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3 hours ago, horsefly said:

And do feel free to give us your evidence for that fantasy given that every government body and every credible economic think tank says brexit will cause many years of decline in GDP compared to what it would have been if we were still in the EU.

look back it's on there 

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6 hours ago, TheGunnShow said:

I don't think that's unreasonable, and I voted Remain. A decision of such magnitude will not reveal everything right away and there will be some degree of shock and adjustment as the transitions are made.

However, I'd also say that the true benefits AND drawbacks will be revealed in that time.

It’s interesting looking back wether the NHS 350 million was made up or not, they said it would happen ‘ the day after we left ‘ not ten years later, insinuating therefore the benefits would be immediate.

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2 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

look back it's on there 

Oh dear! you don't have any evidence, as usual. How sad to make up lies on a daily basis.

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11 hours ago, horsefly said:

So that's your considered response to a request asking you what the hell you mean by your incomprehensible claims. And then you have the cheek to whine about people ridiculing you. So let's try and make this as simple as possible:

1. You voted for the withdrawal of the UK from the EU and Single Market.

2. Therefore, you voted for the requirement for a whole set of new regulations (red tape) to regulate the new trading arrangements between the EU and UK.

3. You supported the government's refusal to sign up to an agreement to match the EU's quality standards in order that the UK government could diverge from those standards.

4. Therefore you voted for a brexit deal that required a vastly increased level of regulations and red tape in order for the EU to protect itself from being flooded with imports that fail to meet the quality standards that it demands from its own members.

So, two questions for you:

A. Which part of this very simple and obvious explanation don't you understand?

B. Are you now claiming that you didn't understand the clear consequences of voting for the brexit deal you supported?

 

I voted to never trade with the awful EU ever again and now many others feel that same way, especially companies such as AstraZeneca and Novavax...... 🤣🤗

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1 hour ago, paul moy said:

I voted to never trade with the awful EU ever again and now many others feel that same way, especially companies such as AstraZeneca and Novavax...... 🤣🤗

Well you are a t***.

In addition then it’s ok for America to completely slate AZ, yet the EU are low life’s. 
What you have said is misleading and complete tosh.

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2 hours ago, paul moy said:

I voted to never trade with the awful EU ever again and now many others feel that same way, especially companies such as AstraZeneca and Novavax...... 🤣🤗

Ah! the fake economist suggests we should bankrupt the economy. I suspect that the only people who think that would be a good idea share a room with you in whichever institution you currently find yourself residing.

I didn't realise that as well as being a fake economist you are also a fake spokesperson for two vaccine producers. Wow! you fakers are real busy aren't you. But if I were you I would check with the the HOs of AZ  and GSK to make sure that they really do want to stop trading with the EU, I suspect they are less keen than you are in losing £billions in contracts.

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9 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Ah! the fake economist suggests we should bankrupt the economy. I suspect that the only people who think that would be a good idea share a room with you in whichever institution you currently find yourself residing.

that's a lie !

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5 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

that's a lie !

So you support bankrupting the economy too do you, because that is exactly what would happen if the UK ceased trading with the EU which is the source of 50% of our trade. So very stupid. 

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10 minutes ago, horsefly said:

So you support bankrupting the economy too do you, because that is exactly what would happen if the UK ceased trading with the EU which is the source of 50% of our trade. So very stupid. 

that's a lie !

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14 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

that's a lie !

Really, I understood Brexit would not affect trade with the EU but would also increase trade with other countries, mainly the US. It seems to affect our trading with the EU and the US seem to be in negotiations to sign a free trade agreement with the EU telling us in the process ‘ neither the US or EU will trade with us unless we follow their joint rules ‘.

But maybe I got it wrong.

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Just now, SwindonCanary said:

that's a lie !

You make Homer Simpson look like Einstein! BTW repeating the same stupid line over and over again is typical of a parrot not a canary. Perhaps you should change your name

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4 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

that's a lie !

Try "Pieces of eight" for a change Polly

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10 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

well stop telling lies !

Oh nearly, keep trying "pieces of eight", I'm sure you'll get the hang of it with a bit of effort Polly.

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Disgraceful 😡

Britain has matched just two of the EU’s 13 bans of harmful chemicals since Brexit

News follows several declarations from prominent Brexiteers that the UK’s regulation would be better managed outside the auspices Brussels

Plans to introduce tougher protections for the environment after Brexit have fallen by the wayside, with Britain matching just two of the EU’s 13 bans of harmful chemicals since the end of the transition period, a coalition of green groups warns today.

Despite assurances from Brexiteers that the UK would have more stringent environmental rules after it left the EU, Britain will actually have looser regulations on the use of microplastics, lead in PVC windows and rubber pellets on astroturf pitches, which are thought to be carcinogenic.

Greener UK, a coalition of groups including the National Trust, RSPB, WWF and the Marine Conservation Society, said the UK was now in the “slow lane” on regulating harmful substances, and warned that Britain’s new chemicals regulator was underfunded and understaffed

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39 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

This is a positive Brexit thread NOT a name calling thread, you are sad man.

Opinion | Covid has exposed the myth of European Union solidarity (brusselstimes.com)

The procurement of vaccines was always a decision for individual states, that's why we were able to do so when we were in the EU.

Once again you demonstrate that you voted to leave an organisation that you know very little about.

 

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Not actually a Brexit thing but have you seen the levels of sewage dumping by our water companies @Van wink? A real problem that is being under reported, mostly only by local papers.

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9 hours ago, horsefly said:

So you support bankrupting the economy too do you, because that is exactly what would happen if the UK ceased trading with the EU which is the source of 50% of our trade. So very stupid. 

The refusal to buy EU goods will not bankrupt our economy BUT it will move supply of goods to other areas, mainly from the UK as it rebalances  and gives more business to UK companies, existing and new as we develop outside of the EUSSR. We are already seeing biotech companies such as AZ and Novavax avoiding the EU as they behave agressively towards innocent business in raiding factories and denying exports for legitimate orders.  All good for UK PLC !!

Goods that we cannot supply in the UK will be imported from outside of the EU  ASAP as we rebalance. 

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13 minutes ago, Van wink said:

Disgraceful 😡

Britain has matched just two of the EU’s 13 bans of harmful chemicals since Brexit

News follows several declarations from prominent Brexiteers that the UK’s regulation would be better managed outside the auspices Brussels

Plans to introduce tougher protections for the environment after Brexit have fallen by the wayside, with Britain matching just two of the EU’s 13 bans of harmful chemicals since the end of the transition period, a coalition of green groups warns today.

Despite assurances from Brexiteers that the UK would have more stringent environmental rules after it left the EU, Britain will actually have looser regulations on the use of microplastics, lead in PVC windows and rubber pellets on astroturf pitches, which are thought to be carcinogenic.

Greener UK, a coalition of groups including the National Trust, RSPB, WWF and the Marine Conservation Society, said the UK was now in the “slow lane” on regulating harmful substances, and warned that Britain’s new chemicals regulator was underfunded and understaffed

Well, it is what you voted for...😎

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Just now, Herman said:

Not actually a Brexit thing but have you seen the levels of sewage dumping by our water companies @Van wink? A real problem that is being under reported, mostly only by local papers.

Yep has been a problem for a long time, but getting worse now I believe due to climate change and frequency of high rainfall incidents with surface water run off.We also seem to be building more and more houses, which I agree with, but without ensuring sufficient infrastructure is there for dealing with drainage. We need some massive investment.

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3 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said:

Well, it is what you voted for...😎

is it

 

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7 minutes ago, paul moy said:

The refusal to buy EU goods will not bankrupt our economy BUT it will move supply of goods to other areas, mainly from the UK as it rebalances  and gives more business to UK companies, existing and new as we develop outside of the EUSSR. We are already seeing biotech companies such as AZ and Novavax avoiding the EU as they behave agressively towards innocent business in raiding factories and denying exports for legitimate orders. .

Goods that we cannot supply in the UK will be imported from outside of the EU  ASAP. 

In a thread that contains more than its fair share of hairbrain ideas, this takes the biscuit. Do you really think stopping trade with the EU would not harm us? I give you parts for the car industry as a starter for 10. 

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38 minutes ago, paul moy said:

The refusal to buy EU goods will not bankrupt our economy BUT it will move supply of goods to other areas, mainly from the UK as it rebalances  and gives more business to UK companies, existing and new as we develop outside of the EUSSR. We are already seeing biotech companies such as AZ and Novavax avoiding the EU as they behave agressively towards innocent business in raiding factories and denying exports for legitimate orders. .

Goods that we cannot supply in the UK will be imported from outside of the EU  ASAP. 

Oh dear! you really are the dumbest fake economist there has ever been. You said "I voted to never trade with the awful EU ever again" I would have thought that even the stupidest fake economist would understand that "trade" includes both imports and EXPORTS. I was clearly wrong to think that no one could be so chronically thick that they wouldn't understand this simplest of facts. So refusing to trade with the organisation that accounts for 50% of our trading economy would indeed bankrupt the country you utterly ridiculous xenephobic buffoon.

 

 

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22 minutes ago, paul moy said:

The refusal to buy EU goods will not bankrupt our economy BUT it will move supply of goods to other areas, mainly from the UK as it rebalances  and gives more business to UK companies, existing and new as we develop outside of the EUSSR. We are already seeing biotech companies such as AZ and Novavax avoiding the EU as they behave agressively towards innocent business in raiding factories and denying exports for legitimate orders.  All good for UK PLC !!

Goods that we cannot supply in the UK will be imported from outside of the EU  ASAP as we rebalance. 

You really are sad.

Any news on the US / EU free trade agreement ?

Wheres my link ?

Why do you keep running on about vaccine on the the Brexit thread ? Nothing to do with Brexit ? 
The EU have purchased no Novavax so why would they be concerned in manufacturing it, even though Poland are going to manufacture some for their own use.

Finally hows Alex Belfield today, does he still feel the police were wrong to keep harassing Jimmy Saville ?

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-disruption/half-of-uk-firms-expect-long-term-post-brexit-disruption-survey-idUSKBN2BP1KR?il=0

The Survation survey for London First/EY, conducted in February, found 75% had experienced some disruption, even though 71% said they had felt prepared for the changes.

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“It’s clear that the disruptions to UK trade with the EU go beyond teething problems with the new regime,” said John Dickie, Acting Chief Executive of London First.

“If the government is to champion Global Britain successfully, it must redouble its efforts to fix our trading relationship with the EU.”
 

 

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26 minutes ago, Van wink said:

Disgraceful 😡

Britain has matched just two of the EU’s 13 bans of harmful chemicals since Brexit

News follows several declarations from prominent Brexiteers that the UK’s regulation would be better managed outside the auspices Brussels

Plans to introduce tougher protections for the environment after Brexit have fallen by the wayside, with Britain matching just two of the EU’s 13 bans of harmful chemicals since the end of the transition period, a coalition of green groups warns today.

Despite assurances from Brexiteers that the UK would have more stringent environmental rules after it left the EU, Britain will actually have looser regulations on the use of microplastics, lead in PVC windows and rubber pellets on astroturf pitches, which are thought to be carcinogenic.

Greener UK, a coalition of groups including the National Trust, RSPB, WWF and the Marine Conservation Society, said the UK was now in the “slow lane” on regulating harmful substances, and warned that Britain’s new chemicals regulator was underfunded and understaffed

Disgraceful indeed, but it was always a part of the government's agenda. This is an example of precisely why the government refused to sign up to a clause in the brexit deal that agreed to match EU quality standards. And the price for that refusal is all too evident in the disastrous trading figures for UK exports to the EU. Because we didn't agree to match EU standards a requirement was necessitated for a massive increase in red-tape in order for the EU to protect itself from the import of sub-standard products. We have all seen the twitter feeds picturing business owners standing in front of the 30 plus forms they now need to complete to export their goods to the EU, forms that would have been entirely unnecessary had the government simply agreed to match EU standards.

It is truly a scandal that this government is prepared to sacrifice the economic viabilty of so many of the UK's SMEs in order to subject UK citizens to lower (indeed, potentially dangerous) quality and safety standards.

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