In Dubious Battle 0 Posted December 8, 2005 Nigel Worthington has had considerable success for this football club,i don''t care how god awful we''ve been this season he has earnt theright to at least try and sort this mess out! He deserves to be given achance and the total and utter lack of loyalty towards him from some ofour fans is appaling!It is extremely difficult coming down from the premiership just askipswich, leicester, wolves, bradford, barnsley, qpr, watford, derby,forest, coventry, sheffield wed etc all of whom have struggled sincerelegation. what we don''t want to do is panic, sack worthington andthen end up in the championship for another decade!!!Give the man a chance he''s proved he can do it before and i beleive given the chance he''ll turn things around!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheeky Monkey 0 Posted December 8, 2005 I''m with you Wayne! Lets not give up so bloody easily! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TwoSheds 0 Posted December 8, 2005 Now surley Worth wouldnt have named his son Wayne?Wayne Worthington just doesnt sound right Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DumbleDelia is Magic 0 Posted December 8, 2005 Give him a chance!? It''s December 8th! He''s been given 22 games and we have been woeful (not to mention our failure to stay up in an easier Premiership last season). Of the 11 clubs you mention who have ''struggled'' 8 those have had big financial difficulties which have hampered their chances of getting back in the top flight. We don''t have those difficulties. If we give him many more ''chances'' we''re going to find ourselves staring at 2 successive relegations in a row Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thorny 0 Posted December 8, 2005 He has a right to sort the mess out? First ask who has put us in this mess.All fans are still loyal! Why? If the fans we not loyal, they would have stopped supporting Norwich and just given up. But the fans who are concerned are still here supporting the team/players, believe it or not. Yet we cannot sit on our hands and say Worthington is doing a good job - because he is not and making a right David Brent scenario out of his managerial position. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0peteddMMyyyy0Falseen-USTrue 0 Posted December 8, 2005 Two Sheds shame on you for even responding to the posts of this poor misguided fool, just leave him to his delusions.We''ll get back to the reality of post Worthy era which is where future reality lies, whether it be Dec, Jan or later, if too late look forward to Div 1 and some positive results for a change. Need to look on bright side. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saint Canary 0 Posted December 8, 2005 Worthy has had 22 "chances" and has failed to get the desired result 16 times. Every game is "a chance" to turn this mess around but it is not happening nor looking likely that it will. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
In Dubious Battle 0 Posted December 8, 2005 Just who is going to replace worthington anyway? Maybe we could getBryan Hamilton back? anyone who thinks that some big name manager isgonna be even remotely interested has their head in the clouds! We willnot be able to get another manager of Worthington''s calibre! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DumbleDelia is Magic 0 Posted December 8, 2005 Worthington''s record this season is actually no better than Bryan Hamilton''s the season he was sacked. Norwich have great potential. We would be attractive to a potential manager Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rieg77 0 Posted December 8, 2005 [quote user="Thorny"]He has a right to sort the mess out? First ask who has put us in this mess.All fans are still loyal! Why? If the fans we not loyal, they wouldhave stopped supporting Norwich and just given up. But the fans who areconcerned are still here supporting the team/players, believe it ornot. Yet we cannot sit on our hands and say Worthington is doing a goodjob - because he is not and making a right David Brent scenario out ofhis managerial position.[/quote]And of course the players couldn''t possibly be part of the problem. Arethey doing a good job?? I don''t see how you can justify having a go atWorthy if you''re not prepared to do the same to the players. They areequally to blame for the current problems.You''d think with all that sun shining out of their backsides they''d beable to but in a dazzling performance once in a while!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
First Wizard 0 Posted December 8, 2005 Binner Alert!. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kidderminster Canary 0 Posted December 8, 2005 I am with you all the way Wayne, but I do however think that he will call it a day soon ( Monday ? ) as he must be fed up with all this worthy out talk and polls, he will find many offers of a job and come back to haunt all the worthy outers . thank god the board see things clearly, That last comment should get Wiz into action.!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0peteddMMyyyy0Falseen-USTrue 0 Posted December 8, 2005 I can understand how coming from Kidderminster can affect yourmental faculties. But to expect Worthy to get any job offers is ajoke, he has no one managerial asset in his locker. And is notone of those mangers who works miracles on a shoestring or digs upnuggets. Worthy will be out of a job for many years to come onceit is decided he must go. The players are not behind him for whatcould be many reasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
In Dubious Battle 0 Posted December 8, 2005 thank god there are still some city fans looking at this situationrationally! when football teams are under performing the manager isalways first to be blamed football is a team game therefore all successand equally all failure should be shared equally, the players are notblameless! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rieg77 0 Posted December 8, 2005 [quote user="1st Wizard"]Binner Alert!.[/quote]Once again, a well considered, constructive and balanced comment from 1st Wiz.He who shouts loudest, eh!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fat Barman 0 Posted December 8, 2005 [quote user="1st Wizard"]Binner Alert!.[/quote]Troll Alert! How clever to use the message options in such a constructive manner 1st Troll [:D] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0Amarillo<P><FONT color=#cccc00 size=4><EM> º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ Amarillo ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°<EM><FONT><P>ddMMyyyy0Falseen-US<P><FONT color=#cccc00 size=4><EM> º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ Amarillo ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°<EM><FONT><P>True 0 Posted December 8, 2005 [quote user="DumbleDelia is Magic"]Give him a chance!? It''s December 8th! He''s been given 22 games and we have been woeful (not to mention our failure to stay up in an easier Premiership last season). Of the 11 clubs you mention who have ''struggled'' 8 those have had big financial difficulties which have hampered their chances of getting back in the top flight. We don''t have those difficulties. If we give him many more ''chances'' we''re going to find ourselves staring at 2 successive relegations in a row[/quote]If the Board have screwed things up as badly as some make out, how come WE haven''t got big financial difficulties?Just because it''s difficult for everyone else to re-motivate their players after relegation (how many of the relegated clubs are currently sitting in the top two places?) doesn''t mean we shouldn''t sack Worthington for also having the same problems. We should emulate Ipswich - sack our manager for not taking us straight back up and then hire a lesser manager and have even less success. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lucky green trainers 0 Posted December 8, 2005 Worthy proved he can get average players to perform above themselves. Worthy hasn''t proved he can work with quality players to get themperforming to the level of their ability and beyond, and that why wegot relegated last season and why we''ve struggled this.We could wait and see, but unfortuantely, i think the time has come for worthy to step aside. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0 Posted December 8, 2005 AND WHO SIGNED THESE FAILING PLAYERS???Who sold a 100% player like Malcky and replaced him with a 5''8" Center back??In fact the team now is so workmanlike I just struggle too see what any manager could do woth these worthy signed talentless sh**ers.Gradi''s Ashton 20 goals - in a side that nearly got relegated after he leftWorthy''s Ashton 6 goals - in a side that is looking more like relegation material even with him in the sideWORTHY OUT before its too late Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fat Barman 0 Posted December 8, 2005 When a new manager goes to a club he usually is given longer than 22 games to turn around a losing streak.You want to include last season as well? I think that''s harsh - teamswhich stay in the Prem at the first attempt are the exception ratherthan the rule. Likewise, few teams bounce straight back up afterrelegation. I''m disappointed with the performances along with everybodyelse, but sometimes you go through bad patches. It''s not blind faith,it''s just support. Support for a man who is trying to do his best forthis club.I protested against Chase, because I believed he was ripping the cluboff, destroying a team merely to line his own pockets - I''ve still tosee any figures accurately showing where the money went (consultancyfees? building costs? nothing itemised, or broken down.). I won''tprotest against Worthington, because I believe he''s honestly puttinghis whole effort into trying to improve this club - maybe notsucceeding at present, but trying his best. I still see NCFC as a club,my club, not just a business. I know it''s your club too(Wizards and all!), I''m just trying to make you understand why the manstill has my support. I can live with some bad times - we''ve all doneit before - as long as everyone concerned has the best intentions.This is all starting to sound a bit like a bad Hollywood script, soI''ll stop. If you can''t agree with those of us still backing themanager, at least try to hold off on the abuse (as many of you, to yourcredit, do). I extend the same courtesies to your anti-Worthy posts,merely taking issue with facts I think are wrong and being asconstructive as possible in putting the opposite view. Whichever waythis all pans out we''ll be discussing NCFC on message boards for a longtime to come - let''s not have bad blood between us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0 Posted December 8, 2005 Look at the players he is bringing in?? To be honest the side he has created - no width - no right side - not playing to ashton''s strengths.He can'' get the best from our good p;layers and has created the opposite of what he wanted to achieve the side has no spirit. BUT the biggest failing is that in the last match at Derby worth looked as defeated as the team when the second goal went in he had no ideas no clue what to do to turn the match around. He had lost the game in his head and so had the teamWorthy has gone stale - get him out before its too late Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
First Wizard 0 Posted December 8, 2005 Anybody spot the irony here?.[:D] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syteanric 1 Posted December 8, 2005 When a new manager goes to a club he usually is given longer than 22 games to turn around a losing streak. Nigel Worthington isnt a new manager..... he has started this losing streak and despite what he has said in interviews in the past few weeks isnt bringing us out of it.You want to include last season as well? I think that''s harsh - teams which stay in the Prem at the first attempt are the exception rather than the rule. Likewise, few teams bounce straight back up after relegation. I''m disappointed with the performances along with everybody else, but sometimes you go through bad patches. It''s not blind faith, it''s just support. Support for a man who is trying to do his best for this club. since 1995, 33 teams have gone up.. of those 33, 14.. just under half.. have come straight back down.... so they arent the exception rather than the rule.. also, of those teams Bolton, Sunderland, Middlesboro and Charlton all bounced back up on more than 1 occasion.I protested against Chase, because I believed he was ripping the club off, destroying a team merely to line his own pockets - I''ve still to see any figures accurately showing where the money went (consultancy fees? building costs? nothing itemised, or broken down.). I won''t protest against Worthington, because I believe he''s honestly putting his whole effort into trying to improve this club - maybe not succeeding at present, but trying his best. I still see NCFC as a club, my club, not just a business. I know it''s your club too (Wizards and all!), I''m just trying to make you understand why the man still has my support. I can live with some bad times - we''ve all done it before - as long as everyone concerned has the best intentions. I once wrote an Article about Chase for Y''army.. i agree he was a petty crook who almost killed the club.. but under Robert Chase we got to 2 FA cup semi finals, finished 5th, 4th and 3d in the top flight, and played in Europe.... just what has the current regime acheived since? Also, Colney was Robert Chases idear, built with his money... we have 2nd to none facilities... Carrow Road, on 3 sides is Chases ground.. witht he foundations there already to expand the City stand with a 2nd tier.. true it went pear shaped before the end.. but he is City''s most succesful chairman.This is all starting to sound a bit like a bad Hollywood script, so I''ll stop. If you can''t agree with those of us still backing the manager, at least try to hold off on the abuse (as many of you, to your credit, do). I extend the same courtesies to your anti-Worthy posts, merely taking issue with facts I think are wrong and being as constructive as possible in putting the opposite view. Whichever way this all pans out we''ll be discussing NCFC on message boards for a long time to come - let''s not have bad blood between us. i think its Noble u stick by Worthy.. but imo he has no fresh idears or abilities, he comes out with the same rubbish after each game and appears to be bringing in Maximum wage for minimum effort.jas :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Smith 2,317 Posted December 8, 2005 No the players are not blameless Wayne and I have given them plenty of stick as well but at the end of the day this is his squad, these are his players and the buck rests with him. At the end of the day you can''t replace the entire squad - and if worthington did it I would hate to think what crap we would end up with! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fat Barman 0 Posted December 8, 2005 [quote user="jas the barclay king"]Nigel Worthington isnt a new manager..... he hasstarted this losing streak and despite what he has said in interviewsin the past few weeks isnt bringing us out of it.Since 1995, 33 teams have gone up.. of those33, 14.. just under half.. have come straight back down.... so theyarent the exception rather than the rule.. also, of those teams Bolton,Sunderland, Middlesboro and Charlton all bounced back up on more than 1occasion.I once wrote an Articleabout Chase for Y''army.. i agree he was a petty crook who almost killedthe club.. but under Robert Chase we got to 2 FA cup semi finals,finished 5th, 4th and 3d in the top flight, and played in Europe....just what has the current regime acheived since? Also, Colney wasRobert Chases idear, built with his money... we have 2nd to nonefacilities... Carrow Road, on 3 sides is Chases ground.. witht hefoundations there already to expand the City stand with a 2nd tier..true it went pear shaped before the end.. but he is City''s mostsuccesful chairman.I think itsNoble u stick by Worthy.. but imo he has no fresh idears or abilities,he comes out with the same rubbish after each game and appears to bebringing in Maximum wage for minimum effort.jas :)[/quote]Thanks for replying jas [:)]My angle on the 22 game thing was that it is too short a time foreither the incumbent, or a successor, to be judged on. It''s not apopular view, but I''d have most managerial changes happen betweenseasons - everyone would know where they stand and it might dissuadeplayers from trying to engineer a change if they knew they couldn''thave a new manager until the end of a season! How many would ''not turnup'' if it might hit them in their pockets, or lessen their chances of agood move elsewhere?It''s a bit crafty to use figures from the start of the Prem in ''95. Thereal gulf between divisions only began to widen with the lucrative SkyTV deals about 5/6 years ago. I don''t have the details, can you tell mehow many came straight back down since 2000? The Mackems & ''Borohave a better financial position to help them in theirbouncebackability, which leaves Bolton & Charlton as the exceptionsto prove the rule.I appreciate the clubs most successful period happened in the Chaseyears, but it''s the old argument about how much influence he had with''on the pitch'' affairs. IMO he did well with the managers he appointed(by the way, Ken Brown must know exactly how Worthy feels at present!).The River End was financed through player sales, the City Stand by aninsurance company (and it won''t take a second tier without newfoundations being dug behind the existing stand). The Barclay beingredeveloped because of Lord Justice Taylor''s report recommendingall-seater stadia. I don''t think he''d have done it all otherwise(although it worked nicely by giving Carter''s all the work - seems hisfirm may have got some sub-contracting kick-backs as a result).I''m not striving for nobility, just explaining why I still supportWorthy. I''m not trying to convert anyone, just encourage understandingwhere it seemed there was very little. Some people have sound personalreasons for staying with the boss - it doesn''t mean the rest aren''tright to ask for change. I''m happy to see how it all pans out. Isuspect we''ll all still be here in 12 months regardless - I just hopewe''re a little happier!Thanks for your time, off to call ''Time'', but not yet on Worthy! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites