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Yeah but, they are good British unelected bureaucrats. Much better to have our own than those foreign unelected bureaucrats.

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3 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Hows the quid doing Fishy?😉😁

Its just that I' still hanging onto these holiday dollars and Euro's hoping to have a touch when they go to parity😉😁

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19 hours ago, paul moy said:

Again, it is irrelevant.   Jersey make their own decisions, have a population of 180K, and are a totally different demographic to the UK.  😂 You really are clutching at straws....

We do not have a labour shortage in the short term as we are going to have very many UK people looking for work after furlough ends.  Hopefully, though we will have eventually as it will mean that the economy is thriving.  

Why did they decide not to employ people on their doorstep who need work but don't need permits, and instead get labour from the Philippines?Straightforward question

And where the hell did you get that population figure from, its nowhere near that high

 

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5 minutes ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

And where the hell did you get that population figure from, its nowhere near that high

He says he's an economist so surely he has his numbers right. And we surely all know how easy it is for farmers to employ unemployed UK citizens, they're desperate to get onto the fields.

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16 minutes ago, horsefly said:

He says he's an economist so surely he has his numbers right. And we surely all know how easy it is for farmers to employ unemployed UK citizens, they're desperate to get onto the fields.

I think he has confused Jersey with the whole of the Channel Islands 

He is correct that Jersey can make its own decisions...the question is why did it, or its farmers, not seek to employ from the UK 

It will be interesting to see where UK farms gets its labour from in the spring and summer. Covid still likely to be affecting things this year, it might take until next year to get a better idea of how it will go long term 

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1 hour ago, Herman said:

Yeah but, they are good British unelected bureaucrats. Much better to have our own than those foreign unelected bureaucrats.

Another adviser quits. How many has he got?

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42 minutes ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

I think he has confused Jersey with the whole of the Channel Islands 

He is correct that Jersey can make its own decisions...the question is why did it, or its farmers, not seek to employ from the UK 

It will be interesting to see where UK farms gets its labour from in the spring and summer. Covid still likely to be affecting things this year, it might take until next year to get a better idea of how it will go long term 

Maybe Paul thinks Jersey is like Cuba and they all go out at weekends to cut cane.

I really don't know why he keeps volunteering people to work. If he is in finance then he is as much use as a Tasmanian Donkey to the economy.

Big debate on CNN about shorting in light of the Robin Hood/Gamestop incident.

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3 hours ago, ricardo said:

Its just that I' still hanging onto these holiday dollars and Euro's hoping to have a touch when they go to parity😉😁

Looks like you wont get the Brexit bonus 😀

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18 hours ago, ricardo said:

Its just that I' still hanging onto these holiday dollars and Euro's hoping to have a touch when they go to parity😉😁

Amusing as it may be to refer back to rather rash posts from years ago, and it is, is this a serious claim that the £'s value is positive indicator of the UK's welbeing?

It is totally unsurprising that the UK has had the largest fall in economic output and the highest death rate of any comparable country. The reason can be found in the three big drags on the economy: Covid, Brexit & ten years of Conservative austerity. The economy was already hollowed out before Brexit and Covid with low wages, low skills, low investment, declining public services and  rising inequality.

Many refuse to except this and hide behind the virus and it's impacts. Sunak is shielding this with massive public borrowing. The markets are betting on the vaccine rollout bringing the UK a earlier recovery than other nations led by a consumer boom of pent up demand. For reasons above this is likely to be short lived and rather make the economy worse rather than better.

As soon as Sunak stops the furlough scheme redundancies will let rip. Those without savings will suffer most and inequality will rise. The negative impact of Brexit on UK productivity will then be more evident.  Other nations will catch up vaccine wise and an over valued £ will only hinder UK exporters who are already struggling with the massive increase of paperwork when trading with the UK's major partner.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55986606

How European businesses are adapting to Brexit

This is the only country in the world handling taxes in this manner and that's the main problem. It's an individual thing done by the UK and nowhere else in the world.

British red tape stifling business. EU companies find it much easier to export to other countries in the world. 

 

 

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21 hours ago, BigFish said:

Amusing as it may be to refer back to rather rash posts from years ago, and it is, is this a serious claim that the £'s value is positive indicator of the UK's welbeing?

It is totally unsurprising that the UK has had the largest fall in economic output and the highest death rate of any comparable country. The reason can be found in the three big drags on the economy: Covid, Brexit & ten years of Conservative austerity. The economy was already hollowed out before Brexit and Covid with low wages, low skills, low investment, declining public services and  rising inequality.

Many refuse to except this and hide behind the virus and it's impacts. Sunak is shielding this with massive public borrowing. The markets are betting on the vaccine rollout bringing the UK a earlier recovery than other nations led by a consumer boom of pent up demand. For reasons above this is likely to be short lived and rather make the economy worse rather than better.

As soon as Sunak stops the furlough scheme redundancies will let rip. Those without savings will suffer most and inequality will rise. The negative impact of Brexit on UK productivity will then be more evident.  Other nations will catch up vaccine wise and an over valued £ will only hinder UK exporters who are already struggling with the massive increase of paperwork when trading with the UK's major partner.

Yes. Ricardo’s ‘You can’t put a price on sovereignty’ was wrong any way you looked at it. It might have made sense if the UK had actually lost its sovereignty, but as the government itself admitted, the UK had kept its sovereign virtue intact throughout its membership of the EU.

I won’t be around to see it but 2066 will mark the  one-thousandth anniversary of the last time Britain really did lose what was then its sovereignty. It has been unbroken since then.

And the notion that getting out from under some EU rules and regulations was an heroic struggle against oppression would baffle citizens of countries (some of them now in the EU) where there really was an oppressive lack of sovereignty, with people giving up their lives to gain independence or freedom from tyranny.

And if we forget about the fallacy of a lost sovereignty and go to the mundane level of economic reality then you can put a price on Brexit and the consequent absence of some EU rules, and it far too high a figure.

As Dominic Raab let slip in his Marie-Antoinette ‘Let them eat cake’ promise, people losing their jobs now because of Brexit will get them back in 10 years’ time. Or not, Dominic.

As a symbolic aside, my new passport arrived this week. It is an appropriately funereal black rather than blue, but it still carries that guff about demanding that holders be granted free passage ‘without let or hindrance’. Except, as people are finding out, there are now time-consuming and costly hindrances to travelling abroad that never existed  before Brexit.

 

 

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"‘You can’t put a price on sovereignty’"

You can. Delivery charges for products from Europe have gone up by at least a third.

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Good thread highlighting the ongoing dishonesty of the vote leave government.

 

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2 hours ago, kick it off said:

Farage has gone full David Icke. Talk about clutching at straws to stay relevant.

 

 

I bet he would love to indoctrinate our kids with his lies and waffle though.

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Ironically, brexit is the worst thing that could have happened to Farage. Now he is scrabbling around in the sewage trying to stay relevant. Odds on that he will get a show on the "impartial" new GB channel though.

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2 hours ago, Herman said:

Good thread highlighting the ongoing dishonesty of the vote leave government.

 

That’s really weird as the kids hate Brexit.

 

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1 hour ago, keelansgrandad said:

I bet he would love to indoctrinate our kids with his lies and waffle though.

One of the people who has individually caused the most damage to this nation in modern history. I will celebrate when he dies. 

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The British schools selling out to Beijing: Not only are private institutions being bought by Chinese firms but some are giving communist-approved lessons that are a threat to free speech

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9282617/British-private-institutions-bought-Chinese-firms.html

Not a single example of 'flooding the curriculum with their propaganda'.  

I wonder what colour the text books are? 😀

 

 

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Surely those schools being bought up are merely an example of the 'free' market - something the righties endlessly bleat about

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“The City in a post-Brexit world - Is this its greatest opportunity in decades?”

New: ‘The CityUnited Project’ campaign group and think-tank launches today

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City professionals, senior politicians, and finance specialists have today responded to the recent challenges laid down by the EU in the new post-Brexit world.

Brexit Facts4EU.Org is pleased to announce the launch of The CityUnited Project, a practitioner-led initiative setting out a vision of a world-leading and prosperous UK financial services industry, setting global regulatory standards in partnership with other major financial centres and in contrast to the increasingly protectionist EU financial services markets.

Who is behind this?

Facts4EU.Org has been integrally involved in the set-up and launch of this new think-tank and campaigning group and our Editor is its Vice Chairman.

Supported by leading politicians, Sir Bernard Jenkin MP, David Jones MP, Lord (Norman) Lamont, Lord (Daniel) Hannan, and Anne-Marie Morris MP, it speaks positively and authoritatively for the industry’s future opportunities and rebuts the current round of negative and under-informed stories about EU share trading and loss of access (due to lack of “equivalence”) to EU markets.

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The CityUnited Project's Political Advisory Board: Sir Bernard Jenkin MP (Chair), David Jones MP, Lord (Norman) Lamont, Lord (Daniel) Hannan, and Anne-Marie Morris MP

The group will build on and promote the City’s outstanding track record of product development and innovation, particularly in Fintech. It also seeks to show how the industry can enhance employment in the City and in regions and financial centres such as Belfast and Edinburgh and throughout the Union.

‘The CityUnited Project’ says that the Government must now accept that the EU has in effect denied normal cooperation with the City and its associated financial services, which represents one of the powerhouse engines relied on by the Eurozone itself, as well as by the wider European economy.

Together the new group is responding with initiatives, policies, and recommendations for the Government. Part of its aim is to combat and negate the EU’s actions. It will also be promoting bold new initiatives to exploit the UK’s expertise in financial services and to re-set the agenda for global financial services.

“A global City and UK financial services industry, serving the world”

The CityUnited Project’s Chairman, Professor Daniel Hodson, commented:

“Our vision is a global City and UK financial services industry, serving the world and supported by a fair and competitive regulatory and taxation framework and the highest skills possible.

“New opportunities are opening up to secure the City’s global leadership in regulation and product development. The role of financial services in generating employment in the City and regionally (including in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) is more important than ever and can strengthen the Union.

“We see a massive chance to strengthen and enhance the UK’s existing position in global regulatory leadership, working in partnership with other major financial centres across the world, in contrast to the increasingly protectionist financial markets of the EU.”

Facts4EU.Org's managing editor and co-vice chairman of the CityUnited Project, put matters into a wider context:

“Across the Brexit spectrum the Northern Ireland Protocol and its effect on peace and stability in the Province, the EU’s refusal to allow the continued importation of unprocessed shellfish, and even the confiscation of ham sandwiches from truckers at Dutch ports – these have all taken their toll on the UK-EU relationship.

“Within this mix we now have by far the largest issue from an economic perspective - the enormous but exciting challenges caused by the EU’s refusal to deal rationally and reasonably with the UK on financial services. There’s a great deal that now needs to be done and The CityUnited Project is looking forward to embracing these issues with all interested parties, including Government.”

Likely to challenge and disrupt?

The new group’s website already contains numerous articles, some of which are likely to be considered innovative and radical. Over the coming days and weeks The CityUnited Project says it will be publishing more pieces from respected figures from the worlds of finance and politics.

“The post Brexit City and UK financial services industry stand at the gateway of their greatest era of prosperity and global leadership” – The CityUnited Project, 2021.

“Daily we read negative stories about our markets and their future. We hear of equity trading moving to the EU, the euro rates derivative business - invented here - being arm twisted out of London by the EU as it encircles trading, sales, clearing, settlement and payments exclusively on the continent. And yet we hear nothing from the City authorities, no rebuttal, no defence. Well that changes now with The City United Project.”

- Danny Corrigan, co-Vice Chairman of The CityUnited Project

The CityUnited Project has set out ambitious objectives

  • To support the development and consolidation of the world’s leading financial centre in the City of London, and a strong and prosperous financial services industry throughout the UK
  • To help to achieve a radical reform of UK financial service regulation, creating a global regulatory framework and standards as an independent sovereign nation in equal partnership with other major financial centres, in contrast to the increasingly protectionist financial markets of the EU
  • To provide a well informed, unbiased and balanced representation of the mainstream views of the UK financial service industry and particularly the views of British owned firms and front line practitioners
  • To sponsor innovation and global product development, and specifically in maintaining Britain’s global standing in Fintech
  • To help to attract the top global financial services talent to the UK through the creation of appealing job opportunities and a benign tax environment and an appealing personal lifestyle
  • To encourage the reshoring of overseas financial services operations where appropriate and through regulatory reform, the growth of attractive liquid markets and services, and a suitable tax environment
  • To assist in growth in employment in the financial services industry across the UK through proportionate regulation together with a benign tax framework including Special Economic Zones, with particular emphasis on strengthening the Union and regional development, and specifically in centres like Edinburgh and Belfast
  • To promote appropriate detailed sectoral regulatory reform in support of practitioners and their representatives across all the diverse activities of the financial services industry
  • Without priority and in the fullness of time to support a balanced and beneficial financial services with the EU, representing and respecting the interests of independent and important international sovereign states

OBSERVATIONS

 

A positive post-Brexit attitude - and pro-activity in developing our post-Brexit future

 

The Brexit Facts4EU.Org team has been pleased to have been involved in the launch of this important new initiative in the post-Brexit era. We will continue our integral involvement and will publish further news as it happens.

Whilst it is important to report on the ongoing negativity of the EU towards the United Kingdom since its formal departure, it is even more important to highlight the opportunities which can open up for the UK's world-leading financial services sector in all the (non-EU) markets around the world.

There are significant opportunities for the UK Government to achieve a radical reform of UK financial service regulation, creating a global regulatory framework and standards as an independent sovereign nation in equal partnership with other major financial centres, in contrast to the increasingly protectionist financial markets of the EU.

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"City professionals, senior politicians, and finance specialists have today responded to the recent challenges laid down by the EU in the new post-Brexit world."

More hilarity from Jools 'facts' web site.

The recent challenge is that the UK didn't negotiate a deal that included finances and the consequence is business is moving from London to Amsterdam. 

That is a fact.

 

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15 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

I don't have a quad bike, ride on lawn mower or a mobility scooter. 

Do you?

 

watch the whole of the video, Boris is saving on your motor insurance 

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