The Positive Brexit Thread

[A Load of Squit 5,135]

19 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

The European Investment Bank (EIB) will still owe the UK billions of pounds for decades, as indicated by the institution’s chief Alexander Stubb. 

He outlined in 2017 that the debt will be paid back over decades, and may not be fully settled until 2054 !

The sum of the debt is £3.1billion.

On the 31/1/2020 the UK still had to pay the EU £32.9billion, it will be paid in installments over the next 40ish years.

🙂

[horsefly 4,287]

58 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

The European Investment Bank (EIB) will still owe the UK billions of pounds for decades, as indicated by the institution’s chief Alexander Stubb. 

He outlined in 2017 that the debt will be paid back over decades, and may not be fully settled until 2054 !

The sum of the debt is £3.1billion.

Perhaps we can knock the £3.1 bn off the £32.9 bn we owe the EU. That Just leaves us £29.8 bn to pay the EU. You really are quite stupid aren't you!!!

[Well b back 3,190]

1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

The European Investment Bank (EIB) will still owe the UK billions of pounds for decades, as indicated by the institution’s chief Alexander Stubb. 

He outlined in 2017 that the debt will be paid back over decades, and may not be fully settled until 2054 !

The sum of the debt is £3.1billion.

And that’s just Nigel’s pension and repaying the fraudulent expenses claim.

[SwindonCanary 455]

2 hours ago, horsefly said:

Perhaps we can knock the £3.1 bn off the £32.9 bn we owe the EU. That Just leaves us £29.8 bn to pay the EU. You really are quite stupid aren't you!!!

it's not stupid, the idea of knocking it off the money owed would be sensible, but when have you known the EU to be  sensible ?

[Herman 9,717]

18 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

it's not stupid, the idea of knocking it off the money owed would be sensible, but when have you known the EU to be  sensible ?

Man who sets fire to head blames Swan Vesta shocker. 

[ricardo 7,349]

23 minutes ago, Herman said:

Man who sets fire to head blames Swan Vesta shocker. 

Should have bought Bryant & May.

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53 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

it's not stupid, the idea of knocking it off the money owed would be sensible, but when have you known the EU to be  sensible ?

There was the time they discovered that Nigel Farage has been fraudulently misusing election funds so they fined him and sensibly took the money out of his wages.

 

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

17 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Should have bought Bryant & May.

Isn't he in Queen?

[Rock The Boat 1,326]

Seems the EU have p'd off the Swiss, now. Walked out of FTA talks. From the Spectator: 

The Swiss government yesterday pulled the plug on its seven-year negotiation of the EU-Swiss institutional framework agreement. Its failure was driven by familiar issues: freedom of movement and dynamic alignment. Just one year ago, the EU's Brexit negotiators still insisted on dynamic alignment — the idea that Britain would have to follow new EU rules even after it left the bloc. It was only the credible threat of the Johnson administration walking out of negotiations that ended this anti-democratic monstrosity. Every country, the EU included, has the right to restrict market access. But nobody has the right to impose their own legislation dynamically on third countries. This cannot be excused by the idea that, as the larger body in almost any negotiation, the EU has economic might on its side.

[kirku 1,332]

58 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

But nobody has the right to impose their own legislation dynamically on third countries. This cannot be excused by the idea that, as the larger body in almost any negotiation, the EU has economic might on its side.

What an absolutely pathetic argument.

Any party in any negotiation has the "right" to propose whichever terms it wishes, just as the other party has the right to reject those terms. 

The readership of The Spectator seems to be largely made up of simpletons with bewildering delusions of grandeur.

[horsefly 4,287]

7 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

Seems the EU have p'd off the Swiss, now. Walked out of FTA talks. From the Spectator: 

The Swiss government yesterday pulled the plug on its seven-year negotiation of the EU-Swiss institutional framework agreement. Its failure was driven by familiar issues: freedom of movement and dynamic alignment. Just one year ago, the EU's Brexit negotiators still insisted on dynamic alignment — the idea that Britain would have to follow new EU rules even after it left the bloc. It was only the credible threat of the Johnson administration walking out of negotiations that ended this anti-democratic monstrosity. Every country, the EU included, has the right to restrict market access. But nobody has the right to impose their own legislation dynamically on third countries. This cannot be excused by the idea that, as the larger body in almost any negotiation, the EU has economic might on its side.

Laughably naive from the Spectator which is publishing articles and comments it would have once been ashamed to associate with its name. Ask the Northern Irish, fishermen, farmers, dairy producers, SMEs, etc, etc, etc, just what they think of the deal achieved by Johnson after his threat to flounce out of talks. Even the chief negotiator Frost now admits the deal he signed up to is "unsustainable", ie. crap. I wonder if he imagined himself as William Wallace as he bleated "They'll never take our freedom" as he condemned swathes of businesses at the stroke of a pen.

What a shame the UK no longer has the "might" to "pi*ss off" other countries who are now exploiting our pathetically weak and desperate negotiating position. 

Edited May 28, 2021 by horsefly

[kirku 1,332]

Just imagine the mental gymnastics it takes to first buy the line that the EU is a desperately weak organisation that doesn't stand up for itself or its member states yet, magically, as soon as we leave, is an uncompromising brute who uses its disproportionate economic might to try to impose unfair terms on relative minnows. 

You couldn't make it up.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

1 hour ago, kirku said:

Just imagine the mental gymnastics it takes to first buy the line that the EU is a desperately weak organisation that doesn't stand up for itself or its member states yet, magically, as soon as we leave, is an uncompromising brute who uses its disproportionate economic might to try to impose unfair terms on relative minnows. 

You couldn't make it up.

Unfortunately, RTB does make it up.

[Surfer 1,547]

How's that "freedom" going then? 

British tourists pissed at being treated like cattle in Majorca (welcome to the EU)

French tourists pissed at being treated like cattle visting the UK.

I bet Boris and Pritti Patel think it's awfully funny though - these rules don't apply to them.

[Rock The Boat 1,326]

18 hours ago, kirku said:

What an absolutely pathetic argument.

Any party in any negotiation has the "right" to propose whichever terms it wishes, just as the other party has the right to reject those terms. 

The readership of The Spectator seems to be largely made up of simpletons with bewildering delusions of grandeur.

It may have escaped your attention but the Swiss did exactly what you said in the second paragraph. So what point are you making?

Edited May 28, 2021 by Rock The Boat

[horsefly 4,287]

18 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

It may have escaped your attention but the Swiss did exactly what you said in the second paragraph. So what point are you making?

Jesus! You really do struggle to keep up don't you! It was you that said, "nobody has the right to impose their own legislation dynamically on third countries."  Kirku simply pointed out the rather obvious point that the EU has not imposed anything on the Swiss, but made proposals that the Swiss are entirely within their rights to turn down. The stupidity of your claim about the EU "imposing" its rules on a third country is the point Kirku is making. 

[Herman 9,717]

 

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https://www.kentonline.co.uk/ashford/news/huge-brexit-lorry-park-is-as-bright-as-wembley-stadium-247918/

Brexit lorry park in Ashford 'like Wembley Stadium' as residents demand changes to lighting

[SwindonCanary 455]

After reading an article above regarding Switzerland, firstly I have to say Good on them for walking away from a 7 year long debate about a framework for treaties between the two parties

[horsefly 4,287]

31 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

After reading an article above regarding Switzerland, firstly I have to say Good on them for walking away from a 7 year long debate about a framework for treaties between the two parties

Now read this article which argues that the fall out from this bodes very ill for a financial services deal between the EU and UK.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/eu-talks-breakdown-signals-harsher-trade-climate-for-the-uk-after-brexit/ar-AAKtYpy?ocid=msedgntp

Edited May 29, 2021 by horsefly

[horsefly 4,287]

Poor old Swindo finds the article confusing. It really couldn't be much more simple to understand; the breakdown of the Swiss EU deal demonstrated that the EU refuses to let non-EU countries cherry pick access to parts of the EU single market without sharing the costs of that access. Many brexiteers seem to have forgotten that our biggest area of trade, financial services, has yet to be negotiated. The evidence for the Swiss/EU deal breakdown suggests the EU will play hardball, and a FS deal will be even more difficult to achieve than the brexit deal negotiated to date. We are already aware that Frost admits the deal he signed was a disaster, now we face the prospect of an even greater disaster in negotiating an FS deal.

As William Wallace might now say, "They can take our financial Services but they will never take our freedom". Cue our negotiating team, the Judean People's Front Crack Suicide Squad (Brian's final words are most fitting):

 

Edited May 29, 2021 by horsefly

[Surfer 1,547]

It's heading the way of every "people's will revolution" isn't it? The trend towards absolutism is unchecked, purity tests to ensure no compromise is allowed, no possibility of admitting the path they are on is wrong. Consuming the first generation of leaders of the movement with ever more extreme and authoritarian ones. Welcome to France 1791, Moscow 1921 ... London 2021.

Edited May 29, 2021 by Surfer

[Herman 9,717]

To beat the Tories, we must first join forces to beat the electoral system.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/29/beat-the-tories-electoral-system-first-past-the-post

[SwindonCanary 455]

Where would you rather live ?

[How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,182]

14 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

Where would you rather live ?

World

It's done the most in total 😊

[Herman 9,717]

Far enough from Swindo and his ilk but not to far from England. So Germany it is.

[horsefly 4,287]

15 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

Where would you rather live ?

New Zealand. BTW bozo, we ALL live in the world. Can we now have a table ranking countries by numbers of deaths, then ask the same question.

Edited May 30, 2021 by horsefly

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

Where would you rather live ?

Have you got the Dead tables to hand?

The one that the bloke who used to run the country said is full of unnecessary ones.

[Well b back 3,190]

2 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

Where would you rather live ?

Do you have the export figures ?  
You also seem to have left out all the countries that are ahead of the U.K. 

You may also want to tell us the effectiveness of the MRNA vaccines against traditional vaccines.

And by the way the EU will be vaccinated within weeks of us as they are catching us currently by about 1.5 % per day, they have also just purchased ( and will manufacture most ) 1.8 billion Pfizer doses.

This is of course another COVID story and absoloutely f*** all to do with Brexit.

By the way China have vaccinated 95% of those in 10 weeks and are currently approaching 20 million jabs per day. The jab in China is compulsory.

[ricardo 7,349]

50 minutes ago, Well b back said:

 

And by the way the EU will be vaccinated within weeks of us as they are catching us currently by about 1.5 % per day, they have also just purchased ( and will manufacture most ) 1.8 billion Pfizer doses.

 

https://www.politico.eu/coronavirus-in-europe/

They are as far behind as they have ever been.