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1 minute ago, Herman said:

As has been pointed out, the brexiters wanted brexit so we can control our borders, ripped up all our agreements, and have accidentally made our border far less controllable. Ironic really. If only they had paid attention. 

Yes, that's a deep irony. A refugee crisis, emigration of European nurses, doctors and nurses who more than supported our health services (and ironically - using that word again - one helped Boris Johnson when he was in St Thomas' hospital), issues with a shortage of HGV drivers, loss of small industries who now have huge problems with post-Brexit bureaucracy (not needed before), the music industry curtailed, the chaos that is the response to Erasmus, loss of trade in most UK ports, the whole issue with Northern Ireland, customs waits (greater checks at airports - non EU channels - getting worse next year with retinal checks being introduced) and threats to the union. All voted for (largely) by an ageing voter cohort.

I propose this thread is re-named to The Negative Brexit Thread which let's face it will be far more accurate.

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34 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

did you like the open borders ?

You do realise that the borders were/are open to people other than asylum seekers, right? 

I know you hate foreigners, but it was much easier when there was Freedom of Movement for businesses and individuals (such as medical professionals, lorry drivers etc) This contributed to the UK’s economy. Now there is a mountain of red tape that delays things, or indeed some just don’t bother.

Maybe you should actually educate yourself and remove your head from your ar$E rather than assume that every foreigner is some useless layabout.

You have a very simple minded, black and white view that any non-English people entering this country are bad people. Indeed, a lot of them are less bigoted and dumb than you and will contribute more to the UK. Maybe we could ship you out and replace you with individuals that are more inclusive and tolerant of others that are different to them?

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8 minutes ago, (Hoola)Han Solo said:

You do realise that the borders were/are open to people other than asylum seekers, right? 

I know you hate foreigners, but it was much easier when there was Freedom of Movement for businesses and individuals (such as medical professionals, lorry drivers etc) This contributed to the UK’s economy. Now there is a mountain of red tape that delays things, or indeed some just don’t bother.

Maybe you should actually educate yourself and remove your head from your ar$E rather than assume that every foreigner is some useless layabout.

You have a very simple minded, black and white view that any non-English people entering this country are bad people. Indeed, a lot of them are less bigoted and dumb than you and will contribute more to the UK. Maybe we could ship you out and replace you with individuals that are more inclusive and tolerant of others that are different to them?

Don't bother mate. It's utterly futile. 

If you look back over the weeks / months before. Engagement is pointless. Just contradict the "substantive" point and then move on.

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10 minutes ago, (Hoola)Han Solo said:

You do realise that the borders were/are open to people other than asylum seekers, right? 

I know you hate foreigners,WRONG  but it was much easier when there was Freedom of Movement for businesses and individuals (such as medical professionals, lorry drivers etc) This contributed to the UK’s economy. Now there is a mountain of red tape that delays things, or indeed some just don’t bother.  WE NEED ENGLISH PEOPLE DOING THOSE JOBS =NO UNEMPLYMENT 

Maybe you should actually educate yourself and remove your head from your ar$E rather than assume that every foreigner is some useless layabout.  I DO NOT THINK THAT !

You have a very simple minded, black and white view that any non-English people entering this country are bad people. WRONG AGAIN Indeed, a lot of them are less bigoted and dumb than you and will contribute more to the UK. Maybe we could ship you out and replace you with individuals that are more inclusive and tolerant of others that are different to them?

YOU HAVE GOT ME TOTALLY WRONG 

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1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

did you like the open borders ?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-migrant-channel-deaths-b1964294.html

A very quick read here. 

It's educational and you will be far better informed. It's from the Independent and not from a source you'd disagree with. It is also simply factual. It doesn't say Brexit is 100% to blame but it IS a factor (see the notes). It is a simple summary of this awful humanitarian problem.

I think improved education on the matter would benefit you given the nature of posts you make. Then, once read, discuss it with friends and family. Get a second view. Get the input of others.

My view is that that will help you gain some proper respect on this forum. No-one needs to agree with you or you with them but at least you'll not simply post in ignorance.

Once people are educated then they make far better decisions. I can vouch for that for myself.

This is a polite request. 

More reading and research will make you more open minded, will help relationships with friends and family. It's never too late to try and change. Otherwise you may ossify and become more bitter and hardened. 

Unless you like the attention and antagonism here - in order to thrive....in which case there are other things to think about.

 

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Please take Sonyc's sound advice Swindon or you'll just get booted off this forum again.

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3 hours ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

I think the drowning yesterday raises a big question over how diligently the French are tackling people smugglers. Following the capsize and 31 deaths, there have now been arrests of five people smugglers, which begs the question why it should take a tragedy of such a scale to prompt action from French law enforcement against the people profiting from this. 

Because the majority of the smugglers come from different countries.

The Syrian or Iraqi migrants don't walk to France on the off chance. The smugglers start in those countries.

And they are not all leaving from the Calais region.

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26 minutes ago, Herman said:

Please take Sonyc's sound advice Swindon or you'll just get booted off this forum again.

I will not as I've done nothing wrong 

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2 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

did you like the open borders ?

Yes absolutely - it granted us extremely useful and important rights which millions of UK citizens took advantage of every year.

Those rights have been taken away by Brexit and the many problems resulting from that are visible all around you and are not going to go away.

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Then, I didn't suggest you've done anything wrong in my post Swindon Canary. Just the politest requests (I believe so anyway but do tell me if I've overstepped what you think is a reasonable mark) and I was trying to be constructive by posting a link which explains some background. It was just that.

I have to confess that these daily posts make me feel more and more uncomfortable. You feel more and more like you have a victim complex (Google and there are many, many articles) and indeed you actively appear to look for people to make ripostes against you so that you can make the kind of short statements that you do....such as "You're wrong" etc. 

Yet the effect is to derail the subject into being something akin to you versus almost everyone else. 

This is my very last attempt here. I will not engage further but have felt such a responsibility to say something. If I didn't I would berate myself and feel bad. I lost a best friend 6 years ago and barely a day goes past without thinking "if only I had known how bad things were" ...or that I might have done or said something. If my inner voice starts to speak to me, I feel compelled to say things these days. And the nature of posts over these last few weeks has made me worried.

I am a caring sort of chap and whilst I don't agree with your view of the world I do tend to separate a person (who they really are) from their beliefs. It's why I can be fine with absolutely anyone and be neutral as possible. So, I don't want you to feel got at. 

Do look after yourself and just try and take some more responsibility for what you think...mainly and firstly about yourself. If you can find that voice then you won't always be on the defensive with other people.

I get defensive myself at times. We all can do. It's all fine. We are not so important really. I tell myself that most days and the really funny thing is...it's true! We are not much in the scheme of things. 

But don't waste your time with people on a forum and getting upset. Life will still go on even if you stopped yourself from posting.

Remember folk are going through their lives too, everyone had his or her problems and anxieties. It's not just you. Turn a deaf ear or just don't respond of you feel people are disagreeing with you.

Finally, an apology. First, for the length of this post and secondly, if I've come across as patronising or judgemental. It's a risk I've felt I ought to have taken. 

I want people people to get along ultimately.

I even enjoy people disagreeing with me because that's when I learn the most! When I left a former job I asked my staff to write "now F*CK OFF" on my leaving card (a) because it made me laugh and (b) because it may have been near a truth and allowed people to really be carefree.

Brexit is very divisive. I've lost a few friends because I cannot bear to hear what they say about it. I find their world views are alien to my ears. I'm still polite and will still smile but I know inside a true friendship and an honest meeting of minds is never going to be possible.

So, it's hurtful along the way but you can keep your integrity.

You've perhaps been upset by others in life and the forum here is somewhere to play out that upset? If so, it won't ultimately cure that upset. Perhaps there are other forums where people think more like you. It's probably far too 'left' for your liking. I'm guessing so. Yet you'll find Tory voters all over the Pinkun. No-one is always correct.

Anyway, just look after yourself first in the best way possible. I don't like reading angry exchanges all the time. Hence this (rant of a) post! More in life for us all to do. I think too if someone was ill or dying to give an example then EVERY single poster in here would send their love and best wishes. So there is a care for others. Also, care is given by posters replying to you. If you were so unimportant then they wouldn't bother. Think about that Swindon! Rather than think all are out to get at you, you're at the centre of attention. There comes a time though to join the audience.

 

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Sonyc, I think Swindo is a serious wind up merchant and enjoys these debates focusing on himself. He’s made many claims in this thread and others which when questioned have shown him not to be fully truthful. So I can understand how many get frustrated. Me I get appalled with certain claims he made a year or so ago which on a little research was found to be blatant lies. I just don’t have his life views and I certainly don’t buy into his bigoted views of Europeans as I am half Czech myself. I’ve just blocked him, but was interested last few days as he started to claim he was in the navy and in the same background trade as myself but failed to interact when I asked more questions which again make me take him with a pinch of salt.

I’m not sure if anyone has actually met him and can validate if he’s a normal guy with an agenda or otherwise! For me I’m just blocking him and can’t get bothered with it. Just hope he becomes a little more tolerant.

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I am tolerant, I never call people names, I'm the only remainer on here yet everyone disagrees with me I do put up with it, the only thing I don't like is fellow supporters calling me names    

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16 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

I am tolerant, I never call people names, I'm the only remainer on here yet everyone disagrees with me I do put up with it, the only thing I don't like is fellow supporters calling me names    

That’s a lie. I’ve seen you name call on numerous occasions. Haven’t you called Horsefly “Horseflee”? 

We’ve also seen you out somebody’s real identity which led to a lengthy ban.

Probably best to not cry victim when you have been caught out lying (remember your instagram girlfriend), fail to engage in any sort of intelligent debate and openly admit you like to wind up remainers. You demonstrate a laughable lack of self awareness on a daily basis.

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4 hours ago, 1902 said:

Don't bother mate. It's utterly futile. 

If you look back over the weeks / months before. Engagement is pointless. Just contradict the "substantive" point and then move on.

Agreed. I don’t think I’ve ever come across someone on the internet as stubbornly stupid and unwilling to to think outside his echo chamber. I’d be amazed if he is able to dress himself tbh.

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@SwindonCanary

Johnson signs a deal saying we cannot return migrants, now ( presumably advised by Peppa Pig ) he blames the French and wants it out of the deal. Please tell us why he signed said deal ?

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1 hour ago, (Hoola)Han Solo said:

That’s a lie. I’ve seen you name call on numerous occasions. Haven’t you called Horsefly “Horseflee”? 

I called him it once NOT numerous times ! I saw the error of my ways 

I shall not call you a liar, as you did me 

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Since we're on a Parrot theme this captures rather nicely the pointlessness of attempting to rationalise with swindle:

 

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The French should beware of "unintended consequences".

Blocking exports to the UK may inconvenience UK consumers, but may have a more devastating effect on French producers who rely on those exports to keep in business.

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7 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

The French should beware of "unintended consequences".

Blocking exports to the UK may inconvenience UK consumers, but may have a more devastating effect on French producers who rely on those exports to keep in business.

Everybody should beware of 'unintended consequences' but in the case of Johnson it is the intended consequences that are the problem, viz signing deals he never intended to honour.

Clearly you still haven't grasped the relative sizes of the UK market & the Single Market, or that many supply chains to both NI & Great Britain are being re-routed through Ireland - I don't think you will find too many French producers panicking, they all know who is going win this and the other battles that Johnson has started and it isn't going to be the UK.

Amazing, I really thought that the ridiculous 'they need us more than we need them' myth was one that had already been laid to rest but apparently not in your case. Truly you seem to be determined to be the last Brexit idiot still standing.

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A research paper, Movement of Goods Under the TCA from the daily of law by Catherine Barnard show in frightening detail what brexit is doing to the UK. And to it's trade. Far from Brexit being a sudden jolt. It is a slow puncture of loss. As businesses move to the continent, and tariffs hit UK exporters hard. It highlights the stifling burden of post brexit regulation. Four million extra forms per week for exporters. New veterinary checks.Frighteningly the UK is still delaying import checks as they would bring the ports to a grinding halt. So much for controlling our borders.

Line chart of Value of imports and exports (£bn) showing Where UK trade would be had it not left the EUh

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UK had issued almost 1,700 licences to EU boats where they could provide evidence of past fishing activity in UK waters and they  have a contract with the EU over the number of licences being reduced every year , so I see the French continuing  with their protest 

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Not to mention the “temporary inflation blip” claimed now being revised to a longer term issue and the new estimated over 5% where the target was 2%. Any blockades or trade wars will only drive inflation higher costing everyone more for Brexit.

Add to this the 1 million job shortfalls and hit to UK companies who can’t get there products to the market due to lack of workers you have a recipe for an economy with major issues, but at least we have control of our boarders.

Funny though we’re losing skilled workers to other countries and at present replacing them with mass influx around 65% + from areas outside the EU or other Commonwewho most don’t have the skills or foundations needed to replace the skills we’re losing. Before anyone shouts racist, I’m not saying they don’t have the potential but most aren’t here from stable countries but fleeing for a better life.

The days of EU citizens coming here like dentists, doctors, nurses, farm hands, etc who come straight into growing our economy has gone, we now see added pressure of housing, training, educating and health for the incoming immigration system.

Those I know who we’re staunch Brexiteers are still anti EU and I’ve noticed these are also pro Boris even after all his failings and contracts for his mates! But others who are sensible and seen the impact and the way Boris behaves are pro EU now previously pro Brexit, and so anti Boris he’s loathed. So Swindo certainly isn’t alone, if he truly feels this way, they don’t look at the problems now caused nor the future, they still believe Bumbling Boris…..leading us to disaster, we’ll he’s an American and in the same mould as Trump.

Funny I don’t know any remain now pro Brexit!

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Control out borders? Thats why there are record numbers of asylum seekers crossing the channel. And thanks to brexit they cannot be removed. We'll, five have. We cannot control who comes in because EU citizens can travel here on a 6 month visa. Then stay, working in the black economy. As to what comes in. Then it is open borders as the regulations the UK requires cannot be implemented. There is neither the staff nor the infrastructure. And if and when they do get sorted, the delays will cause massive blockage. We cannot even control who leaves. As businesses continue to re-locate to Europe.

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14 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

I am tolerant, I never call people names, I'm the only remainer on here yet everyone disagrees with me I do put up with it, the only thing I don't like is fellow supporters calling me names    

I think you'll find you aren't and weren't a remainer....

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43 minutes ago, Indy said:

So Swindo certainly isn’t alone, if he truly feels this way, they don’t look at the problems now caused nor the future, they still believe Bumbling Boris…..leading us to disaster, we’ll he’s an American and in the same mould as Trump.

I think we're witnessing that weird  phenomena whereby an individual who has invested so much of their personal identity in supporting a particular policy or principle, becomes psychologically incapable of admitting it has proved to be a huge mistake. The stats suggest that those who voted leave who were fairly ambivalent about the vote have now by and large accepted they got it wrong and would vote differently. Brexit hardliners, however, who actually personally identified with brexit, and banged the drum for leave, simply can't face up to their responsibility for the ensuing catastrophe. Bearing in mind that we haven't even begun to experience anything like the full disastrous effects of brexit, it will be interesting to see for how long they can maintain pretending that the Emperor is still wearing clothes.

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Just now, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

I think you'll find you aren't and weren't a remainer....

I'm now a remainer it's you who want to leave and join the EU 

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Just now, SwindonCanary said:

I'm now a remainer it's you who want to leave and join the EU 

So which group are you suggesting the UK remains a member of?

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