17 feet by 3405 millimetres squared, what's the time in the Galapagos Islands? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenwayFrank 2,458 Posted May 24, 2019 An African swallow or European ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drazen Muzinic 1,445 Posted May 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, FenwayFrank said: An African swallow or European ? Always European. Unless it's African. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Wal 314 Posted May 24, 2019 Why, why, why do the powers that be always try to justify their existance my making changes that do not need to be made? I think last year it was kick off, where the ball can be kicked backwards ...... did that improve anything or was it change for change's sake, just as some of these changes are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aggy 754 Posted May 24, 2019 Probably a fair point MW. “Kick the ball” would have probably sufficed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,652 Posted May 24, 2019 It is a little confused, seems that if you scuff a clearance you can pick it up - but that could still see misinterpretation. One change I’m happy with is the goal kick revision - it was ridiculous that players could step in and take the ball in the area just to get another goal kick; now the ball is ‘live’ if they do it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted May 24, 2019 Can we just go back to the old rule? You can only travel 3 (?) steps after catching / picking up the ball, but no other restrictions? Just combine that with the fourth official can stop the game clock / watch if he thinks you are time wasting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,810 Posted May 25, 2019 Are any of these rules actually new? Also, the six second rule is probably the least enforced rule in sport. Keepers regularly hold on for ten seconds or more, and when they're holding on to a lead towards the end of the game it often becomes 15. I haven't seen a free kick given for this offence in at least a decade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
First Wazzock 902 Posted May 25, 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said: Are any of these rules actually new? Also, the six second rule is probably the least enforced rule in sport. Keepers regularly hold on for ten seconds or more, and when they're holding on to a lead towards the end of the game it often becomes 15. I haven't seen a free kick given for this offence in at least a decade. So true. How many indirect free kicks have been given in the 6 yard box at Carrow Road in more recent times? But in all honesty you probably stand more chance of scoring with a free kick just outside the penalty area. Edited May 26, 2019 by First Wazzock Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
splendidrush 700 Posted May 25, 2019 11 hours ago, First Wazzock said: How many indirect free kicks have been given in the 6 yard box at Crrow Road in more recent times? Yeah, but you wait 'til we get to Old Trafford or the Bridge and we're level with a couple of minutes remaining. 😱 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted May 26, 2019 I have never understood why a rule can be interpreted. It should only be black and white. Surely that is one reason for VAR? and now the introduce something that may be ignored by some and jobsworth by others. Complete nonsense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted May 26, 2019 https://www.mirror.co.uk/0b2772e1-d045-4a53-8348-ab5cfaa1977f Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aggy 754 Posted May 26, 2019 3 hours ago, keelansgrandad said: I have never understood why a rule can be interpreted. It should only be black and white. Surely that is one reason for VAR? and now the introduce something that may be ignored by some and jobsworth by others. Complete nonsense. I don’t think any of the above can be interpreted. The rules themselves are black and white. There are some bits which require the ref’s judgment (in the same way that the handball rules requires a ref to decide whether a player has deliberately handled) but the rule is clear. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites