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Nigel Worthington has had considerable success for this football club,

i don''t care how god awful we''ve been this season he has earnt the

right to at least try and sort this mess out! He deserves to be given a

chance and the total and utter lack of loyalty towards him from some of

our fans is appaling!

It is extremely difficult coming down from the premiership just ask

ipswich, leicester, wolves, bradford, barnsley, qpr, watford, derby,

forest, coventry, sheffield wed etc all of whom have struggled since

relegation. what we don''t want to do is panic, sack worthington and

then end up in the championship for another decade!!!

Give the man a chance he''s proved he can do it before and i beleive given the chance he''ll turn things around!!!!!

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Give him a chance!?  It''s December 8th!  He''s been given 22 games and we have been woeful (not to mention our failure to stay up in an easier Premiership last season).  Of the 11 clubs you mention who have ''struggled'' 8 those have had big financial difficulties which have hampered their chances of getting back in the top flight.  We don''t have those difficulties. 

If we give him many more ''chances'' we''re going to find ourselves staring at 2 successive relegations in a row

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He has a right to sort the mess out? First ask who has put us in this mess.

All fans are still loyal! Why? If the fans we not loyal, they would have stopped supporting Norwich and just given up. But the fans who are concerned are still here supporting the team/players, believe it or not. Yet we cannot sit on our hands and say Worthington is doing a good job - because he is not and making a right David Brent scenario out of his managerial position.

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Two Sheds shame on you for even responding to the posts of this poor misguided fool, just leave him to his delusions.

We''ll get back to the reality of post Worthy era which is where future reality lies, whether it be Dec, Jan or later, if too late look forward to Div 1 and some positive results for a change.  Need to look on bright side.

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Worthy has had 22 "chances" and has failed to get the desired result 16 times.  Every game is "a chance" to turn this mess around but it is not happening nor looking likely that it will.

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Just who is going to replace worthington anyway? Maybe we could get

Bryan Hamilton back? anyone who thinks that some big name manager is

gonna be even remotely interested has their head in the clouds! We will

not be able to get another manager of Worthington''s calibre!

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[quote user="Thorny"]

He has a right to sort the mess out? First ask who has put us in this mess.

All fans are still loyal! Why? If the fans we not loyal, they would

have stopped supporting Norwich and just given up. But the fans who are

concerned are still here supporting the team/players, believe it or

not. Yet we cannot sit on our hands and say Worthington is doing a good

job - because he is not and making a right David Brent scenario out of

his managerial position.

[/quote]

And of course the players couldn''t possibly be part of the problem. Are

they doing a good job?? I don''t see how you can justify having a go at

Worthy if you''re not prepared to do the same to the players. They are

equally to blame for the current problems.

You''d think with all that sun shining out of their backsides they''d be

able to but in a dazzling performance once in a while!!

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I am with you all the way Wayne, but I do however think that he will call it a day soon ( Monday ? ) as he must be fed up with all this worthy out talk and polls, he will find many offers of a job and come back to haunt all the worthy outers . thank god the board see things clearly, That last comment should get Wiz into action.!!!

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I can understand how coming from Kidderminster can affect your

mental faculties.  But to expect Worthy to get any job offers is a

joke, he has no one managerial asset in his locker.  And is not

one of those mangers who works miracles on a shoestring or digs up

nuggets.  Worthy will be out of a job for many years to come once

it is decided he must go.  The players are not behind him for what

could be many reasons.

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thank god there are still some city fans looking at this situation

rationally! when football teams are under performing the manager is

always first to be blamed football is a team game therefore all success

and equally all failure should be shared equally, the players are not

blameless!

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[quote user="1st Wizard"]Binner Alert!.[/quote]

Once again, a well considered, constructive and balanced comment from 1st Wiz.

He who shouts loudest, eh!!

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[quote user="1st Wizard"]Binner Alert!.[/quote]

Troll Alert!

How clever to use the message options in such a constructive manner 1st Troll [:D]

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[quote user="DumbleDelia is Magic"]

Give him a chance!?  It''s December 8th!  He''s been given 22 games and we have been woeful (not to mention our failure to stay up in an easier Premiership last season).  Of the 11 clubs you mention who have ''struggled'' 8 those have had big financial difficulties which have hampered their chances of getting back in the top flight.  We don''t have those difficulties. 

If we give him many more ''chances'' we''re going to find ourselves staring at 2 successive relegations in a row

[/quote]

If the Board have screwed things up as badly as some make out, how come WE haven''t got big financial difficulties?

Just because it''s difficult for everyone else to re-motivate their players after relegation (how many of the relegated clubs are currently sitting in the top two places?) doesn''t mean we shouldn''t sack Worthington for also having the same problems. We should emulate Ipswich - sack our manager for not taking us straight back up and then hire a lesser manager and have even less success.

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Worthy proved he can get average players to perform above themselves. 

Worthy hasn''t proved he can work with quality players to get them

performing to the level of their ability and beyond, and that why we

got relegated last season and why we''ve struggled this.

We could wait and see, but unfortuantely, i think the time has come for worthy to step aside.

 

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AND WHO SIGNED THESE FAILING PLAYERS???

Who sold a 100% player like Malcky and replaced him with a 5''8" Center back??

In fact the team now is so workmanlike I just struggle too see what any manager could do woth these worthy signed talentless sh**ers.

Gradi''s Ashton 20 goals - in a side that nearly got relegated after he left

Worthy''s Ashton 6 goals - in a side that is looking more like relegation material even with him in the side

WORTHY OUT before its too late

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When a new manager goes to a club he usually is given longer than 22 games to turn around a losing streak.

You want to include last season as well? I think that''s harsh - teams

which stay in the Prem at the first attempt are the exception rather

than the rule. Likewise, few teams bounce straight back up after

relegation. I''m disappointed with the performances along with everybody

else, but sometimes you go through bad patches. It''s not blind faith,

it''s just support. Support for a man who is trying to do his best for

this club.

I protested against Chase, because I believed he was ripping the club

off, destroying a team merely to line his own pockets - I''ve still to

see any figures accurately showing where the money went (consultancy

fees? building costs? nothing itemised, or broken down.). I won''t

protest against Worthington, because I believe he''s honestly putting

his whole effort into trying to improve this club - maybe not

succeeding at present, but trying his best. I still see NCFC as a club,

my club, not just a business. I know it''s your club too

(Wizards and all!), I''m just trying to make you understand why the man

still has my support. I can live with some bad times - we''ve all done

it before - as long as everyone concerned has the best intentions.

This is all starting to sound a bit like a bad Hollywood script, so

I''ll stop. If you can''t agree with those of us still backing the

manager, at least try to hold off on the abuse (as many of you, to your

credit, do). I extend the same courtesies to your anti-Worthy posts,

merely taking issue with facts I think are wrong and being as

constructive as possible in putting the opposite view. Whichever way

this all pans out we''ll be discussing NCFC on message boards for a long

time to come - let''s not have bad blood between us.

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Look at the players he is bringing in??  To be honest the side he has created - no width - no right side - not playing to ashton''s strengths.

He can'' get the best from our good p;layers and has created the opposite of what he wanted to achieve the side has no spirit.

 

BUT the biggest failing is that in the last match at Derby worth looked as defeated as the team when the second goal went in he had no ideas no clue what to do to turn the match around.

He had lost the game in his head and so had the team

Worthy has gone stale - get him out before its too late

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When a new manager goes to a club he usually is given longer than 22 games to turn around a losing streak. Nigel Worthington isnt a new manager..... he has started this losing streak and despite what he has said in interviews in the past few weeks isnt bringing us out of it.

You want to include last season as well? I think that''s harsh - teams which stay in the Prem at the first attempt are the exception rather than the rule. Likewise, few teams bounce straight back up after relegation. I''m disappointed with the performances along with everybody else, but sometimes you go through bad patches. It''s not blind faith, it''s just support. Support for a man who is trying to do his best for this club. since 1995, 33 teams have gone up.. of those 33, 14.. just under half.. have come straight back down.... so they arent the exception rather than the rule.. also, of those teams Bolton, Sunderland, Middlesboro and Charlton all bounced back up on more than 1 occasion.

I protested against Chase, because I believed he was ripping the club off, destroying a team merely to line his own pockets - I''ve still to see any figures accurately showing where the money went (consultancy fees? building costs? nothing itemised, or broken down.). I won''t protest against Worthington, because I believe he''s honestly putting his whole effort into trying to improve this club - maybe not succeeding at present, but trying his best. I still see NCFC as a club, my club, not just a business. I know it''s your club too (Wizards and all!), I''m just trying to make you understand why the man still has my support. I can live with some bad times - we''ve all done it before - as long as everyone concerned has the best intentions. I once wrote an Article about Chase for Y''army.. i agree he was a petty crook who almost killed the club.. but under Robert Chase we got to 2 FA cup semi finals, finished 5th, 4th and 3d in the top flight, and played in Europe.... just what has the current regime acheived since? Also, Colney was Robert Chases idear, built with his money... we have 2nd to none facilities... Carrow Road, on 3 sides is Chases ground.. witht he foundations there already to expand the City stand with a 2nd tier.. true it went pear shaped before the end.. but he is City''s most succesful chairman.

This is all starting to sound a bit like a bad Hollywood script, so I''ll stop. If you can''t agree with those of us still backing the manager, at least try to hold off on the abuse (as many of you, to your credit, do). I extend the same courtesies to your anti-Worthy posts, merely taking issue with facts I think are wrong and being as constructive as possible in putting the opposite view. Whichever way this all pans out we''ll be discussing NCFC on message boards for a long time to come - let''s not have bad blood between us. i think its Noble u stick by Worthy.. but imo he has no fresh idears or abilities, he comes out with the same rubbish after each game and appears to be bringing in Maximum wage for minimum effort.

jas :)

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No the players are not blameless Wayne and I have given them plenty of stick as well but at the end of the day this is his squad, these are his players and the buck rests with him. At the end of the day you can''t replace the entire squad - and if worthington did it I would hate to think what crap we would end up with!

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[quote user="jas the barclay king"]

Nigel Worthington isnt a new manager..... he has

started this losing streak and despite what he has said in interviews

in the past few weeks isnt bringing us out of it.

Since 1995, 33 teams have gone up.. of those

33, 14.. just under half.. have come straight back down.... so they

arent the exception rather than the rule.. also, of those teams Bolton,

Sunderland, Middlesboro and Charlton all bounced back up on more than 1

occasion.
I once wrote an Article

about Chase for Y''army.. i agree he was a petty crook who almost killed

the club.. but under Robert Chase we got to 2 FA cup semi finals,

finished 5th, 4th and 3d in the top flight, and played in Europe....

just what has the current regime acheived since? Also, Colney was

Robert Chases idear, built with his money... we have 2nd to none

facilities... Carrow Road, on 3 sides is Chases ground.. witht he

foundations there already to expand the City stand with a 2nd tier..

true it went pear shaped before the end.. but he is City''s most

succesful chairman.
I think its

Noble u stick by Worthy.. but imo he has no fresh idears or abilities,

he comes out with the same rubbish after each game and appears to be

bringing in Maximum wage for minimum effort.

jas :)

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Thanks for replying jas [:)]

My angle on the 22 game thing was that it is too short a time for

either the incumbent, or a successor, to be judged on. It''s not a

popular view, but I''d have most managerial changes happen between

seasons - everyone would know where they stand and it might dissuade

players from trying to engineer a change if they knew they couldn''t

have a new manager until the end of a season! How many would ''not turn

up'' if it might hit them in their pockets, or lessen their chances of a

good move elsewhere?

It''s a bit crafty to use figures from the start of the Prem in ''95. The

real gulf between divisions only began to widen with the lucrative Sky

TV deals about 5/6 years ago. I don''t have the details, can you tell me

how many came straight back down since 2000? The Mackems & ''Boro

have a better financial position to help them in their

bouncebackability, which leaves Bolton & Charlton as the exceptions

to prove the rule.

I appreciate the clubs most successful period happened in the Chase

years, but it''s the old argument about how much influence he had with

''on the pitch'' affairs. IMO he did well with the managers he appointed

(by the way, Ken Brown must know exactly how Worthy feels at present!).

The River End was financed through player sales, the City Stand by an

insurance company (and it won''t take a second tier without new

foundations being dug behind the existing stand). The Barclay being

redeveloped because of Lord Justice Taylor''s report recommending

all-seater stadia. I don''t think he''d have done it all otherwise

(although it worked nicely by giving Carter''s all the work - seems his

firm may have got some sub-contracting kick-backs as a result).

I''m not striving for nobility, just explaining why I still support

Worthy. I''m not trying to convert anyone, just encourage understanding

where it seemed there was very little. Some people have sound personal

reasons for staying with the boss - it doesn''t mean the rest aren''t

right to ask for change. I''m happy to see how it all pans out. I

suspect we''ll all still be here in 12 months regardless - I just hope

we''re a little happier!

Thanks for your time, off to call ''Time'', but not yet on Worthy!

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