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A couple of transfer rumours...

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Think its fair to say a few of our younger especially English players are on the radar of some of the bigger clubs. That being Aarons, Godfrey & Cantwell. Probably to a lesser degree Lewis. I think we'd probably accept anywhere close to £20-25m for any of those players in reality, with add ons knowing they are going to go on to possibly play international football. I cant see us selling any in January, as we just don't have the back up personnel, but come the summer, no doubt we'll see 1-2 of our younger players leave.

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On 08/10/2019 at 00:43, Bill said:

yep, that's what I meant to say

definitely Heisse if he has not made the first team by Jan

So that’s what you meant to say? Did you also mean to say Brexit is going to happen?

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16 minutes ago, Crafty Canary said:

So that’s what you meant to say? Did you also mean to say Brexit is going to happen?

Not sure you’ll get a reaction, Crafty - Bill hasn’t been on here since Nov 20th. 

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18 minutes ago, Alex Moss said:

Not sure you’ll get a reaction, Crafty - Bill hasn’t been on here since Nov 20th. 

Also, you've got a thread for that, lets not pollute the stuff about the football with it.

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38 minutes ago, king canary said:

Also, you've got a thread for that, lets not pollute the stuff about the football with it.

Fair point KC, I hope Bill’s ok regardless of politics etc - we’re all (in the main) City supporters here, and shouldn’t let differing views etc ultimately cloud the NCFC family togetherness, especially at this time of good will 👍🏼

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On 08/10/2019 at 15:29, king canary said:

Having a look at 'home-grown' central defenders who we might get on the cheap due to contract's coming to an end it is pretty slim pickings. Joe Worrall from Forest looks like the best option but if we're still 19th and Forest are still 2nd would he really move?

Might be worth another push for Jarrod Bowen though- contract up at the end of the season, Hull not really in the promotion fight. 

Apparently Bowen has a 1 year option in the contract so their need to sell is less than it appears. would like to see him though but it may cost more than he would if he had 6 months left.

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Somewhere between the two figures mentioned would be  about  right.  Players dont really have a correct value like a car might  . The price of players is dependent on so many factors,  but if I was driving an Aurier,  I'd want to trade it in for an Aarons  if I could afford it. 

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We've had a couple of transfer threads pop up in the last few days, so let's bring this classic back to the fore.

https://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/norwich-city/manchester-united-target-dennis-man-linked-with-norwich-city-1-6735059

Dennis Man, €15m. Obviously we'll go nowhere near a player at that price, so either the agent is bull****ting about us being interested or the price is nowhere near that high.

As for Man, he's useful on Football Manager.

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26 minutes ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

Dennis Man, €15m. Obviously we'll go nowhere near a player at that price, 

You say that, but didn't we bid that amount for that French winger? The lad with a double barrelled surname? Can't remember it for the life of me. Ended up at Lille, I think?

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5 hours ago, Terminally Yellow said:

You say that, but didn't we bid that amount for that French winger? The lad with a double barrelled surname? Can't remember it for the life of me. Ended up at Lille, I think?

Claude Maurice, he turned us down. I think with some of the sales coming this summer, we will have flexibility to spend.

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I am a big fan of Aarons  but he had a very poor display against Watford and showed his limitations in the top flight at the moment in particular when up against Physically bigger and more powerful players in the top flight. Potential suitors watching recent games may be having second thoughts certainly at the prices being touted

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6 hours ago, Terminally Yellow said:

You say that, but didn't we bid that amount for that French winger? The lad with a double barrelled surname? Can't remember it for the life of me. Ended up at Lille, I think?

That was when we were preparing for a Premier League season. If we break our transfer record this summer I'll be amazed.

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13 minutes ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

That was when we were preparing for a Premier League season. If we break our transfer record this summer I'll be amazed.

While I mostly agree with you, it could happen if we sell a couple of the younger prospects for good money. Lets say Aarons, Buendia and Godfrey all go for a combined £60/70m then I'd imagine we'd feel we could grab a player for that price. 

 

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12 minutes ago, king canary said:

While I mostly agree with you, it could happen if we sell a couple of the younger prospects for good money. Lets say Aarons, Buendia and Godfrey all go for a combined £60/70m then I'd imagine we'd feel we could grab a player for that price. 

 

But £60-70m from player sales is still less than the £100m we received for TV rights this season. Maybe the club have learnt that you have to be a bit looser with the pursestrings to get anywhere, but I'd still be surprised if we spent £10m+ on one player.

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2 minutes ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

But £60-70m from player sales is still less than the £100m we received for TV rights this season. Maybe the club have learnt that you have to be a bit looser with the pursestrings to get anywhere, but I'd still be surprised if we spent £10m+ on one player.

Yes but our wage bill will be lower, we won't have just paid out a bunch of promotion bonuses and we can probably get away with offering a player less money to join us in the Championship.

The big issue for our finances is almost always wages rather than fees. 

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21 minutes ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

But £60-70m from player sales is still less than the £100m we received for TV rights this season. Maybe the club have learnt that you have to be a bit looser with the pursestrings to get anywhere, but I'd still be surprised if we spent £10m+ on one player.

I'm not sure why you think we need to make up the £100m lost. 

I'm not saying we're about to go splash around cash on multiple players for hundreds of millions. I just think the right player would see us spend that sort of cash.

Anyway, guess we'll see what happens this summer.

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12 minutes ago, Terminally Yellow said:

I'm not sure why you think we need to make up the £100m lost. 

I didn't say that. What I meant by the comparison was that we have less money available this year, and with games being played behind closed doors for the foreseeable future, it could make it even harder to justify spending big on transfers.

I'd still be surprised to see us spend more than £10m on one player.

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3 minutes ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

I didn't say that. What I meant by the comparison was that we have less money available this year, and with games being played behind closed doors for the foreseeable future, it could make it even harder to justify spending big on transfers.

I'd still be surprised to see us spend more than £10m on one player.

The example I'd look to is what happened when Burnley basically did what we did- got promoted, didn't spend much with a view to bouncing back the next season. In the Premier League their most expensive signings were £3m on players like Goerge Boyd and Michael Keane. After relegation they went and spent around £10m on Andre Gray as they'd been able to bank the money from the first season.

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The contacts between the parties last for several months, and Norwich's initial proposal was to pay another two million euros if the team remained in the Premier League. But that is no longer the case, because demotion is imminent. "

"Norwich will not take out 15 million euros in any form," say GSP sources, who also claim that "this is the only team now interested in Man in England. The idea that there would be two more clubs in the middle is just a business strategy to somehow force the hand of Norwich to conclude the transaction faster ".

Here is, in fact, the margin in which negotiations are underway for the red-blue player: between 8 million euros offered by Norwich and 10 million euros for which Becali would be satisfied. "Probably around 8.5-9 million euros could be slapped" GSP sources estimate.

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The problem is that many on here have not the slightest idea of how transfers work, or cost

Pretty much all transfers are on the never never ie instalments

So any club is basing payments on future income. Fine if you are among the top 8 or so in the PL, but a gamble if you are one of those, who supposedly have consolidated, but then find they haven't and are relegated.

You then have to unload the player and his wage.....when you are not in the driving seat of any negotiation.

Take a look at the number of clubs in the Championship who were recently 'consolidated PL clubs'. Who are now as good as fcked.

It is not about taking a bit of money down the casino to have a flutter. It is, in some cases literally, akin to betting your house on staying in the PL. You lose, and the house goes.

Check out clubs who have had to sell their ground to raise finance to stay afloat,

Thankfully this is now being discussed, taking the argued beyond the usual bleat of 'where's all the money gorn', 'we need more hambition'.

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11 minutes ago, Darth Vadis said:

Primarily a right winger, not blessed with blistering pace (so should fit in), taller than our average player though at 6ft.  Slightly different to what we do have in wide positions, possibly a slightly more out and out winger than Buendia or Cantwell, but looks a replacement for one of them if it happens.  Fits the Webber mould at 21 and from a Eastern European League.  5 assists in 28 games slightly less than what I would expect a winger to have though.

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25 minutes ago, Michael Wynless Jones said:

Primarily a right winger, not blessed with blistering pace (so should fit in), taller than our average player though at 6ft.  Slightly different to what we do have in wide positions, possibly a slightly more out and out winger than Buendia or Cantwell, but looks a replacement for one of them if it happens.  Fits the Webber mould at 21 and from a Eastern European League.  5 assists in 28 games slightly less than what I would expect a winger to have though.

Assists is one of the more meaningless stats going.

Player X could play his striker in one on one 5 times in a game but the striker misses all 5 chances, while player Y could do a 5 yard lay off to a midfielder who bangs a worldy into the top corner from 25 yards. Player Y is the one who comes out of the game with an assist.

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This must mean Emi or Todd is already more or less out of the building as I cant see why we need another winger if not compared to other positions.

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29 minutes ago, king canary said:

Assists is one of the more meaningless stats going.

most meaningless, more like

just nonsense to over excite those with mild Aspergers who want everything to be quantified by numbers

Counting the last person to touch the ball before the scorer should be seen as absurd as those words suggest

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Just now, Bill said:

most meaningless, more like

just nonsense to over excite those with mild Aspergers who want everything to be quantified by numbers

Counting the last person to touch the ball before the scorer should be seen as absurd as those words suggest

You realise you can just say 'I don't really like stats' right?

You don't have to be an absolute **** about it and insinuate anyone who take an interest has a form of mental illness.

Just like you don't have to call people numpties in every other post because they disagree with you.

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35 minutes ago, king canary said:

Assists is one of the more meaningless stats going.

Player X could play his striker in one on one 5 times in a game but the striker misses all 5 chances, while player Y could do a 5 yard lay off to a midfielder who bangs a worldy into the top corner from 25 yards. Player Y is the one who comes out of the game with an assist.

That's of course a fair point, chances created would be a better stat to use I concede

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6 minutes ago, Bill said:

most meaningless, more like

just nonsense to over excite those with mild Aspergers who want everything to be quantified by numbers

Counting the last person to touch the ball before the scorer should be seen as absurd as those words suggest

I know I've only been here a day, but well done on pointing me in the direction of the biggest bell end on here.👍

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