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2 minutes ago, kirku said:

If you're referring to the current government, their track record on "keeping their word" is absolutely horrendous

To be fair to Boris he’s had a lot on his plate (wedding and raising a new family) since taking over as PM. Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt. Glad Cummins left though as he seemed slightly dodgy especially during lockdown. 

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8 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

To be fair to Boris he’s had a lot on his plate (wedding and raising a new family) since taking over as PM. Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt. Glad Cummins left though as he seemed slightly dodgy especially during lockdown. 

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Just now, kirku said:

Is this parody?

Quite the opposite. He’s prone to the odd gaff but shouldn’t we cut him a bit of slack? He’s led the country on the front foot during this pandemic. Unlike footballers in Project Restart he never turned up when addressing the nation with the latest designer haircut. In fact some days he didn’t even bother combing if you look back at clips. 

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This is all past history - but a lot has been written and analyzed about the Brexit vote quite neutrally.

For instance : -

https://www.jrf.org.uk/report/brexit-vote-explained-poverty-low-skills-and-lack-opportunities

I also seem to to recall that the 'modal' or typical Brexity voter could be imagined as a retired, poorly educated East Anglian. I remember that national view as it is obviously quite local for us!

That said - if you read any of the Brexit analysis its fairly obvious why many of these (not all) would be heavily invested in, and reluctant to change their minds. The unskilled left behind remain the unskilled left behind (looking for somebody to blame) and the economically inactive remain the economically inactive - remote from Brexit issues. Frankly it's in the nature of the beast.

For me - the real interesting thing about the recent poll was that if anything it has turned against Brexit - i.e. the so called mythical benefits just haven't materialized - and many of the frankly rational remainers that could have been persuaded by ANY Brexit successes - well have simply written it off as a dud choice.  

Make the best of it  - yes of course. Doesn't mean it was right.

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2 hours ago, Yellow Fever said:

This is all past history - but a lot has been written and analyzed about the Brexit vote quite neutrally.

For instance : -

https://www.jrf.org.uk/report/brexit-vote-explained-poverty-low-skills-and-lack-opportunities

I also seem to to recall that the 'modal' or typical Brexity voter could be imagined as a retired, poorly educated East Anglian. I remember that national view as it is obviously quite local for us!

That said - if you read any of the Brexit analysis its fairly obvious why many of these (not all) would be heavily invested in, and reluctant to change their minds. The unskilled left behind remain the unskilled left behind (looking for somebody to blame) and the economically inactive remain the economically inactive - remote from Brexit issues. Frankly it's in the nature of the beast.

For me - the real interesting thing about the recent poll was that if anything it has turned against Brexit - i.e. the so called mythical benefits just haven't materialized - and many of the frankly rational remainers that could have been persuaded by ANY Brexit successes - well have simply written it off as a dud choice.  

Make the best of it  - yes of course. Doesn't mean it was right.

I don't swallow Goodwin's analysis of a "left behind" cohort in England being the driver for Brexit. Brexit was an ideological paradigm driven by extreme neo-liberals and grifters like Farage for whom the "left behind", being a little chippy about the idea that even if their lives had improved (as most lives did from the 80s) there were others who had done better (often foreign) and less educated, were useful fools who could be manipulated. This aging demographic is literally dieing out and being replaced by a better educated, more liberal one. It is slow work, as seen by Johnson's support being doggedly around 40% but it is happening.

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6 hours ago, keelansgrandad said:

Going to have to break their promises about tax rises as well.

Yep, Cameron and Johnson are both Blairites. Not conservative at all.

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Sky News reader sums up the ‘apocalyptic’ state of post-Brexit Britain in just 17 seconds

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/foodanddrink/other/sky-news-reader-sums-up-the-apocalyptic-state-of-post-brexit-britain-in-just-17-seconds/ar-AAO5D8d?ocid=msedgntp

So-called "Project fear" turns out to be actual, "project I told you this is what would happen you ignorant, lying bast*ards"

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Polling guru Curtice issues harrowing double independence threat to Boris Johnson

BORIS Johnson's Brexit deal has "fragmented" the Unionist vote, raising the prospect of Sinn Fein's Michelle O'Neill becoming Northern Ireland's First Minister next year in a move that would increase the pressure for a poll on the question of Irish unity, pollster Sir John Curtice has said.

The current situation was one of the consequences of the Prime Minister’s Brexit deal, Sir John suggested.

He added: “By basically selling out on what the DUP wanted for Northern Ireland and accepting the idea of there being checks down the Irish Sea, he basically screwed the DUP and is suffering the consequences.

Referring to Nicola Sturgeon, he said: “It could mean that not only could Boris Johnson face a First Minister in Scotland who wants to get out of the United Kingdom but he could also face a First Minister in Northern Ireland that also wants to get out of the United Kingdom.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1486459/Brexit-news-boris-johnson-northern-ireland-independence-scotland-sir-john-curtice-latest

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On 03/09/2021 at 23:35, BigFish said:

For clarity's sake my point was the debate was pointless and the public are bored of it. That it is not to say that Brexit has been anything other than a catastrophic failure, whatever criteria is used. Suez marked the end of the UK as a world power, although in fact it was only making plain what already in fact the case. Brexit and Afghanistan marks the UK's retreat from the position of a major second order power. Currently we can only accept this until such time as an alternative arrangements can gain support and that will only be possible after further national decline. Only at that point can @PurpleCanary and @Yellow Fever's solutions be implemented. In truth there is no alternative, that is what making the best of it means to me.

BF, I was mainly thinking of Leave voters who have argued that the thing to do now is to work to make the best of it. While I am on, I saw this in Will Hutton's column in the Observer today:

Social scientist Bobby Duffy writes in his subtle and compelling book Generations that we should drop generational myths – that, for example, baby boomers are all selfish, unreflective, hedonistic beneficiaries of the postwar boom.

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There are lots of things we can do about this Brexit, but all start with a new non-Tory government. 

Freedom of Movement

Customs Union

Single Market

Common Currency

European Army 

Reciprocal education

Portable pensions 

Irish re-unification 

All independent ideas that could be debated on their merits and we could choose to adopt any one or all of them.

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44 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said:

BF, I was mainly thinking of Leave voters who have argued that the thing to do now is to work to make the best of it. While I am on, I saw this in Will Hutton's column in the Observer today:

Social scientist Bobby Duffy writes in his subtle and compelling book Generations that we should drop generational myths – that, for example, baby boomers are all selfish, unreflective, hedonistic beneficiaries of the postwar boom.

As you might expect no disagreement here. Interesting article from Hutton, agreed with most that too.

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22 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

Yep, Cameron and Johnson are both Blairites. Not conservative at all.

Whereas Blair certainly was at the end. Cameron was like a Camborne girl, he couldn't say no. Johnson isn't anything more than a sycophant.

 

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The UK is the only country in north west Europe to suffer from declining exports since the Brexit vote in 2016, according to new research.

The House of Commons Library analysis, using IMF data, shows that every neighbouring European country has increased its exports over the past five years except for the UK.

The Commons data shows the UK saw a decline in exports of -5.5% over five years, putting it behind 13 neighbouring countries: Ireland (+48.1%), Finland (+18.8%), Sweden (+15.5%), the Netherlands (+15%), Denmark (+14%), Luxembourg (+13.6%), Austria (+11.1%), Germany (+9.5%), Switzerland (+7.5%), France (+6.7%), Belgium (+6.2%), Norway (+4.8%) and Iceland (+0.8%).

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Taking back control was all about being able to sh*t on our own doorstep if we wanted (despite secretly knowing we didn't really want it), trample it around, find out it we didn't really like it, complain about it and then still manage to blame everybody else...it's the great thing what made this here great country great again. 💩🤣

Still, at least we've now got plenty of flags to help mop it all up.

Apples

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1 hour ago, Mr Apples said:

Taking back control was all about being able to sh*t on our own doorstep if we wanted (despite secretly knowing we didn't really want it), trample it around, find out it we didn't really like it, complain about it and then still manage to blame everybody else...it's the great thing what made this here great country great again. 💩🤣

Still, at least we've now got plenty of flags to help mop it all up.

Apples

Hey Apples! think a bit more laterally, we could stick a flag in each turd and that way swimmers can take avoiding action when they encounter them in our seas and rivers. 

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It's been mentioned many times before, by myself and others, that the government's desperation to do trade deals has lead to agreements that undermine food quality standards and workers rights. Now we find out that Truss has secretly agreed to allow the Australian government to ignore the environmental standards demanded of the Paris Agreement to tackle climate change. This is in direct contradiction to the statement made by Johnson about the deal; so another blatant lie chalked up against Johnson's name, and another proof that brexit has resulted in a race to the bottom for trading standards:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/uk-secretly-dropped-climate-promises-for-trade-deal-with-australia-leaked-emails-show/ar-AAOdAbV?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

The British government secretly dropped a series of climate pledges in order to secure a post-Brexit trade deal with Australia, leaked emails appear to show.

 

Liz Truss, the trade secretary, and Kwasi Kwarteng, the business secretary, decided to "drop both of the climate asks" from the text of the UK-Australia agreement in order to get it "over the line", according to the email from a senior official.

A binding section that referenced the “Paris Agreement temperature goals” was scrubbed from the accord after pressure from the southern Hemipshere country’s government – which has a notoriously weak record on climate action.

The embarrassing revelation comes just weeks before the government is due to host a landmark UN climate conference, COP26, in Glasgow – where it is supposed to ask countries to make stronger commitments to cutting emissions.

Just last month Boris Johnson claimed any trade deal with Australia would, “include a chapter on trade and environment which not only reaffirms commitments to multilateral environmental agreements, including the Paris Agreement but also commits both parties to collaborate on climate and environmental issues”.

The prime minister claimed that “more trade will not come at the expense of the environment”. In June the two countries reached an “agreement in principle” to cut tariffs and quotas.

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"They need us more that we need them".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58484454

UK on course to drop from Germany's top 10 trading partners

 

As a result, German companies have been looking to source goods from EU suppliers instead of UK ones - and this trend is increasing, an expert said.

"More and more small and medium-sized companies are ceasing to trade [with the UK] because of these hurdles," said Michael Schmidt, president of the British Chamber of Commerce in Germany.

They "simply can't afford the extra burden of keeping up to date and complying with all the kicked-in customs rules, such as health certificates for cheese and other fresh products", he added.

 
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Laughing at your neighbours curtains while your house is on fire.

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8 hours ago, A Load of Squit said:

Send Beefy Botham in to do a bit of envoying

 

A rather brutal and vulgar demonstration of just how weak the UK's trading negotiation position is after brexit. We (correctly) wanted climate change clauses to be included in the deal, the Aussies said no, so we caved in. Shameful and pathetic!

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The country is run by complete ******.* To fix a problem that they caused they are going to make bigger problems further on and, if this is to be believed, will actually be very dangerous.

https://news.sky.com/story/hgv-driving-tests-to-be-relaxed-to-help-lorry-driver-shortages-ahead-of-christmas-12404161

"• Tests will be made shorter, with the reversing exercise element removed and the uncoupling and recoupling exercise for trailer tests removed - and they will not have to be tested separately by a third party." WTF does this even mean? Have they ever watched an artic being reversed?

* The first statement won't be shocking to many.

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