Jump to content
Jools

The Positive Brexit Thread

Recommended Posts

How long ago was it that Boris described it as an "oven-ready" deal? Fu*ck knows what oven he put it into but the damn thing is still half-baked and inedible.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, BigFish said:

There are no "scallop wars". The Uk negotiated at great length an agreement for trade and cooperation with the EU. The UK wanted to be free of EU regulation, and this agreement ensures that. It was ratified in Parliament. The agreement left the UK free to diverge from EU standards and implemented border controls, taking back control.

All the EU is doing is implementing the agreement.

The UK cannot do the same because the country is a shambles.

It's not only that, throughout Brexit the  INDEPENDENT and the GUARDIAN have always sided with the EU They hate Brexit =left wing 

Edited by SwindonCanary
,

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
27 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

It's not only that, throughout Brexit the  INDEPENDENT and the GUARDIAN have always sided with the EU They hate Brexit =left wing 

You don't say! There was me thinking they both wanted Farage to become King. Thanks for this super piece of info.

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Some people are left-wing. I don't see what the problem is. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
24 minutes ago, Herman said:

Some people are left-wing. I don't see what the problem is. 

I WAS WRITING ABOUT THE PRESS 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

FFS. The Guardian is on the left, the Independent is central.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We envy Britain! Germany's biggest newspaper Bild praises UK's incredible vaccine success and contrasts Boris Johnson's optimistic lockdown exit plans with Merkel's doom and gloom

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
11 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

We envy Britain! Germany's biggest newspaper Bild praises UK's incredible vaccine success and contrasts Boris Johnson's optimistic lockdown exit plans with Merkel's doom and gloom

The equivalent of this would be DusseldorfKanarienvogel quoting The Sun as if it was a trustworthy source of unbiased news.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
14 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said:

The equivalent of this would be DusseldorfKanarienvogel quoting The Sun as if it was a trustworthy source of unbiased news.

Who does not like good news ?¬† ¬†¬†ūüėČ

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

It's not only that, throughout Brexit the  INDEPENDENT and the GUARDIAN have always sided with the EU They hate Brexit =left wing 

You have obviously never read the Guardian, or at least understood it. Larry Elliot the Economics Editor is definitly pro-Brexit and there have been frequent Lexit comments. That is what pluralist media does, it reflects different viewpoints/arguments. I doubt you could point to a equal quest for truth from the Express, Mail, Sun, Torygraph and Spectator. Or those dodgy Youtube sites you believe are so informative.

  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
48 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

We envy Britain! Germany's biggest newspaper Bild praises UK's incredible vaccine success and contrasts Boris Johnson's optimistic lockdown exit plans with Merkel's doom and gloom

image.png.f73fe813c7b7c04d9e410807fcab420a.png

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

We envy Britain! Germany's biggest newspaper Bild praises UK's incredible vaccine success and contrasts Boris Johnson's optimistic lockdown exit plans with Merkel's doom and gloom

As you have been told a million times this is NOTHING to do with Brexit.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
41 minutes ago, horsefly said:

As you have been told a million times this is NOTHING to do with Brexit.

Repeating it a million times won’t convince him Horsey, because actually your statement is incorrect, so why should it convince him? Brexit is a factor in this, which has played to the advantage of the UK, it’s not the only factor, maybe not the most significant factor, but to say it has NOTHING  ( your emphasis ) to do with Brexit is not correct. Try to take a balanced view! 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

9 minutes ago, Herman said:

It didn't have anything to do with Brexit. 

I posted a very good article from the FT several weeks ago describing how the life science sector had been boosted pre Brexit to prepare for an enhanced life outside the EU, the connections and joint working that delivered was an important factor in our development of a response.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Fair points VW. But what people like Swindo and others allude to was that we wouldn't have been able to acquire or supply our own vaccines whilst still in the EU. You, I and many others know this to be false.

  • Confused 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Herman said:

Fair points VW. But what people like Swindo and others allude to was that we wouldn't have been able to acquire or supply our own vaccines whilst still in the EU. You, I and many others know this to be false.

Don‚Äôt dispute that Herman and you are right,¬†but the artist I quoted (previously known as ?) had made a pretty definitive statement which wasn‚Äôt correct. ūüėĀ

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Van wink said:

I posted a very good article from the FT several weeks ago describing how the life science sector had been boosted pre Brexit to prepare for an enhanced life outside the EU, the connections and joint working that delivered was an important factor in our development of a response.

I thInk the issue is the emphasis. Brexit emboldened the goverment to go it alone in many things whether or not it made a lot of sense at the time just to demonstrate it was out of the EU and be different. Had we been staying it's quite likely we would of done the same or indeed argued and persuaded the EU to move differently with us. To be fair the EU were badly let down by AZ local production - that situation could just of easily of been reversed and we would of been short. Another example of us trying to do our own thing right or wrong might be the Galileo replacement or indeed other pan European bodies many of which it appears we've cut our nose off to spite our face.

So the vaccine procurement is truthfully not a function of Brexit but Brexit forms a backdrop for the decisions some good and some bad. You win some and lose some.

All of this however doesn’t stop the average Brexiteer trying to sell it as a Brexit success however tenuous. After all they don't have much (if anything) else to shout about - the rest is damage limitation.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

I thInk the issue is the emphasis.

Which is exactly what I said YF

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Van wink said:

Which is exactly what I said YF

But its the emphasis the Brexiteers put on it as well. Brexit is at a tangent to the vaccine issue.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 hours ago, BigFish said:

Burchill's career arc, and that of her former fellow traveller Toby Young and ex-hisbandTony Parsons, illustrates a wider truth behind the post-truth view that the media is left wing. Her contrarian ironic columns in the Guardian and the Modern Review provided an interesting counterpoint to prevailing views. However, this kind of writing is now easily churned out by any right wing hack in the Torygraph, Mail, Sun or Express. It is just boring. More relevant it reflects the majority view/hacks career path making the idea that the MSM is leftwing totally ridiculous. Finally, it is of course based on falsehoods.

Translation:

Julie Birchill is yet another leftie who has seen the light and left the room

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

33 minutes ago, Van wink said:

Don‚Äôt dispute that Herman and you are right,¬†but the artist I quoted (previously known as ?) had made a pretty definitive statement which wasn‚Äôt correct. ūüėĀ

To be fair it is 99% nothing to do with brexit while 1% to do with brexit. It is the homeopathy of brexit arguments.ūüėČ

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, Herman said:

To be fair it is 99% nothing to do with brexit while 1% to do with brexit. It is the homeopathy of brexit arguments.ūüėČ

Well thats an opinion, I dont agree with it though, haven't noticed homeopathic remedies featuring high on the therapeutics for CV19 yet¬†ūüėČ

Edited by Van wink

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Van wink said:

Repeating it a million times won’t convince him Horsey, because actually your statement is incorrect, so why should it convince him? Brexit is a factor in this, which has played to the advantage of the UK, it’s not the only factor, maybe not the most significant factor, but to say it has NOTHING  ( your emphasis ) to do with Brexit is not correct. Try to take a balanced view! 

Perhaps, Winkie, you should tell that to both Dr Judith Raine, head of the MHRA responsible for authorising the vaccine,, and Kate Bingham, head of the body responsible for the vaccine roll-out. They both said that brexit had NOTHING to do with the approval and roll-out of the vaccine. I'm sure they would be interested in your alternative  expert view.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Perhaps, Winkie, you should tell that to both Dr Judith Raine, head of the MHRA responsible for authorising the vaccine,, and Kate Bingham, head of the body responsible for the vaccine roll-out. They both said that brexit had NOTHING to do with the approval and roll-out of the vaccine. I'm sure they would be interested in your alternative  expert view.

Thank goodness for that, as they are of course correct. ( you wouldn't be one for creating straw men arguments would you Horsey¬†ūüėÉ)

Edited by Van wink

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×
×
  • Create New...