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1 hour ago, BigFish said:

Em, who do we believe, Nobel Prize winning economist or @Fen Canary?

 

Haha! I was called a fuc*king idiot by FenCanary for disputing the tripe he posted, so I presume he will call the nobel prize winner and Bank of England "fuc*king idiots" too. 

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51 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

If you look at the whole of Britain you will see it's you lot that are ' left to fly the flag'

Now try saying something that is remotely intelligible.

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Listening to the expected diatribe / pre-amble to Frost's speech explaining how he negotiated such a dreadful hopeless deal (by his own reckoning) I was expecting his resignation. One can hope.

An utter chump chop.

 

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Reading Frost's speech, it does seem more and more suspiciously like they want to trigger Article 16 and once again lie, twist and fudge that it is the EU's fault. 

 

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@SwindonCanary

Why did you have to lie to us about Poland ? You told us you will recall the people of Poland wish to leave the EU, this is, as shown over the weekend a complete and utter fantasy.

A minority of mps managed to get through court whatever it was, however instead of following the Polish nutters ( who made themselves to look like Farage and Johnson ), the people of Poland mobilised on the streets to show their anger that leaving the EU was even suggested. These were not small demonstrations they were 100’s of thousands.

So I ask why did you tell us ‘ the people of Poland ‘ want to leave the EU ?

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A straight forward question for everybody.

I'm totally dismayed that people like Johnson and Frost apparently represent the UK overseas. It's simply shaming. 

Are you ?

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23 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

A straight forward question for everybody.

I'm totally dismayed that people like Johnson and Frost apparently represent the UK overseas. It's simply shaming. 

Are you ?

Put it this way. If this was a book/film about some foreign agents taking over a country and destroying it from the inside it would be deemed too far fetched.

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3 hours ago, Yellow Fever said:

An utter chump chop.

Another thing the Northern Irish can't import!

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33 minutes ago, Herman said:

 

What indeed should we make of Frost's speech............................personally I'm happy to go Michael Dougan's pithy but entirely accurate summary.

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14 hours ago, horsefly said:

Now try saying something that is remotely intelligible.

YOU LOT ARE OUT NUMBERED WHEN YOU COUNT THE  WHOLE OF BRITAIN 

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20 hours ago, horsefly said:

Now try saying something that is remotely intelligible.

Swindo?

 

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7 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

YOU LOT ARE OUT NUMBERED WHEN YOU COUNT THE  WHOLE OF BRITAIN 

Now stop pretending that you can count beyond 10, no one is going to be convinced.

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On 11/10/2021 at 17:08, PurpleCanary said:

Getting back to the Northern Ireland agreement, that triumph of Johnsonian diplomacy...

The danger for the EU was that it would make a concession here and then a concession there, in the mistaken hope that Johnson was negotiating honestly and would eventually settle on something that kept the essence of the deal intact.

Whereas Johnson wants in effect to scrap the entire deal, and would go on demanding more and more concessions, gambling that he was calling the EU's bluff, based on the assumption that it would never go for either of the nuclear options of turning the border ultra-hard or moving it into the island of Ireland.

But for the rolling-concession strategy to work Johnson needs a subtle negotiator, clever enough to fool the best minds of the EU into thinking they are dealing with people as reasonable and pragmatic as themselves. Instead Johnson has chosen Lord Frost, who with his megaphone 'diplomacy' and rejections of offers before they have been tabled makes a bull in a china shop look like something out of the corps de ballet by comparison.

The result, as Eire's Coveney made clear today, is not only that the EU has no illusions about what endgame Johnson wants but is now prepared to say so publicly, instead of pretending to give him the dubious benefit of the doubt.

The EU is close to the end of the road with the UK over the Northern Ireland protocol, accusing David Frost, the Brexit minister, of trying to undermine serious attempts to solve the problem, the Irish foreign minister has said.

Simon Coveney said he had spoken to Lord Frost’s counterpart, the European Commission vice-president, Maroš Šefčovič, on Sunday. They have agreed there would come a point when “the EU will say: enough, we cannot compromise any more”, Coveney said.

Coveney tweeted on Saturday night questioning whether the UK actually wanted “an agreed way forward or a further breakdown in relations”.

The leaked EU proposals go beyond what one might have expected. France apparently is not happy, and I am not surprised. That said, there is no sign of any movement on the role of the ECJ, which Frost and Bojo have turned into the potential casus belli.

A likely explanation is that if these compromises get turned down then that will convince everyone in the EU that the UK has no intention of doing a deal.

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19 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said:

The leaked EU proposals go beyond what one might have expected. France apparently is not happy, and I am not surprised. That said, there is no sign of any movement on the role of the ECJ, which Frost and Bojo have turned into the potential casus belli.

A likely explanation is that if these compromises get turned down then that will convince everyone in the EU that the UK has no intention of doing a deal.

Agree entirely - the EU are not being at all unreasonable it would seem - they never were - just practical solutions to an open border.

So Johnson & Frost. Bluff called -  Are you actually 'negotiating' in good faith or just mendacious, self serving, disingenuous time wasters. I think we all know the answer to that already.

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Oh Dear.

If true - 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/13/dominic-cummings-says-uk-always-intended-to-ditch-ni-protocol-brexit

Then sadly I think Rayner's word 'scum' is very appropriate for the lot of them.

Certainly not anybody I would wish to aspire too. They will have destroyed decades if not centuries of British respect for diplomacy and fair play. Toe rags.

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29 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

Oh Dear.

If true - 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/13/dominic-cummings-says-uk-always-intended-to-ditch-ni-protocol-brexit

Then sadly I think Rayner's word 'scum' is very appropriate for the lot of them.

Certainly not anybody I would wish to aspire too. Thy will have destroyed decades if not centuries of British respect for diplomacy and fair play. Toe rags.

Kiss goodbye to a trade deal with the USA (and many more I suspect).

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1 hour ago, Yellow Fever said:

Oh Dear.

If true - 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/13/dominic-cummings-says-uk-always-intended-to-ditch-ni-protocol-brexit

Then sadly I think Rayner's word 'scum' is very appropriate for the lot of them.

Certainly not anybody I would wish to aspire too. Thy will have destroyed decades if not centuries of British respect for diplomacy and fair play. Toe rags.

I'm pretty sure it is true, not because DC says so although he was unquestionably in the room at the time and though I instinctively wouldn't trust a word he says he is still somewhat more plausible than the serial liar Johnson.

My personal belief has always been that Johnson never ever intended to honour the deal he signed, and I say that for four reasons, all of which were clear at the time of signing or very soon after:

  1. It was an appalling deal from the UK perspective and all the problems Frost is now griping about were known about at the time, that alone I think made it very unlikely the Government would ever implement.
  2. Johnson told a pack of lies to everybody about what the deal entailed but especially to Northern Ireland who were assured that there would be no border in the Irish Sea - Johnson knew full well that there had to be one.
  3. The Government rushed the legislation through Parliament, the most important piece of legalisation for 40/50 years, with absolutely zero scrutiny. A number of his more stupid backbenchers admitted afterwards that they hadn't actually read the legislation they voted for and were furious when they realised that a border in the Irish Sea was a given.
  4. Finally the complete lack of action in implementing the deal - even allowing for the fact that although the EU had implemented the deal ready for day 1, the UK was absolutely nowhere so some grace periods and phasing of the implementation in the UK was agreed - but we haven't even honoured that agreement! The UK is complaining that the deal isn't workable without ever having made a serious attempt at implementing more than a small proportion of it and we were late with that.

Scum is exactly what this government are and sadly, as you say, as far as the rest of the world is concerned they are tarring us all with the same brush.

 

 

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14 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

YOU LOT ARE OUT NUMBERED WHEN YOU COUNT THE  WHOLE OF BRITAIN 

Apparently only 15% of the U.K. feel that Brexit has gone well, so I don’t think any longer these views are a minority.

Any news yet on why you gave us that absolute s*** about the citizens of Poland wanting to leave the EU ? Caught lying again I guess

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8 hours ago, PurpleCanary said:

The leaked EU proposals go beyond what one might have expected. France apparently is not happy, and I am not surprised. That said, there is no sign of any movement on the role of the ECJ, which Frost and Bojo have turned into the potential casus belli.

A likely explanation is that if these compromises get turned down then that will convince everyone in the EU that the UK has no intention of doing a deal.

The revealed full set of proposals include measures to counteract the significant compromises. Stronger checks to ensure goods allowed into NI don't then carry on into Eire, and a requirement that the UK provide real-time info on goods into NI, plus building the border posts the UK agreed to but have so far not built. Trade war here we come...

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Northern Irish business leaders seem to be happy with what the EU have come up with and, with the ECJ involvement not being of major importance to them, that should be the end of that little impasse.🤨

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Apparently on Peston it’s about to be broken that there is a strong ‘ likelihood ‘ of us running out of gas. Why mention it on this thread, well apparently the EU have planned for this and many countries in Europe have 20 times more storage space.

Yet more lies from Boris and @SwindonCanary

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