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8 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

 

Now go and find out some actual FACTS about the French commitment to the EU. One day you will have to grow up and watch something other than this childish fantasy "channel".

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1 minute ago, SwindonCanary said:

Facts about the French= they are very upset about us leaving as they can't fish in our waters 

except they can

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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/brexit-drop-in-uk-eu-trade-hits-smaller-businesses-as-they-are-forced-to-shun-exports/ar-AAPGFCy?ocid=msedgntp

Brexit: Drop in UK-EU trade hits smaller businesses as they are forced to shun exports

The latest data from the Office for National Statistics shows a second consecutive monthly fall in trade, with the effects of Brexit and the global pandemic resulting in the total exports of goods, excluding precious metals, falling by £1.3bn, or 4.6 per cent in August 2021. This was in part due to a £0.6bn, or 4.3 per cent, fall in exports to the EU.

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3 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

why are they complaining ?

They want more access. While you're at it, perhaps you can tell us why UK fisherman are complaining about brexit. Perhaps you would like to comment on the latest comments from the "lovely"  June mummery.

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On 15/10/2021 at 17:35, Creative Midfielder said:

No, they don't and if you had the slightest idea just how much development aid Poland has had, and is stil receiving, from the EU you would understand why.

There is some similarity though between Brexiteers and the Polish Government - they both believed they can have their cake and eat it::

Brexiteers were stupid enough to believe that they could leave the EU whilst retaining all the benefits that they actually liked about being in the EU - turns out that they were spectacularly wrong.

The Polish Government was stupid enough to believe that they could remain in the EU and keep the cash flowing but not stick to the rules - we'll see what happens but I think you can be sure they won't get away with it but since they are still the 'club' they will undoubtedly strike some sort of compromise and come out of it OK.

What rules are the Polish not sticking to, CM?

Is it the Polish Supreme Court's ruling that  Polish law trump's EU law? Something that the EU won't accept, even though during the Brexit debate we were assured by Remainders that being in the EU doesn't affect our sovereignty. 

Clearly it does. And it matters enough for the EU to threaten Poland with sanctions if the Polish demands Poland First. 

What the pesky Poles forget is that you have to have the economic power of a Germany to ride roughshod over EU rules, the rest better get back in line, or else. Thank goodness we left all that nonsense behind and can govern ourselves. 

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2 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

Facts about the French= they are very upset about us leaving as they can't fish in our waters 

And our fishermen prefer offloading in France. For one thing, they get a better price.

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3 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

Facts about the French= they are very upset about us leaving as they can't fish in our waters 

They are upset because according to the deal that Johnson signed they are allowed to, but like the NI Protocol what Johnson promises or signs up to and what Johnson actually does are two completely different things.

I think you'll find that it isn't just the French but most of Europe, and in fact the rest of the world are pretty unimpressed that agreements signed by the Prime Minister of the UK aren't worth the paper they're written on - especially when we now know that Johnson never intended to honour them even at the point of signing.

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10 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

And our fishermen prefer offloading in France. For one thing, they get a better price.

.....or the Netherlands and yes they do get a better price and not only that they can get them processed and to market whilst still very fresh - something they still seem to having great difficulty doing if they land in the the UK.

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Here is a valuable lesson in Brexit planning. Ireland has secured direct links with Europe as it is easier to bypass England and its waiting queues. Scotland's Greens had a promise to build 2 new harbors and links with the continent, which was magiced away by the SNP who wants to spend 300million to build 2 new ferries for CalMac, as the current ships, also known as box of spanners, are failing regularly.

Stuart Ballantyne is an award winning designer and inventor with a popular global ferry building expertise.

This is his take on COP26 and why it should be cancelled.

https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2021/10/17/an-australian-scots-view-of-cop-26/

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2 hours ago, horsefly said:

They want more access. While you're at it, perhaps you can tell us why UK fisherman are complaining about brexit. Perhaps you would like to comment on the latest comments from the "lovely"  June mummery.

 

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3 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

 

That's definitely your most intelligent contribution for many years.

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6 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

What rules are the Polish not sticking to, CM?

Is it the Polish Supreme Court's ruling that  Polish law trump's EU law? Something that the EU won't accept, even though during the Brexit debate we were assured by Remainders that being in the EU doesn't affect our sovereignty. 

Clearly it does. And it matters enough for the EU to threaten Poland with sanctions if the Polish demands Poland First. 

What the pesky Poles forget is that you have to have the economic power of a Germany to ride roughshod over EU rules, the rest better get back in line, or else. Thank goodness we left all that nonsense behind and can govern ourselves. 

Lol

“No risk of Polexit” from EU, says Polish PM amid Brussels row

You miss the part of the story around what the citizens of Poland think. They consider their version of Farage a complete nutter. The support in Poland for remaining in the EU is massive. Of course you will tell me the Poles want a vote on wether to stay or leave but their reason is different to ours they want to stay.

Asked how they would vote if such a referendum were held now, 64.4% of respondents said they would be in favour of Poland remaining in the EU while only 14.8% would choose to leave. A further 6.7% said they would not take part and 14.1% did not know how they would vote.

I note in Australia or New Zealand you describe a demonstration of 1000 people against lock down as massive, yet when hundreds of thousands of Polish citizens demonstrate against a few in government you don’t even mention it. The will of the people I guess but only when it suits your side of an argument.

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2 hours ago, Well b back said:

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“No risk of Polexit” from EU, says Polish PM amid Brussels row

You miss the part of the story around what the citizens of Poland think. They consider their version of Farage a complete nutter. The support in Poland for remaining in the EU is massive. Of course you will tell me the Poles want a vote on wether to stay or leave but their reason is different to ours they want to stay.

Asked how they would vote if such a referendum were held now, 64.4% of respondents said they would be in favour of Poland remaining in the EU while only 14.8% would choose to leave. A further 6.7% said they would not take part and 14.1% did not know how they would vote.

I note in Australia or New Zealand you describe a demonstration of 1000 people against lock down as massive, yet when hundreds of thousands of Polish citizens demonstrate against a few in government you don’t even mention it. The will of the people I guess but only when it suits your side of an argument.

It won't be the choice of the Polish people if the EU decides to apply sanctions to Poland. And EU MEPs are demanding Van der Layen takes action.

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Ross Clark, Daily Telegraph:

What was that about investment draining away from Britain to the EU after Brexit?   That is not quite how things are working out. According to Dealroom, a website which provides data on finance for start-ups, British companies have raised over $30 billion in funding in 2021, more than twice that they raised last year.  Our tech companies have raised more finance than any other country in Europe and behind only the US and China. Among the successes are Revolut, a banking app company which is now worth $33 billion and Hopin, which organises online events and is now worth $7.8 billion.

Measure investments in start-ups on a per capita basis and two of the top four countries in Europe are outside the EU. First comes Estonia on 1,967 euros per head investment in 2021, followed by Sweden on 1,769 euros, followed by Switzerland on 1,414 euros and the UK on 1,112 euros.   France is on 470 euros and Germany on 440 euros.

True, Estonia’s success shows that EU membership is not incompatible with establishing a fiscal and regulatory environment that is friendly towards starting up tech companies, but it is worth asking what, exactly, has the EU done to stimulate investment in technology? The general story of the past four decades has been: America innovates, while the EU regulates. American tech giants have given us online shopping, social media, smartphones, free telephone calls around the world, videos on demand, the ability to find out information at any time, in seconds, and many other things that we now take for granted.   Meanwhile, the EU has given us privacy laws limiting use of our data, online taxes and in the case of some revolutionary technologies – such as GM foods – an effective ban.

This is not to say, of course, that tech giants do not need regulating. They do, and in some respects US authorities – and European ones, too -- might have been a bit slow in seeing how, say, social media platforms can be used to the disadvantage of society. But one does wonder what the modern world would look like if the US did not exist and the EU was the world’s dominant economic superpower. My guess is that we would be stuck around the early 1990s, with citizens limited to communicating with each other via Minitel – the now long-forgotten proto-internet owned and run by the French government.  It is hard to imagine the EU tolerating the anarchic engine of invention that is the real internet had it not first established itself in the US.

It is remarkable that every single one of the tech giants which have changed the world and have, in the process, displaced gas and oil companies, along with banks, as the world’s largest corporations, are American or Chinese. Europe has not even nearly – so far – produced a FAANG or a Tencent.

Britain’s challenge now is to steer a middle way: one which encourages invention and enterprise, where regulators accept new ways of doing things – but which does not offer opportunities to conmen and fraudsters to operate beneath the radar.  That is not always an easy balance to strike – just look at how online banking has given rise to an epidemic of fraud. But it will be a lot easier for a nimble UK to achieve, freed from membership of a supra-national body whose culture tends to treat innovation as threat rather than opportunity.     

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6 hours ago, nevermind, neoliberalism has had it said:

Here is a valuable lesson in Brexit planning. Ireland has secured direct links with Europe as it is easier to bypass England and its waiting queues. Scotland's Greens had a promise to build 2 new harbors and links with the continent, which was magiced away by the SNP who wants to spend 300million to build 2 new ferries for CalMac, as the current ships, also known as box of spanners, are failing regularly.

Stuart Ballantyne is an award winning designer and inventor with a popular global ferry building expertise.

This is his take on COP26 and why it should be cancelled.

https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2021/10/17/an-australian-scots-view-of-cop-26/

I'm not sure what point you are making. England has had direct links to the Continent (UK is in Europe) and multiple harbours for centuries. There are ferry services, too. Mind you, it's jam tomorrow in Scotland as you say it's only promises and with all the free stuff now available across the border you have to ask where the money for new harbours is coming from. English tax-payers, perhaps?

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Farage’s Shocking Prediction Proven CORRECT when he said 20,000 would make the illegal crossing into the UK

It's now reached 19, 593 !  

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3 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

Farage’s Shocking Prediction Proven CORRECT when he said 20,000 would make the illegal crossing into the UK

It's now reached 19, 593 !  

Umm, 19593 is less than 20000

I'm not sure where Nige made that prediction, or what point you are trying to make with it. Or, since we have left the EU, what it has to do with brexit 

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14 minutes ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

Umm, 19593 is less than 20000

I'm not sure where Nige made that prediction, or what point you are trying to make with it. Or, since we have left the EU, what it has to do with brexit 

It would be interesting to see how many came over pre and post brexit.

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1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

Farage’s Shocking Prediction Proven CORRECT when he said 20,000 would make the illegal crossing into the UK

It's now reached 19, 593 !  

Maybe if we had stayed in the EU, none would be coming. 

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24 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Its funny how Farage still comes into posts. The never man is no more.

The **** was trying to explain Irish history to an Irish journalist. He got his backside a bit of a booting.

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47 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Maybe if we had stayed in the EU, none would be coming. 

Yes  - I couldn't work out quite the point Swindon was making. Doubt he could either. Seems to me Brexit hasn't cured the 'illegal crossing' problem either. Quelle surprise.

Oh well. Nothing new there. 

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2 hours ago, keelansgrandad said:

Maybe if we had stayed in the EU, none would be coming. 

SO YOU ARE SAYING NONE WERE COMING OVER HERE WHILST WE WERE IN THE EU ?      😁

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