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1 hour ago, Herman said:

As a lot of people are and will find out the benefits system is not generous at all and with Ian Dunkin Donut's "reforms" it has got worse.

The problems facing recruitment are many fold:

Poor pay (can be sustainable if you do long shifts.)

Seasonal so you may only get a few months guaranteed work.

Very hard work.

Location.

Local housing and facilities.

We have to refigure how we are going to do this. The easy option was to get foreign workers, who would earn far more than back home, put up with short term mass house share and do many hours knowing it would be only be short term. Trying to find Britons that would do this is going to be very hard.

I don’t have an issue with the benefit system becoming more focused, there are too many loopholes in the old system which was far too generous, there must now be a move to encourage the UK mentality to do the work, not rely on cheap foreign workers to the job, that’s what most brexiteers voted they didn’t want foreigners here taking their jobs, so now we have to change things to support the areas of seasonal work which needs workers, British workers!

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2 hours ago, Well b back said:

I can update you in the real world.

As you will know we have a friend working in ICU, the one you insulted on here a few months ago. She was a cancer nurse, but like many was transferred to ICU COVID wards and worked with little specialist knowledge at first, but like many have given everything and learnt as they went along. She is a lovely person who loved life who was known as a family person, her husband and children away from her patients were her world. For several months she lived in a poky little flat away from her loved family, so as to avoid bringing COVID home. When you speak to her on the phone, she rarely mentions her work, but some of what she has mentioned is horrific. I don’t think she is totally broken, but she is exhausted, and we don’t know what’s going on at the back of her head.

She feels the 1% is a total insult, of course they will be earning lots of extra money as there will be huge waiting lists and plenty of extra shifts, but would you work 12 hours per day 7 days a week after what they have been through ? They need a break. To this end she personally will be leaving the NHS and has accepted a job in 3 months time in a private hospital, where she will be paid more with far less responsibility. More worryingly she mentions her friends who are considering leaving nursing and some going abroad where they earn so much more ( yes in The EU as well ).

I know from personal experience that some of the nurses and doctors on their days off have volunteered on the vaccination sites. There is a practice manager on our vaccination site that is not authorised to allocate time to working on the vaccination sites, so he uses his annual leave when we have vaccine to come and volunteer, when this is used he will take unpaid leave.

I would like to think that at worst we will give our nurses and doctors a 2 week holiday and £500 to book a holiday. As an economist you can advise us with your knowledge, but I would think recruiting and training 10’s of thousands of new doctors and nurses will cost a lot more in the long run.

I'm afraid there are quite a few nurses leaving the profession, certainly the NHS, it's not difficult to see why. The 1% offer is an insult, it really is after we all know, but dont fully understand, what nursing staff must have been through over the last 12 months, and will continue to go through. This isnt over yet, we can also look forward! to increased respiratory diseases of all kinds next winter plus Covid. We also have a massive backlog of elective work to catch up on, the excess strain is going to be there for years. We never needed the NHS more than we do now, a lot of it is run on goodwill which sadly has just been blown out of the window.

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50 minutes ago, Herman said:

Oh FFS.

Took the words from my mouth H!!!!

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8 minutes ago, Van wink said:

I'm afraid there are quite a few nurses leaving the profession, certainly the NHS, it's not difficult to see why. The 1% offer is an insult, it really is after we all know, but dont fully understand, what nursing staff must have been through over the last 12 months, and will continue to go through. This isnt over yet, we can also look forward! to increased respiratory diseases of all kinds next winter plus Covid. We also have a massive backlog of elective work to catch up on, the excess strain is going to be there for years. We never needed the NHS more than we do now, a lot of it is run on goodwill which sadly has just been blown out of the window.

Indeed VW even if it is to keep the experienced ( workers if that is the right word ) on board for a couple of years to help with new trainees and to get the backlogs down. The people I know did it for the love of what they do, many were terrified. They weren’t expecting to be rewarded or praised, but of course they also did not know what they were about to witness and experience. They are ( again if this is the correct wording ) dead on their feet but they bought in to being there until the end, and they will see it through. The 1% seems a bazaar gesture and 1 of the defences seems to be, well we have many ready to take their place. They need a break, they need to get their heads back, and spend time with their families. 
So what would be the right thing to do ? As I mentioned a 4 week paid holiday I don’t know but what they have done is turn the NHS against them at the very time they will be needed most, otherwise many more will die from non COVID conditions created by the pandemic.

I do feel however over the coming months these people will be held in the highest of regard in the general population and be given special treatment where ever they go, I just feel 1% creates more problems than it solves.

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35 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

So why are the EU  saying they may have to put a boarder up at the crossing ?

Really! you need these issues explaining for the umpteenth time? WE chose to leave the EU and that necessitates customs checks between the two different markets. If the UK breaks the NI protocol a customs border has to be placed somewhere. Where do you suggest the border be placed if the UK breaks the agreement it signed off in January?

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1 hour ago, Van wink said:

I'm afraid there are quite a few nurses leaving the profession, certainly the NHS, it's not difficult to see why. The 1% offer is an insult, it really is after we all know, but dont fully understand, what nursing staff must have been through over the last 12 months, and will continue to go through. This isnt over yet, we can also look forward! to increased respiratory diseases of all kinds next winter plus Covid. We also have a massive backlog of elective work to catch up on, the excess strain is going to be there for years. We never needed the NHS more than we do now, a lot of it is run on goodwill which sadly has just been blown out of the window.

Nurses chose the jobs that they wanted to do, why should they be any different from other professions? If a person is busy in their work, it's part of the job -- As a chef thought-out the seventies & eighties I did 13 hour shifts 7 days a week -- It was hard, but one didn't instantly get a pay rise - One had to work ones way up.  

Nursing is quite well paid these days, but nowhere near as well paid as the 'Diversity and Inclusion' Managers. Do we really need to pay £72k salaries to people whose growing departments like to do polls and graphs and remind everyone not to be beastly to the minorities? Nay, we don't -- Address and get rid of the high paying non-jobs in the NHS in the first instance before increasing wages elsewhere.

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As a chef thought-out the seventies & eighties I did 13 hour shifts 7 days a week -- It was hard, but one didn't instantly get a pay rise "

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Jools said:

Nurses chose the jobs that they wanted to do, why should they be any different from other professions? If a person is busy in their work, it's part of the job -- As a chef thought-out the seventies & eighties I did 13 hour shifts 7 days a week -- It was hard, but one didn't instantly get a pay rise - One had to work ones way up.  

Nursing is quite well paid these days, but nowhere near as well paid as the 'Diversity and Inclusion' Managers. Do we really need to pay £72k salaries to people whose growing departments like to do polls and graphs and remind everyone not to be beastly to the minorities? Nay, we don't -- Address and get rid of the high paying non-jobs in the NHS in the first instance before increasing wages elsewhere.

Do tell us in which year of the 70s and 80s there was a 900 person death total among chefs as a result of turning up for work. Moron!

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1 minute ago, horsefly said:

Do tell us in which year of the 70s and 80s there was a 900 person death total among chefs as a result of turning up for work. Moron!

Aye, excluding San Marino and Gibraltar, UK covid deaths are the second highest in the world per million 😵

Doesn't look like the lockdowns to help the NHS have worked very well does it, coco? 🤡

The nightingale hospitals never got used 🤔

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3 minutes ago, Jools said:

 

Doesn't look like the lockdowns to help the NHS have worked very well does it, coco? 

 

Spot on, Jools 👍

When you consider who the clowns are that were responsible for implementing them, it isn't a surprise 

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2 minutes ago, Jools said:

Aye, excluding San Marino and Gibraltar, UK covid deaths are the second highest in the world per million 😵

Doesn't look like the lockdowns to help the NHS have worked very well does it, coco? 🤡

The nightingale hospitals never got used 🤔

Jesus! you're so thick, I can only assume you have no input into the healthcare side of your stalag homes. And do stick to answering the question you moron; tell us how many of you brave cooks died as result of turning up to work in the 70s and 80s?

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14 minutes ago, Jools said:

Aye, excluding San Marino and Gibraltar, UK covid deaths are the second highest in the world per million 😵

Doesn't look like the lockdowns to help the NHS have worked very well does it, coco? 🤡

The nightingale hospitals never got used 🤔

BTW moron, since you're so dumb let me help you out. National lockdowns were the result of the Government's failure to prepare for a pandemic (despite the dire warnings of Exercise Cygnus 2016), and its utter incompetence in dealing with the pandemic when it arrived. Japan, South Korea et al managed to cope excellently without any national lockdowns at all. If you require three national lockdown then you have clearly failed the country miserably and disgracefully. Thank God the NHS were there to mitigate the Government's appalling incompetence or the death rate figures would be approaching a US or Brazilian scenario.

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11 minutes ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

Spot on, Jools 👍

When you consider who the clowns are that were responsible for implementing them, it isn't a surprise 

Aye, HIWEM, I never agreed with the lockdowns which were only implemented to 'protect' the failing NHS.

Lord knows how the Labour Party would've handled the pandemic, they've never said 🤪 They would've likely locked the country down completely until the GE 🙃

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9 minutes ago, horsefly said:

National lockdowns were the result of the NHS failure to prepare for a pandemic. 

Allow me to correct your very first sentence there above: 

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1 minute ago, Jools said:

Allow me to correct your very first sentence there above: 

So stunningly thick! You need to be banned from being anywhere near a healthcare environment. Now try answering the question for once in your lifetime. 

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The nightingale hospitals never got used 🤔
 

They were never used as they could not be staffed, I seem to remember a lot of nurses here from Europe were sent packing as they were no longer welcome in our country. Maybe Farage can donate his pension payments to help with the training of new nurses.

 

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implemented to 'protect' the failing NHS.
 

Was that why Farage and Johnson indicated there would be another £350 million a week for the NHS ‘ AFTER WE LEFT THE EU ‘ to put it right ?

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1 minute ago, Well b back said:

The nightingale hospitals never got used 🤔
 

They were never used as they could not be staffed, I seem to remember a lot of nurses here from Europe were sent packing as they were no longer welcome in our country. Maybe Farage can donate his pension payments to help with the training of new nurses.

 

Exactly! And perhaps Jools will donate his Stalag care homes' profits to pay for all the NHS services they use. And then he can free up some tax-payer cash for the NHS by paying his staff a living wage. What a parasite!

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6 minutes ago, horsefly said:

So stunningly thick! You need to be banned from being anywhere near a healthcare environment. Now try answering the question for once in your lifetime. 

I maybe wrong but I thought he claimed when he was positive for COVID that it came about via a test with his job with the NHS. 

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Just now, horsefly said:

Exactly! And perhaps Jools will donate his Stalag care homes' profits to pay for all the NHS services they use. And then he can free up some tax-payer cash for the NHS by paying his staff a living wage. What a parasite!

Ah fair play, maybe it’s a care home rather than the NHS he worked in.

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1 minute ago, Well b back said:

I maybe wrong but I thought he claimed when he was positive for COVID that it came about via a test with his job with the NHS. 

Very likely to be one of his many lies. I suspect he will claim he caught Covid off David Bowie.

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1 minute ago, Well b back said:

implemented to 'protect' the failing NHS.
 

Was that why Farage and Johnson indicated there would be another £350 million a week for the NHS ‘ AFTER WE LEFT THE EU ‘ to put it right ?

Nobody ever stated that £350 million as a total sum per week would go to the NHS...

Could, not would.

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1 minute ago, Well b back said:

Ah fair play, maybe it’s a care home rather than the NHS he worked in.

We've ascertained elsewhere he's quite delusional..

Bowie, Trump....

I suspect he actually lives in a care home hence got a jab etc.

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4 minutes ago, Jools said:

Nobody ever stated that £350 million as a total sum per week would go to the NHS...

Could, not would.

So you mean people were deliberately misled, to respectable people it’s the same as a lie.

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10 minutes ago, Well b back said:

I maybe wrong but I thought he claimed when he was positive for COVID that it came about via a test with his job with the NHS. 

Have had a total of 15 false positive tests, including one on myself, within my homes... 

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The infamous bus that only mentions the NHS in relation to the fabricated figure of £350m. Lies heaped upon lies, just like Farage's adverts about his "new project" supposedly "protecting people from the financial services industry when in fact he is actually working for a financial services company. Brexiteers, liars and spivs the lot of them.

 

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4 minutes ago, Jools said:

Have had a total of 15 false positive tests, including one on myself, within my homes... 

And the tax payer paid for all of them. According to you that makes you a parasite!

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28 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

We've ascertained elsewhere he's quite delusional..

Bowie, Trump....

I suspect he actually lives in a care home hence got a jab etc.

Yep! no doubt you're right YF. He just let slip he was a cook for 20 years and now claims to own a string of nursing homes. Perhaps Bowie loved him so much he coughed up a few million to buy them for him. Best he gets tucked up by nursey and spends the rest of his night surfing his fav QAnon sites.

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3 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Yep! no doubt you're right YF. He just let slip he was a cook for 20 years and now claims to own a string of nursing homes. Perhaps Bowie loved him so much he coughed up a few million to buy them for him. Best he gets tucked up by nursey and spends the rest of his night surfing his fav QAnon sites.

You great lummox 😀

If wit was sh*t you'd be constipated..

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