BigFish 938 Posted March 8 1 hour ago, Yellow Fever said: Sensible answers only please. Don't you think you are setting the bar a bit high? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 1,094 Posted March 8 (edited) 2 minutes ago, BigFish said: Don't you think you are setting the bar a bit high? What? For a top economist like PM, surely not!!!! Edited March 8 by horsefly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul moy 235 Posted March 8 2 hours ago, horsefly said: Lucky for them they already have 27 countries (nearly half-a-billion people) to market to, especially as imports from the UK will be nosediving...... etc etc Sure.... LOL I can just see countries such as Romania, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Malta, Cyprus, Greece and Luxemburg making up the shortfall of the fifth largest economy in the world. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 1,094 Posted March 8 1 minute ago, paul moy said: Sure.... LOL I can just see countries such as Romania, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Malta, Cyprus, Greece and Luxemburg making up the shortfall of the fifth largest economy in the world. Perhaps you would like to list the other 19 too! Of course in England we have the mighty economic super powers Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales to take up all the stuff not being sold to the EU. Where did you get that economics degree? You do realise printing a certificate off the internet doesn't count don't you? What a joker you are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 2,148 Posted March 8 31 minutes ago, paul moy said: Sure.... LOL I can just see countries such as Romania, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Malta, Cyprus, Greece and Luxemburg making up the shortfall of the fifth largest economy in the world. Sixth actually. India has overtaken us. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 1,782 Posted March 8 26 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said: Sixth actually. India has overtaken us. India up to fifth, eh! Sounds like that is a country really worth doing a trade deal with. A shame India would insist on the UK allowing in many more immigrants, which obviously cannot be countenanced. The UK didn't leave the EU on the virtuous principle of getting back total control of its borders only to backslide for mere economic gain now did it? 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
How I Wrote Elastic Man 470 Posted March 8 Free The Brexit 5! Not good for beer lovers "The beer managed to get from Budapest across three countries in five days but has been left standing in Stanford le Hope in Essex - about an hour's drive away - for nearly two weeks." How the hell can this be allowed to happen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
How I Wrote Elastic Man 470 Posted March 8 (edited) 29 minutes ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said: Free The Brexit 5! Not good for beer lovers "The beer managed to get from Budapest across three countries in five days but has been left standing in Stanford le Hope in Essex - about an hour's drive away - for nearly two weeks." How the hell can this be allowed to happen This must be fake, right? Pubs not open in the UK? EDIT- Seems like an online event. I presume the pub distributes the beer to the punters, and they discuss online? Or not, on this occasion 2nd EDIT- I guess if I had read the whole article properly, there would have been no need for this post, but then that's what happens when you live in a city where the pubs are open Edited March 8 by How I Wrote Elastic Man 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul moy 235 Posted March 8 26 minutes ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said: This must be fake, right? Pubs not open in the UK? Yup, fake news.... they didn't do the paperwork it appears Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
How I Wrote Elastic Man 470 Posted March 8 14 minutes ago, paul moy said: Yup, fake news.... they didn't do the paperwork it appears No, not fake news, it seems Anyone remember the good old days when the UK could trade without this level of paperwork? Paperwork that wasn't spoken about in 2016 by people advocating to leave? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 1,377 Posted March 8 29 minutes ago, paul moy said: Yup, fake news.... they didn't do the paperwork it appears Was it done by Gove ? See he has been reprimanded by the Statistics Authority for using fake news ( or was it just a lie ) about Brexit and Haulage figures. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 1,017 Posted March 8 32 minutes ago, Well b back said: Was it done by Gove ? See he has been reprimanded by the Statistics Authority for using fake news ( or was it just a lie ) about Brexit and Haulage figures. Fake news, Brexit, Lies. Does Gove know the difference? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 1,094 Posted March 8 1 hour ago, Well b back said: Was it done by Gove ? See he has been reprimanded by the Statistics Authority for using fake news ( or was it just a lie ) about Brexit and Haulage figures. Would that be the same Statistics Authority that reprimanded Johnson for the lie about £350m put on the side of the bus? Well bless my soul it certainly is: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-350m-brexit-nhs-misled-uk-statistics-authority-telegraph-sir-david-norgrove-amber-rudd-a7951711.html "Boris Johnson has been criticised by the head of the UK Statistics Authority for repeating the infamous claim that Britain pays £350m per week to the EU. In a letter to the Foreign Secretary, Sir David Norgrove accused Mr Johnson of a “clear misuse of statistics” after he once again claimed the amount could be invested in the NHS when Britain leaves the European Union." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 1,377 Posted March 8 4 minutes ago, horsefly said: Would that be the same Statistics Authority that reprimanded Johnson for the lie about £350m put on the side of the bus? Well bless my soul it certainly is: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-350m-brexit-nhs-misled-uk-statistics-authority-telegraph-sir-david-norgrove-amber-rudd-a7951711.html "Boris Johnson has been criticised by the head of the UK Statistics Authority for repeating the infamous claim that Britain pays £350m per week to the EU. In a letter to the Foreign Secretary, Sir David Norgrove accused Mr Johnson of a “clear misuse of statistics” after he once again claimed the amount could be invested in the NHS when Britain leaves the European Union." UK Statistics Authority rebukes Gove over Brexit figures Cabinet Office used ‘unverifiable data’ to rebut a Road Haulage Association survey showing export volumes dropped by 68% Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 1,094 Posted March 8 Saw this headline and assumed it was an article about Nigel Farage: "Slug can decapitate itself and regrow its entire body including organs, say ‘surprised’ scientists" https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/slug-can-decapitate-itself-and-regrow-its-entire-body-including-organs-say-surprised-scientists/ar-BB1enEbp?ocid=msedgntp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj11 186 Posted March 8 (edited) Johnson talking out of his ample backside. He has trouble stringing a sentence together. Edited March 8 by dj11 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 338 Posted March 8 2 hours ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said: No, not fake news, it seems Anyone remember the good old days when the UK could trade without this level of paperwork? Paperwork that wasn't spoken about in 2016 by people advocating to leave? anyone remember the bad old days when we used to pay a fortune to the EU and get very little back 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 1,094 Posted March 8 19 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: anyone remember the bad old days when we used to pay a fortune to the EU and get very little back Give us the figures please Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 3,504 Posted March 9 6 hours ago, horsefly said: Give us the figures please I'll help you out there. It was roughly £8billion a year with a return of £400billion of completely unhindered trade. Pretty much a fantastic return for our investment. Well done to Thatcher who helped get this plan moving. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 1,094 Posted March 9 16 minutes ago, Herman said: I'll help you out there. It was roughly £8billion a year with a return of £400billion of completely unhindered trade. Pretty much a fantastic return for our investment. Well done to Thatcher who helped get this plan moving. Cheers Herman! Good old "Thatch" clearly understood the basic principle of investing a sum of money to make a much bigger sum of money in return. Funny how her followers seem to have forgotten this rather simple piece of economics. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 1,094 Posted March 9 It's becoming hard not to believe that Johnson elevated Frost to the Lords and his cabinet with the sole purpose of destroying any chance of a good relationship with the EU, in order to distract from the dreadful deal they signed up to. Mind you, sheer incompetence is an equally plausible explanation. Either way it must be infuriating and devastating for businesses to go from a situation of unrestricted free trade to the current Kafkaesque nightmare. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/frost-urged-to-cool-it-as-tensions-flare-with-brussels-over-brexit/ar-BB1eodGm?ocid=msedgntp Business groups and UK exporters have called on Lord David Frost to step back from his abrasive approach to dealing with Brussels and seek to build a mutually beneficial trading relationship with the EU. Frost’s promotion to Boris Johnson’s cabinet as minister for EU relations has coincided with a fresh deterioration in relations between London and Brussels, particularly over the handling of Northern Ireland. Trade groups whose members have already suffered millions of pounds of losses as a result of new red tape after Brexit, warned that if both sides did not seek to build consensus then lasting damage would be inflicted on the UK economy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 1,522 Posted March 9 9 hours ago, SwindonCanary said: anyone remember the bad old days when we used to pay a fortune to the EU and get very little back And you wonder why people call you a liar? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 338 Posted March 9 14 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said: And you wonder why people call you a liar? In 2018 the UK’s gross contribution to the EU amounted to £20.0 billion Yet in the same year the EU gave us support of only £15.0 billion How can you say that's not true Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 1,017 Posted March 9 37 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: In 2018 the UK’s gross contribution to the EU amounted to £20.0 billion Yet in the same year the EU gave us support of only £15.0 billion How can you say that's not true I know you're a Remainer double agent SC trying to make the Quitters seem even dumber - but just for fairness to them here are the facts. https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/ 8 JULY 2019 The UK pays more into the EU budget than it gets back. In 2018 the UK government paid £13 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was forecast to be £4 billion. So the UK’s ‘net contribution’ was estimated at nearly £9 billion. Each year the UK gets a discount on its contributions to the EU—the ‘rebate’—worth about £4 billion last year. Without it the UK would have been liable for £17 billion in contributions. The UK doesn’t pay or "send to Brussels" this higher figure of £17.4 billion, or anything equivalent per week or per day. The rebate is applied straight away (its size is calculated based on the previous year's contributions), so the UK never contributes this much. The UK’s contributions to the budget vary from year to year, and are forecast to grow towards the end of the decade. They’ve been larger recently than in previous decades. A membership fee isn’t the same as the total economic cost or benefit of EU membership. Being in the EU costs money but does it also create trade, jobs and investment that are worth more? We can be pretty sure about how much cash we put in, but it’s far harder to be sure about how much, if anything, comes back in economic benefits. £350 million a week doesn’t include the rebate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul moy 235 Posted March 9 42 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: In 2018 the UK’s gross contribution to the EU amounted to £20.0 billion Yet in the same year the EU gave us support of only £15.0 billion How can you say that's not true That's remoaners for you. Always in denial... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 338 Posted March 9 22 minutes ago, paul moy said: That's remoaners for you. Always in denial... and always calling me a liar ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 1,094 Posted March 9 1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said: In 2018 the UK’s gross contribution to the EU amounted to £20.0 billion Yet in the same year the EU gave us support of only £15.0 billion How can you say that's not true Well done! Now add to that the figure how much profit business made trading freely within the EU and single market. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul moy 235 Posted March 9 12 hours ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said: No, not fake news, it seems Anyone remember the good old days when the UK could trade without this level of paperwork? Paperwork that wasn't spoken about in 2016 by people advocating to leave? It's simply not worth 15-20 billion a year to avoid a bit of paperwork, have a massive trade deficit , lose a fishing industry and to forfeit the right to control our own destiny etc. Of course remoaners think it is but they are a bit crazy..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 338 Posted March 9 5 minutes ago, horsefly said: Well done! Now add to that the figure how much profit business made trading freely within the EU and single market. how much profit will make business make trading with the whole world ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 1,522 Posted March 9 1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said: In 2018 the UK’s gross contribution to the EU amounted to £20.0 billion Yet in the same year the EU gave us support of only £15.0 billion How can you say that's not true OK, I apologise, you're not a liar you're a simpleton. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
