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Rishi beaming after the G7 finance ministers meeting but now doesn't want to include some of the banks in the new agreement.

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1 hour ago, ricardo said:

Its the sausages that I feel sorry for.

Perhaps BK8 will buy up the ones that don't make it to NI.

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Meanwhile : I bet there are at least two options that they are not considering ....

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Just watching Peston and I am very confused.

Why is it we signed a deal that the U.K. government are saying the eu don’t understand what they have done. What complete idiots would sign a deal and then try to break it and blame the other side .

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Well it looks like Super Joe Biden BPE isn't going to put up with the Frost/Johnson horse****. 👍

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One only needs to consider the language being used by the two parties to see who has right on their side. The EU simply point out that we are expected to abide by the letter of the law of the deal that we freely signed. Frost makes no reference to law but slings  pejorative tosh about the EU being "purist", and claims the deal "won't wash". 

Here's a little sketch that I couldn't resist posting (guess which character Frost is!):

 

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There's a piece in the Torygraph today complaining that the EU knew the deal wasn't a good one for the UK and they should not have signed it.

Also says the UK signed 'under duress'.

I must've missed the picture of Barnier with a gun in one hand and a pen in the other. 🤣

Sadly some people are going to believe this absolute b0ll0x.

 

 

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29 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

 

There's a piece in the Torygraph today complaining that the EU knew the deal wasn't a good one for the UK and they should not have signed it.

Also says the UK signed 'under duress'.

I must've missed the picture of Barnier with a gun in one hand and a pen in the other. 🤣

Sadly some people are going to believe this absolute b0ll0x.

 

 

Everyone, including and in fact especially Johnson, knew that the deal wasn't a good one and that he shouldn't have signed it.

The under duress bit is, as you say, absolute b0ll0x. Johnson signed it for one reason and one reason only - he made big promises that he could sort out a deal and quickly, he refused to contemplate any compromises to improve TM's very poor deal, so this even worse deal was the only other offer available, and rather than lose face he signed it anyway.

And let's forget that he fought and won an election by trumpeting repeatedly that he negotiated a fantasic, oven ready deal - both total lies as many of us knew then and even to those who voted for him it should be blindingly obvious by now that they were scammed (again).

If it were in any other field than our electoral system then it would be outright fraud but it seems pretty clear after the last couple of years that fraud and corruption are not considered serious misdemeanors anymore, not when they are committed by the Tory party and friends anyway.

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On 07/06/2021 at 14:58, SwindonCanary said:

Boris signed it, but did not realize that the EU would want to punish us by their many checks 

which Boris agreed to unless he was a journalist who cant read. He certainly espoused and wrote some diatribe in his previous jobs, even got fired for it. Tell us why you so admire Kim yong Boris?

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Johnson and Frost- in fact the lot of them - signed a deal with every intention of breaking it.

Simply they are not trustworthy, honorable people. They are the antithesis of traditional British values. Scoundrels.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Yellow Fever said:

Johnson and Frost- in fact the lot of them - signed a deal with every intention of breaking it.

Simply they are not trustworthy, honorable people. They are the antithesis of traditional British values. Scoundrels.

 

 

Scoundrels indeed! 

Is there anyone on this thread who has signed a contract to perform specified tasks, then refused to do them on the grounds that you didn't think the co-signers had the right to expect you to fulfill that contract? ... Thought not! So why on earth does anyone pretend that this is anything other than Frost and Johnson continuing their long record for spivery and lying?

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22 hours ago, keelansgrandad said:

Rishi beaming after the G7 finance ministers meeting but now doesn't want to include some of the banks in the new agreement.

What's wrong with his arms? They look like they are too heavy for his body. 

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Trade Minister says the EU should be more pragmatic.

Definition of pragmatism is dealing with things in a practical rather than theoretical way.

Obviously said Minister doesn't know that definition.

The theory that we will be better off out of the EU.

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On 08/06/2021 at 15:12, horsefly said:

Jesus, is that the best definition you can find? (no link or reference of course). It is not only tediously superficial, but also entirely irrelevant to my point that FOR LEGAL PURPOSES TREATIES ARE TREATED AS CONTRACTS. 

I suggest you go back and read the links I posted when you first spouted this BS. Thicko!

A treaty is a treaty. A contract is a contract. They are not the same thing. 

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2 hours ago, horsefly said:

Scoundrels indeed! 

Is there anyone on this thread who has signed a contract to perform specified tasks, then refused to do them on the grounds that you didn't think the co-signers had the right to expect you to fulfill that contract? ... Thought not! So why on earth does anyone pretend that this is anything other than Frost and Johnson continuing their long record for spivery and lying?

You're still incorrectly conflating a treaty with a contract   

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8 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

You're still incorrectly conflating a treaty with a contract   

How many times do you need to be told that for legal purposes treaties are treated as contracts. FFS I sent you several links explaining this and you still come up with this boneheaded response. 

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24 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

A treaty is a treaty. A contract is a contract. They are not the same thing. 

You are truly thick, just a few minutes researching this would tell you that for legal purposes treaties are regarded as legally binding contracts. Common sense alone would tell you that's why one of the major threats againsts a breach of treaty is to take the offending party to a court of law. Does nothing penetrate that thick skull?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/07/eu-has-powers-to-punish-uk-if-it-breaches-brexit-treaty-experts-warn

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Funny how we were told that we had to abide by the vote but the Government doesn't have to abide by the one MPs voted on.

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7 hours ago, A Load of Squit said:

 

There's a piece in the Torygraph today complaining that the EU knew the deal wasn't a good one for the UK and they should not have signed it.

Also says the UK signed 'under duress'.

I must've missed the picture of Barnier with a gun in one hand and a pen in the other. 🤣

Sadly some people are going to believe this absolute b0ll0x.

 

 

Brexit w⚓s

 

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Oh dear. Meanwhile ... President Macron telling it like it is ... 

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8 hours ago, Surfer said:

Oh dear. Meanwhile ... President Macron telling it like it is ... 

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Anyone thinking the EU will allow the single market to be undermined because Boris and Frosty are upset that their NI protocol scam has been exposed, is living in cloud cuckoo land. There was a very easy way out of this problem, which was to agree to abide by EU food quality and safety standards rather than allow those standards to be lowered for UK citizens. The Tory's desperation to do trade deals with countries wanting to flood our market with sub-standard food made the NI protocol a sine qua non. There is simply no way the EU could tolerate NI becoming a conduit for such food into the SM. Johnson and Frost knew this, they lied about it, and they clearly thought that the deception and its results was a price worth paying. Blame for the current impasse rests firmly on their shoulders.

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I wonder whose sausage Joey will pull.181226382_ScreenShot2021-06-11at16_07_30.thumb.png.8f04f536dee6f56daccb985757707904.png

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Bojo today:

He also said that some EU leaders he had spoken to “do seem to misunderstand that the UK is a single country, a single territory. I just need to get that into their heads”.

Says the PM who renegotiated the  Withdrawal Agreement specifically to put the border in the Irish Sea and split Northern Ireland off from Britain. Unless Biden applies serious pressure this is going to go very pear-shaped.

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On 10/06/2021 at 14:45, horsefly said:

How many times do you need to be told that for legal purposes treaties are treated as contracts. FFS I sent you several links explaining this and you still come up with this boneheaded response. 

No point you trying to slide around this, a treaty and a contract are not the same. 

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1 hour ago, Rock The Boat said:

No point you trying to slide around this, a treaty and a contract are not the same. 

So are you saying it doesn't matter if we renege? You were all holier than thou that the vote had to be respected. But it doesn't apply when you decide it doesn't.

You have fcuked it up and trying to worm your way out by calling for compromise. Wasn't that what many of us called for originally but were told leave means leave.

Well if Britain leaves, it includes NI and checks have to be made. 

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