The Positive Brexit Thread

[Indy 3,298]

Aptitude to learn is only a single narrative of intelligence, I’ve had graduate engineers offshore who couldn’t practice their learnings. I’ve had some great young engineers through online development while they worked with open university learning while on the job.

I agree that the more intelligent get to university but learning doesn’t stop at the end of Uni.

But do agree horsefly.

[horsefly 4,300]

6 minutes ago, Indy said:

Aptitude to learn is only a single narrative of intelligence, I’ve had graduate engineers offshore who couldn’t practice their learnings. I’ve had some great young engineers through online development while they worked with open university learning while on the job.

I agree that the more intelligent get to university but learning doesn’t stop at the end of Uni.

But do agree horsefly.

Absolutely! University is only one small part of the life-long process. In Plato's "Apology" Socrates is offered the opportunity to commute his death penalty to a ban on him publicly debating political and philosophical issues with the youth of Athens, he declined with the now famous phrase "An unexamined life is a life not worth living".

[SwindonCanary 455]

1 hour ago, horsefly said:

Significantly superior to your own

you mean your own

[horsefly 4,300]

Just now, SwindonCanary said:

you mean your own

Gosh! you're a true genius. How on earth did you manage to think up that retort? I live in awe.

[Well b back 3,203]

Biden on Ireland borders.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55066703

[SwindonCanary 455]

• The government has spent £280bn this year to fight coronavirus and will spend a further £55bn to support public services next year.  Well done to the government !

[Barbe bleu 824]

6 hours ago, Indy said:

I would love to know the real reason people voted for Brexit! 

...

 but reality is most Brexiteers are lower end of the class in society, lower educated and were easily convinced by bigoted ideologies,

I'm not sure the Liberal Democrats will campaign on this basis come the next election!

[horsefly 4,300]

10 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

• The government has spent £280bn this year to fight coronavirus and will spend a further £55bn to support public services next year.  Well done to the government !

And wasted hundreds of millions of tax-payers money on useless unusable PPE bought in on uncontested contracts given out to Tory friends and donors. Yeah! really well and truly done!

[SwindonCanary 455]

47 minutes ago, horsefly said:

And wasted hundreds of millions of tax-payers money on useless unusable PPE bought in on uncontested contracts given out to Tory friends and donors. Yeah! really well and truly done!

millions when you're sending billions ?

[horsefly 4,300]

1 minute ago, SwindonCanary said:

millions when you're sending billions ?

Oh that's ok then. FFS!

[horsefly 4,300]

From that well known left wing bastion The Daily Mail:

Fury over £18bn PPE scandal (dailymail.co.uk)

"Boris Johnson today refused to apologise after a devastating report laid bare the Government's £18billion rush to source PPE during the coronavirus crisis and claims Conservative cronies were given VIP access to lucrative contracts.

Mr Johnson has denied his ministers wasted 'mindblowing' amounts of taxpayers' money, claiming that he is 'very proud' of the scramble to buy lifesaving clothing for the NHS at the start of the pandemic and through the first wave."

 

A review by Britain's spending watchdog the National Audit Office of 8,600 contracts has revealed that officials had signed agreements for hundreds of thousands of facemasks which turned out to be unusable – wasting hundreds of millions of pounds. 

As coronavirus swept across Britain, a £12.3billion 'Wild West' opportunity emerged for any firms able to provide the NHS with protective equipment as hospitals and care homes ran out. Many companies with zero experience of supplying PPE won multi-million pound Government deals while suppliers with political contacts were ten times more likely to get business.   

The NAO said today it will launch an urgent investigation into one extraordinary deal for surgical gloves and gowns with a Florida-based jewellery designer where a Spanish businessman who served as a middleman was paid an astonishing £21million in UK taxpayers' cash. 

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer asked Mr Johnson in the Commons: 'Does the Prime Minister think that £21million for a middle man was an acceptable use of taxpayers' money?'

[Herman 9,759]

1 hour ago, Barbe bleu said:

I'm not sure the Liberal Democrats will campaign on this basis come the next election!

They have a new slogan, "Look at what you have done, you idiots". Not as catchy as the usual three worder but gets to the point. 

[Bill 1,788]

6 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

I've said it before a University education is no way to tell how intelligent is.  It may have been long ago, but now it's the thing kids do.   

I'm not too sure if you are the best person to make comment on that subject

but I would add that thoughts on Brexit are usually a reliable measure of intelligence

as you seem determined to demonstrate

[Herman 9,759]

Everyone's favourite Brexiter, Daniel “Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market" Hannan.

 

 

[Herman 9,759]

22 hours ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

French trial no deal dry run at Channel tunnel

The French authorities have staged a  no deal dry run in Kent today. Apparently only half of the available lanes were open, but it doesn't look good 

I wonder if we have done the same thing in Calais?

I assumed your question was rhetorical but if it wasn't the answer is no.😀 Depressing but not surprising.

 

[Bill 1,788]

23 hours ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

French trial no deal dry run at Channel tunnel

The French authorities have staged a  no deal dry run in Kent today. Apparently only half of the available lanes were open, but it doesn't look good 

I wonder if we have done the same thing in Calais?

it was not anything to do with a possible no deal

the checks were based on what will happen on Jan 1st irrespective if what deal, or not ,is agreed, as

"The controls require truck drivers to provide passports, and are asked about proof of means, their destination and length of stay which can last up to 70 seconds per passenger.

After January truck drivers, will also face additional delays for checks on food, drink and agricultural products and customs in both directions."

This not speculation, nor any 'let's wait and see' but harsh reality. The game of chicken Johnson is playing, is just that.

A chicken stood between the rail tracks believing that the EU train will stop in time

[How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,187]

1 hour ago, Bill said:

it was not anything to do with a possible no deal

the checks were based on what will happen on Jan 1st irrespective if what deal, or not ,is agreed, as

"The controls require truck drivers to provide passports, and are asked about proof of means, their destination and length of stay which can last up to 70 seconds per passenger.

After January truck drivers, will also face additional delays for checks on food, drink and agricultural products and customs in both directions."

This not speculation, nor any 'let's wait and see' but harsh reality. The game of chicken Johnson is playing, is just that.

A chicken stood between the rail tracks believing that the EU train will stop in time

Time will tell. I don't think it will be a happy story that time will be telling, though 

But, as Swindon Canary likes to say, this is the "positive Brexit thread". The positive thing for me is I will be watching from 1200 miles away 😁

 

[horsefly 4,300]

Oh look! The Governor of the Bank of England has clearly failed to read Swindon's messages that everything will be fine. What a silly man to ignore such genius:

Bank of England governor: No-deal Brexit likely to have longer-term effects than Covid-19 (msn.com)

Bank of England governor: No-deal Brexit likely to have longer-term effects than Covid-19

[SwindonCanary 455]

Another 'no deal' warning,  Believe is we are going to get a deal. 

[horsefly 4,300]

25 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

Another 'no deal' warning,  Believe is we are going to get a deal. 

Look you fool, quite obviously any institution or organisation MUST prepare for all eventualities while they remain a possibility. They don't want to waste their time and money on preparing for these options but they HAVE to because idiots like you got us all into this situation. The Government has repeatedly said that no deal remains an option, so that remains an option that all responsible organisations have to prepare for. So stop posting these utterly inane comments.

[SwindonCanary 455]

I'll believe we will get a deal. don't mock it !

Edited November 26, 2020 by SwindonCanary

[horsefly 4,300]

5 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

I'll believe we will get a deal. don't mock it !

What you believe is utterly irrelevant to those people, businesses, organisations and institutions who have NO CHOICE but to prepare for the possibility of a no deal. FFS the Government has TOLD them that they must be prepared for this possibility. To not do so would be utterly irresponsible.

Your naive head in the sand optimism is fine for someone like you who clearly has no responsibilities. It would be completely reckless for others who have responsibilties for providing goods and services that depend on the free flow of trade between the UK and Europe. In many cases people's lives and livelyhoods depend on getting this right. Your foolish optimism is NOT an option (even your hero Boris says this).

[SwindonCanary 455]

Because of what I believe , I take no notice of any thing stating 'if there's no deal' 

[horsefly 4,300]

11 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

Because of what I believe , I take no notice of any thing stating 'if there's no deal' 

As I said, no one gives a F*ck what you believe. Real people with real responsibilities have to take the Government's advice and prepare for the possibility of a no deal. Only a reta*rd of your proportions would think that it would be a good idea to pretend everything will be fine and allow their businesses and organisations to collapse through lack of preparation. Are you really so dumb as to suggest that? clearly you are.

Edited November 26, 2020 by horsefly

[horsefly 4,300]

26 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

Because of what I believe , I take no notice of any thing stating 'if there's no deal' 

This is an example of what real people running businesses are dealing with because of Brexit. Read it and learn something for once:

Brexit: Delivery prices jump as British firms rush to stockpile ahead of customs checks (msn.com)

"Brexit: Delivery prices jump as British firms rush to stockpile ahead of customs checks"

British businesses are rushing to stockpile goods just five weeks before Brexit checks on customs come into force on 1 January, driving up the cost of cross-border deliveries.

 

The frantic push reflects rising fears the end of the transition period will bring chaos at the beginning of 2021 – even if a UK-EU trade deal is struck – as companies struggle to prepare for a full customs border.

Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove has suggested there would be only “two to three weeks” of disruption at the start of the year, but logistics chiefs fear problems could go on far longer.

Freight companies have said have seen a surge in demand to bring goods into the country before any disruption, and customs agents report being overwhelmed by pleas for help from traders grappling with the rules.

“We have told our customers that the best thing you can do now is stock up, stockpile,” Jon Swallow, director of Jordon Freight, told Reuters. “The consequence of that is there’s simply not enough capacity and the prices are going through the roof.”

Mr Swallow said the demand had pushed prices up by around 20 per cent in recent weeks, and further rises were likely in December.

Fellow freight specialist Tony Shally said his Espace Europe had seen the cost of making deliveries between Poland and the UK, and France and the UK, rise by more than 10 per cent.

Along with the rush to bring in goods, companies are also having to prepare to deal with customs declarations. Sam Harris, operations manager at provider Freight UK, said it had become a full-time job just to answer the phone to new customers.

“Most know nothing about customs,” he said. “Everyone is panicking. We had a farmer on the phone and he had no idea whatsoever about what needed to be done.”

Britain’s logistics industry estimates that 250 million customs declarations a year will be needed for trade with the EU. While the government has provided £84m to train staff, many companies in the small sector have refused to take on workers before they know how the new system will work.

[Herman 9,759]

This is good. A politician using facts and stats to back up her case.

 

[horsefly 4,300]

10 minutes ago, Herman said:

This is good. A politician using facts and stats to back up her case.

 

Beautiful find Herman. Just love the look on Truss' face as she gets taken down and clearly has no response. As you say, a triumph of the use of reason and evidence.

[Bill 1,788]

rather devastating, but not surprising

given the constant high level of lying from those trying to justify brexit

basically once the lies have been stripped out

the projections are that this deal will deliver worse results than had the UK simply remained in the EU

Edited November 26, 2020 by Bill

[SwindonCanary 455]

3 hours ago, horsefly said:

As I said, no one gives a F*ck what you believe. Real people with real responsibilities have to take the Government's advice and prepare for the possibility of a no deal. Only a reta*rd of your proportions would think that it would be a good idea to pretend everything will be fine and allow their businesses and organisations to collapse through lack of preparation. Are you really so dumb as to suggest that? clearly you are.

how come every time I come on here there's a notification that Hose sh1t has replied ? 

[Surfer 1,547]

2 hours ago, Bill said:

rather devastating, but not surprising

the projections are that this deal will deliver worse results than had the UK simply remained in the EU

As was always obvious to those of us with any inkling to use our brains rather than follow the Brexit “leaders” like lemmings off Dover’s cliffs.