Canary Renaissance 5 Posted April 26, 2019 I am not sure of the potential impact of this. Worst case scenario is that it all ends with the EFL deciding to void all Bolton fixtures this season. Whilst the consequential points reduction for Norwich, Sheff Utd and Leeds will be a loss of 6 points for all three clubs, the goal difference change may be important. I think Norwich and Sheff Utd will lose the +5 goal difference as a result of the 3 -2 and 0-4 results (for Norwich) and the 2-0 and 0-3 results for Sheff Utd; the Leeds games against them only resulted in a +2 goal difference bonus for Leeds (2 - 1 and 0 - 1). By my calculation that would mean that Norwich only have a +7 goal difference advantage of Leeds, not the +10 we currently enjoy. I'm sure it won't matter in the end after we beat Blackburn tomorrow (2 - 0)?!?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,703 Posted April 26, 2019 The game will go ahead by hook or by crook- I can't imagine a scenario in which there is no resolution. Has a game at this level ever not been played because of players striking? Hypothetically though, bearing in mind their last two games are against Brentford and Forest who have nothing to play for, I imagine the common sense thing to do would be to award 3-0 wins to their opponents as that would cause far less disruption to the overall table than voiding 44 matches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary Renaissance 5 Posted April 26, 2019 I agree Wacky WIAFTM, sense will prevail but it is unchartered territory. I suspect that Leeds fans will be praying for a hard line from the EFL. Shame! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,140 Posted April 26, 2019 WBA lost to Bolton, how many points are they behind Leeds ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feedthewolf 4,790 Posted April 26, 2019 I also agree with WWIAFTM, and would like to congratulate him on having the best name/avatar combo on the forum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary Renaissance 5 Posted April 26, 2019 Leeds would lose the 6 points as indicated above, so they would have 76 points. WBA would lose just 3 points (given that they won only one of their games against Bolton); WBA would only be 2 points below Leeds (on 74 points) and their goal difference would remain unchanged on 26. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ginja 26 Posted April 26, 2019 This could have implications if we lost both our games and Leeds won both. Leeds beat Bolton 2-1 and 0-1, we beat Bolton 3-2 and 0-4, so if results are void then Leeds would be +3 goals on us That would then require an 8 goal swing e.g. -4 GD to us and +4GD to Leeds, not completely impossible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted April 26, 2019 The game will be postponed, and must be played before May 5th, this will give them time to sort it out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary Renaissance 5 Posted April 26, 2019 Hmmn....More detail now being given on the BBC website. It includes a statement from the Bolton players and the fact that they threaten to refuse to play both of their remaining games. Here is a snip from the statement: "With deep regret, we have decided not to fulfil our remaining fixtures unless we are paid. We understand that this will disappoint our fans and for this we sincerely apologise. "We realise this may be seen as drastic action but we feel we have no other options left. This decision has not been taken lightly and is not a reaction to this one particular incident. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cornish sam 923 Posted April 26, 2019 This really has plumbed new depths... I'm sure that there's a (FIFA?) Rule about if players wages are more than 14 days late they can sign for a new club with no transfer fee, not that I think we'd want any of them.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,531 Posted April 26, 2019 This would cause such chaos not just at the very top of the table but as far as the play-offs and relegation are concerned, so close to the end of the season, that I cannot see Bolton's season being scrubbed. Awarding 3-0 wins is the sensible solution. And would probably avoid the law suits that would almost certainly otherwise follow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth Canary1 91 Posted April 26, 2019 I still thought there was a 75% rule in games played so all results upheld and 3-0 to remaining parties. I'm probably wrong though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CirclePoint 200 Posted April 26, 2019 I’m 100% behind the player’s choosing not to play. With that said, the club should prepare to plays the youth squad players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feedthewolf 4,790 Posted April 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, CirclePoint said: I’m 100% behind the player’s choosing not to play. With that said, the club should prepare to plays the youth squad players. Probably have more chance of winning if they did that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
splendidrush 698 Posted April 26, 2019 1p5wich are praying that there's 2 other Clubs in the same predicament.... 😎 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonyc 5,447 Posted April 26, 2019 The game is now off! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icecream Snow 761 Posted April 26, 2019 Yep, game is off https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48067603 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted April 26, 2019 shouldn't the players union step in here ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted April 26, 2019 1 hour ago, splendidrush said: 1p5wich are praying that there's 2 other Clubs in the same predicament.... 😎 Yes, extra incentive for them to win their final two games ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,531 Posted April 27, 2019 13 hours ago, PurpleCanary said: This would cause such chaos not just at the very top of the table but as far as the play-offs and relegation are concerned, so close to the end of the season, that I cannot see Bolton's season being scrubbed. Awarding 3-0 wins is the sensible solution. And would probably avoid the law suits that would almost certainly otherwise follow. As it happens Bolton's last two games are against Brentford and Forest, neither of which can go down or make the play-offs, and Bolton are already down, so 3-0 results would not affect anything much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,655 Posted April 27, 2019 Cant think there'll be a points punishment this season...but for the players who will be there next season, they would have had to think very carefully about the potential impact next term ...starting on minus 6 pts would scupper any thoughts of automatic promotion before a ball is kicked And in the interests of wanting ipswich to stew in the lower leagues for many years to come, any potential promotion rival being hit with a points reduction isnt good Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 998 Posted April 27, 2019 The EFL are insisting they fulfil both fixtures as they have enough registered players to do so, the U18s would have turned out today if there was no a welfare issue regarding other fixtures they have been involved in...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aggy 739 Posted April 27, 2019 2 hours ago, GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary said: Cant think there'll be a points punishment this season...but for the players who will be there next season, they would have had to think very carefully about the potential impact next term ...starting on minus 6 pts would scupper any thoughts of automatic promotion before a ball is kicked And in the interests of wanting ipswich to stew in the lower leagues for many years to come, any potential promotion rival being hit with a points reduction isnt good We finished ten points clear of third place when we won league 1. To be fair to the players, if they aren’t getting paid, why should they care if they start on minus 6 points next season? And they appear to have left it until there is nothing to play for (either for them or their next opponents) before making such a a threat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Essjayess 307 Posted April 27, 2019 From what seems to be at this current moment in the ongoing muddled affair, Former Watford owner Bassini has bought Ken Andersons 94% share of the club and is ready and willing to pay the players wages for March, but Anderson holds certain paperwork needed for Bassini to be able to legally pay the wages. Its said that Anderson is doing this as he wants a Directorship at the club, so as it stands he is the guy being stroppy and causing this scenario to unfold. Whatever the end game of all this will be, cant blame Remi and his pals for their actions, its a right royal mess up and shows how things can go horribly wrong and also how Delia and our Board got everything wonderfully right less than 2 years ago with our clubs situation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daz Sparks 1,120 Posted April 27, 2019 It's a complete shame to see a Football Club (other than L1pswich) in this kind of state, but come the final whistle this evening, it won't register in my mind much, we will be Premier League! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,703 Posted April 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Essjayess said: From what seems to be at this current moment in the ongoing muddled affair, Former Watford owner Bassini has bought Ken Andersons 94% share of the club and is ready and willing to pay the players wages for March, but Anderson holds certain paperwork needed for Bassini to be able to legally pay the wages. Its said that Anderson is doing this as he wants a Directorship at the club, so as it stands he is the guy being stroppy and causing this scenario to unfold. Whatever the end game of all this will be, cant blame Remi and his pals for their actions, its a right royal mess up and shows how things can go horribly wrong and also how Delia and our Board got everything wonderfully right less than 2 years ago with our clubs situation. And with Bassini taking over, it's out of the frying pan and into the fire. Given his history, I'd be having kittens if I were a Bolton fan. If these are the people looking to buy football clubs, then Delia needs to hold on to our club for dear life. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,655 Posted April 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Aggy said: We finished ten points clear of third place when we won league 1. To be fair to the players, if they aren’t getting paid, why should they care if they start on minus 6 points next season? And they appear to have left it until there is nothing to play for (either for them or their next opponents) before making such a a threat. Somebody at the club with its best interests should intervene. This season is a disastrous write off for them but dont give the EFL an opportunity to allow it to spill over into the next by not fulfilling the fixture. Theyre already down....play an U23 team if thats what it takes...JUST FULFILL THE FIXTURE !! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy 3,232 Posted April 27, 2019 (edited) I remember that young lady Bolton supporter who did that blog when we played them, very nice and intelligent fan, got to feel sorry for them. Edited April 27, 2019 by Indy 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary Renaissance 5 Posted April 27, 2019 Obviously the tense and fraught issues surrounding the sale of the club are the root cause of the current impasse. Given that both the individuals involved in selling and buying the club are mavericks (to say the least), the whole thing is so unpredictable that it could well end up with the EFL having to sort things out through their disciplinary committee. That could drag on past the end of the season. It is almost impossible to second guess what might happen in the short term about the two remaining fixtures. Those currently at the Bolton helm appear to have lost interest. I’m not convinced that the youth players at the club will want to play a part in resolving the issue. There is nothing obvious in the terms and conditions for the EFL disciplinary procedures as to what might happen next, but I’m not a lawyer. I think it’s a case of watch this space. In the meantime let’s get over the line by winning tonight. I’d take a draw, but my heart might not last out if we have to rely on a late late free kick! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
K Lo 219 Posted April 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, Indy said: I remember that young lady Bolton supporter who did that blog when we played them, very nice and intelligent fan, got to feel sorry for them. Was that StuntPegg ? She's brilliant. Such excellent enthusiasm and knowledge about more footballing matters that I know ! Hopefully, also appealing to younger fans and possibly more female ones than others. Her Youtube channel's great although she doesn't speak so highly of "On the Ball City !" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites