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8 hours ago, Bill said:

Because almost all that was put out was ignored by brexiteers as being 'project fear; - now that it is all coming true, their reaction is to blame the EU for it all

.... them wanting stick to agreements, and all

booo-oooo

 

8 hours ago, Bill said:

poor mouse brain, as stupid as ever

the UK will not produce figures for the 2nd quarter until Aug 12th, however

''So how does the UK’s economic hit compare to that of other countries? The OECD produced some forecasts earlier this week which suggested that Britain would have one of the worst contractions of any developed country.''

''The massive plunge in April – the first month of the second quarter – means a second-quarter decline is certain, so we are in recession. How big will the second-quarter decline be?

In May the Bank of England produced an estimate that it would fall by 25 per cent in the three months to June. Today’s ONS figures suggest that it might not be as bad as that if April was the peak of the lockdown – but it will be relatively close.''

So the half wit posts up figures that actually show that the UK will likely suffer the worst. However away from his bigoted nonsense there are a number of qualifiers, as

''The UK contraction in the first quarter is milder than the 3.6 fall in the eurozone, largely reflecting a later lockdown. However restrictions have been in place for longer in the UK than in most eurozone economies, pointing to a sharper fall in the second quarter. ''

None of which our village idiot bothered to check up on, as his bleats are never intended to be an informed contribution to the discussion, but merely a wish to demonstrate just how stupid he is ..... as if somehow no one on here is aware of that.😂

 

How dumb can you get ? The figures for the 2nd quarter until Aug 12th are predicted to be bad, but not as bad as the EU Countries.

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6 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

 

How dumb can you get ? The figures for the 2nd quarter until Aug 12th are predicted to be bad, but not as bad as the EU Countries.

It's always nice when you answer your own questions. 😃

 

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On 30/07/2020 at 09:29, SwindonCanary said:

Wait till we are properly out, we are in an implementation period at the moment.

Since as @How I Wrote Elastic Man has already pointed out, immigration from the EU is now less than 20% of the total that won't make a blind bit of difference.

How difficult is it to understand that of the 270,000 immigrants to this country 221,000 have been given visas by the Government that you voted for and which has repeatedly promised to cut immiration but has, in fact, increased massively the number of visas granted to people from all over the world whilst the number of EU migrants has largely dried up of its own accord even before we leave completely.

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You leavers can turn a blind eye to what's happening in the EU but it's clear we are better out of their troubles.

 

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Well there is dumb.. and then there is dumber.. and then there is FVCKWIT SWINDO.

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2 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

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You leavers can turn a blind eye to what's happening in the EU but it's clear we are better out of their troubles.

 

it´s a sobering thought to think that your vote counted the same as everyone elses

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We all do and say things when young that we later regret.

never apologised for defending the IRA bombing of Warrington which took the life of my son Tim and Johnathan Ball. Now she is offered a Peerage. This offends me and many others deeply

https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/18621693.warrington-mp-hits-claire-fox-gets-house-lords-seat/

A FORMER Brexit Party MEP has been given a seat in the House of Lords. Claire Fox was elected to the European Parliament last year. But her nomination by the Brexit Party started a storm of controversy in Warrington.

She is a former core activist and organiser for the Revolutionary Communist Party.

After the 1993 bombing, which killed Tim Parry and Johnathan Ball, the Revolutionary Communist Party’s official newsletter stated that they defended 'the right of the Irish people to take whatever measures necessary in their struggle for freedom'. Fox was also a member of the Irish Freedom Movement, which backed dissident republicanism.

 

Here's Claire with some bloke.

Claire Fox and Nigel Farage

They didn't want to give him a peerage as he was seen as too toxic for one, Claire's OK, she got one.

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11 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

 

How dumb can you get ? The figures for the 2nd quarter until Aug 12th are predicted to be bad, but not as bad as the EU Countries.

poor mouse brain

he thinks the second quarter runs up to 12th August 😂

and thinks this sentence means the UK will do better 🤣

The OECD produced some forecasts earlier this week which suggested that Britain would have one of the worst contractions of any developed country.''

no wonder he fell for the brexit scam 🤪

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16 minutes ago, Bill said:

poor mouse brain

he thinks the second quarter runs up to 12th August 😂

and thinks this sentence means the UK will do better 🤣

The OECD produced some forecasts earlier this week which suggested that Britain would have one of the worst contractions of any developed country.''

no wonder he fell for the brexit scam 🤪

I find your comments very offensive to mice 

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Just now, NFN FC said:

I find your comments very offensive to mice 

It was a dead mouse they did the transplant from 💉

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Why did you claim that the 2nd quarter lasted until 12th August - even someone as dim as you should be able to grasp that with 12 months in a year the 2nd quarter would end on the last day of the 6th month (June)

You posted up figures from EU countries when there were no comparable figures from the UK

Figures that reflected commerce and industry having to shut down - what next ?

I post up beer sales for pubs in Swindon so as to claim that they are terrible pubs because they barely sold anything during April/May/June ?

All you ignorant posts have shown, yet again, is that you have nothing to offer this discussion other than a re-affirmation of your stupidity

You have learnt nothing, and are determined to keep it that way

As if being the forum's village idiot is some sort of badge of honour ....... perhaps it is, in your shallow, fantasy existence

 

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4 minutes ago, paul moy said:

All going nicely according to plan.   No Deal !!

ev'ning Jools

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10 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

I WILL PUT MONEY ON IT, THE UK WILL DO BETTER ! MARK MY WORDS 

Clarify what the bet is

so you don't try to weasel out when you lose

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That our rate will be lower than ALL the EU countries that I listed 

It's that simple, Just proving that your rant in reply to me was nonsense 🤣 put your money where you your mouth is  

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42 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

That our rate will be lower than ALL the EU countries that I listed 

It's that simple, Just proving that your rant in reply to me was nonsense 🤣 put your money where you your mouth is  

The table you listed on the previous page is the % difference between the previous quarter & year.

What does that mean, can you explain why the rate of difference is important as opposed to the actual GDP figure?

 

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On 31/07/2020 at 23:46, SwindonCanary said:

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' That our rate will be lower than ALL the EU countries that I listed  '

 

So the UKs percentage of change will be lower than all of those (as listed above) for the 2nd quarter of 2020

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“Germany is delinquent,” says President Trump in Brexit boost

Trump slams Germany on defence and on trade

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Brexit Facts4EU.Org presents the facts behind the President's words

On Wednesday morning 29 July, prior to departing on Marine One from the South Lawn of the White House, President Trump was asked by reporters about America's plans to pull one-third of its troops out of Germany.

Brexit Facts4EU.Org Summary

Trump slams EU's largest country

  • USA to pull 12,500 troops out of Germany - “Germany is delinquent”, says President Trump
  • “Germany owes billions and billions of dollars to NATO”
  • “And you think that’s bad? They take worse advantage on trade.”
  • 2,500 US troops stationed in the UK scheduled for German deployment will now stay in the UK

As the US President was preparing to leave the White House at 9.15am on Wednesday morning he made some very strong statements about the EU's largest country and largest economy. Here is the exchange.

This was President Trump on Wednesday

Q Mr. President, on NATO, you just gave the order to remove U.S. troops from Germany. How does that keep Russia in check?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, Germany is delinquent. They haven’t paid their fees. They haven’t paid their NATO fees. And they’re way off, and they’ve been off for years, and they have no intention of paying it. And the United States has been taken advantage of on trade and on military and on everything else for many years, and I’m here and I’ve been straightening it out.

But Germany owes billions and billions of dollars to NATO. And why would we keep all of those troops there? And now Germany is saying it’s bad for their economy. Well, it’s good for our economy. Germany is delinquent. They’re at 1 percent. They should be at 2 percent. And actually, everybody should be at 4 percent, not 2 percent, because 2 percent is too low. But they’re at 1 percent, and they’ve take advantage of us for many years.

And you think that’s bad? They take worse advantage on trade. And I was all set to fix that, and then we got hit with the China plague. But we’ll be fixing it.

Source: The White House, 29 July 2020

So just how many billions does Germany owe?

The US President has consistently been attacking the EU's largest economy over its lack of defence spending, and threatening punitive trade sanctions over its enormous trade surplus with the United States. Brexit Facts4EU.Org has analysed the latest figures from NATO. We only took the data from the last five years, although the lack of investment in defence by EU27 countries has been going on for decades.

Brexit Facts4EU.Org Summary

The $147 billion dollar German defence deficit

  • In the last five years alone, Germany has underspent on defence by -$147 billion dollars
  • In the same period the UK has spent $16.2 billion MORE on defence than the required NATO minimum
  • The other EU members of NATO have underspent on defence by a total of -$446 billion dollars
  • And of all of this is only in the last 5 years, not including the decades before that

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© Brexit Facts4EU.Org - click to enlarge

The new EU Commission President was German Defence Minister for all this time

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Presiding over the massive underspend on defence by Germany in those five years was Ursula von der Leyen. Frau von der Leyen is now the new EU Commission President, and her new budget which has been provisionally approved increases EU defence spending.

None of this extra EU defence spending is going to NATO - the organisation that has preserved the peace in Europe for the last 70 years.

Is Trump also right about trade?

Here is what the US State Department says about Germany.

"Germany is the world’s third-largest exporter. Every fourth job in Germany depends on exports, which accounted for 47% of Germany’s GDP in 2018 (almost four times the export share of U.S. GDP)."

Germany runs a lucrative trade surplus with the US and has done for many years. In 2018 this surplus stood at $67.4bn in goods. In the same year Germany ran a $37bn trade surplus in goods with the UK.

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© Brexit Facts4EU.Org - click to enlarge

On both defence and on trade, President Trump is correct in his analysis.

Observations

President Trump uses shorthand to communicate to ordinary voters. His messages are often ridiculed by the mainstream media who prefer long and sophisticated arguments.

NATO members are supposed to spend a minimum of 2% of their GDP on defence, and 20% of their total defence spend should be on equipment.

The UK is the only country in the EU to achieve both targets. Germany has consistently missed both targets by a country mile, for decades.

When the US President takes EU countries to task – especially the EU’s largest economy Germany – he is quite right to do so. And when he claims that these countries should be held responsible for their lack of expenditure on defence for decades, we agree.

In the last five years alone, the US spent $1.4 TRILLION dollars MORE than the NATO minimum. Germany spent $147 billion dollars LESS than the NATO minimum. We rest our case.

With Brexit looming - and if Trump puts sanctions on Germany - the EU is in trouble

When it comes to trade, Germany does very well out of exporting to the US and the UK. It cannot afford to have both prime export markets impacted by tariffs. Should Donald Trump win a second term, which contrary to the polling we think he will, then the EU's largest economy could be in for a very bumpy ride.

 

[ Sources: NATO official figures | The White House | US State Dept | UK Office for National Statistics | EU Commission ] Politicians and journalists can contact us for details, as ever.

Brexit Facts4EU.Org, Sat 01 Aug 2020

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6 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

WILL BE BETTER 

so, do you accept the bet as stated ?

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