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Resigned to finish 3rd?

 

"Not one single player on our team would reproduce the performances this constant in another season," he told BBC Radio Leeds.

"They've given everything."

The Argentine believes the side's "fate was decided" by the 2-1 home defeat by Wigan on 19 April.

"In that game we had 15 chances to score and more than 70% of possession. The final result was a decision of God," he said.

"You don't evaluate teams by the goals they score but the chances to score that they create, but of course the teams that are efficient make a difference.

"We should have finished in the top two this season. We have had many games that we deserved to win that we didn't win.

"Obviously it was not our destiny to finish in the top two. We have needed twice as many opportunities to score a goal as other teams (at the top of the table) but you can't say to a team that has had all those chances that they did not deserve to win."

 

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Resigned to finish 3rd?

 

"Not one single player on our team would reproduce the performances this constant in another season," he told BBC Radio Leeds.

"They've given everything."

The Argentine believes the side's "fate was decided" by the 2-1 home defeat by Wigan on 19 April.

"In that game we had 15 chances to score and more than 70% of possession. The final result was a decision of God," he said.

"You don't evaluate teams by the goals they score but the chances to score that they create, but of course the teams that are efficient make a difference.

"We should have finished in the top two this season. We have had many games that we deserved to win that we didn't win.

"Obviously it was not our destiny to finish in the top two. We have needed twice as many opportunities to score a goal as other teams (at the top of the table) but you can't say to a team that has had all those chances that they did not deserve to win."

 

The final result was a decision of God...

 

...whose hand Steven Fletcher used to cheat Norwich out of three points.

 

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Theres only one Top Gun who wins whether they deserve it our not. Not blaming other people or disrespecting your opposition by claiming it was a an entity that doesn't exisit stopping them.

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The single fact remains, you don’t score goals, you don’t win games. 

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I think Bielsa is just softening them up for the fact he won't be there next season. I believe the owner has said he needs to sell if they don't go up, which means he'd be unlikely to bring the 4-5 players they'd need to build on this season. At 34 you wonder if Pablo Hernandez can repeat this season's performances again.

Bielsa would be expecting Sheffield United to beat Ipswich, and for us to get at least a point against Blackburn. But even without that, they've scored 70 goals this season and Roofe and Alioski are supposedly out (21 goals between them)

They still might go up via the playoffs, but it's been a long grueling season for them and and I can see them not making it to the playoff final.

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1 hour ago, Making Plans said:

Resigned to finish 3rd?

"Not one single player on our team would reproduce the performances this constant in another season," he told BBC Radio Leeds.

That sounds like he's off to new pastures after this season. 

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1 hour ago, Making Plans said:

Resigned to finish 3rd?

 

"Not one single player on our team would reproduce the performances this constant in another season," he told BBC Radio Leeds.

"They've given everything."

The Argentine believes the side's "fate was decided" by the League finding out about his spying missions on 19 February.

"In that game we had 15 chances to score and more than 70% of possession. The final result was a decision of God," he said.

"You don't evaluate teams by the goals they score but the chances to score that they create, but of course the teams that are efficient make a difference.

"We should have finished in the top two this season. We have had many games that we deserved to win that we didn't win.

"Obviously it was not our destiny to finish in the top two. We have needed twice as many opportunities to score a goal as other teams (at the top of the table) but you can't say to a team that has had all those chances that they did not deserve to win."

 

Changed the third sentence to make it factually correct.

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Whenever I watch Leeds they don;t create many clear cut chances and their play is always so predictable that goalkeepers know exactly where to position themselves to save. Every chance seems to be a cutback to in or around the edge of the box coming in at pace. It takes a decent amount of skill to put those away and as they produce that passage of play so often it becomes predictable to defend against. They do it at such a pace and high tempo it always troubles teams in this league but these seem to be hard chances to bury. 

Even in the highlights it's not like they're missing open goals or the keepers are often pulling off world class saves. They are extremely well coached to produce the passes of play they do but I Championship level forwards are going to struggle to consistently finish these types of chances. It probably shows up well in the stats and things like xG but watching live their problem is blindingly obvious to me and it's not poor finishing. 

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He's off, like most other sides he's Managed, they've tailed off at the end. Their fans will tell you that they've had more injuries and failing to get the Swansea lad over the line did for them. 

I think that Hernandez will be off as well, another season in the Championship at his age? too demanding. 

Heading into the playoffs is all about momentum, Villa have it, Leeds don't. 

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3 hours ago, Making Plans said:

You don't evaluate teams by the goals they score but the chances to score that they create..

We have had many games that we deserved to win that we didn't win.

We have needed twice as many opportunities to score a goal as other teams (at the top of the table) but you can't say to a team that has had all those chances that they did not deserve to win."

What nonsense. 

You should actually. And of course the chances created too, but only goals win games, so not evaluating by goals is stupid. 

You either win a game or you don't. There may be mitigating factors (such as a penalty decision) in one or two, but not many. 

Yes you can. It's your team's fault if they can't convert chances created into goals, also suggests you need a better striker.  

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The old Disraeli quote "Lies, damn lies and statistics"

For reference this is our 0-1 loss to Stoke. I'd argue that things tend to even themselves out over the course of a season. You can have the odd bad luck, bad game, bad refereeing decision but it tends to average itself out over the 46 games.

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Yes a little bit of statistical analysis and basic probability theory will allow for odd results such as these but over a season they are “averaged out” by the other results. You can’t say it’s bad luck you need twice as many chances to score as other teams, it’s just bad finishing, and if your statistical analysis, or personal observation as a specialist in the field, can’t uncover that fact and then take appropriate corrective action, then IMO your exhaustive analysis of the competition might be better spent on sorting out your own team’s pattern of play and finishing instead. 

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Is there a sight that amalgates all the match stats like those above for the entire season. That would make for quite interesting reading in a Statto sort of way.

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Leeds haven't been the same since spy gate.  They've been inconsistent since the Derby game and have bottled it time and time again in key games ever since.  It can be no coincidence.  If anyone had any doubt about the advantage spying on opponents' training sessions gave Leeds, then their gradual decline puts it beyond any doubt.

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I understand many in the game rely on stats. I see them as an aid rather than a rule. It isn't new to the game, Don Howe swore by them back in the late sixties. And he used them successfully if you look at how the teams he coached performed.

But just as possession has been the method used by most successful teams for many years, it has been tinkered with. Pep's tikka takka style has been modified with the addition of pace. And forwards pressing.

Our passing last year was good but a lot slower than this. This season has seen more one/two touch football.

But at the end of the day, it is the personnel carrying out any tactics that is the key. For instance, Buendia has added a new dimension to our team with his innate ability.

Bielsa has to accept that his side have performed brilliantly at times but their combined ability does not match ours and while they caught us on the hop at the start of the season our performance at Elland Road proved we have simply better players.

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1 hour ago, GenerationA47 said:

Last visit was Tuesday, last post was 18th April. Give him a break !

Was that about the time he said he'd give up posting if proved wrong about the Justin fashanu goal. I do hope he didn't take himself too seriously. I can never be bothered to argue the toss with him but do find his posts interesting, sometimes.

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4 hours ago, keelansgrandad said:

I understand many in the game rely on stats. I see them as an aid rather than a rule. It isn't new to the game, Don Howe swore by them back in the late sixties. And he used them successfully if you look at how the teams he coached performed.

But just as possession has been the method used by most successful teams for many years, it has been tinkered with. Pep's tikka takka style has been modified with the addition of pace. And forwards pressing.

Our passing last year was good but a lot slower than this. This season has seen more one/two touch football.

But at the end of the day, it is the personnel carrying out any tactics that is the key. For instance, Buendia has added a new dimension to our team with his innate ability.

Bielsa has to accept that his side have performed brilliantly at times but their combined ability does not match ours and while they caught us on the hop at the start of the season our performance at Elland Road proved we have simply better players.

The reason we found Buendia was stats.

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What a joke that Bielsa is!

If Ip****e hadn’t been so unlucky this season and the gods had looked down on them, then they too could have won the league!

Sh1tty Leeds were NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Simple as that! Constant excuses, they can’t accept the reality!

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