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On 02/07/2020 at 22:26, Herman said:

That's ten months old Swindo.

 

I see Darren has managed to get David sacked from ALL of his jobs. Cancel culture? 

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13 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

Well done mouse brain

"then we will have the very good option also of an Australian-style arrangement"

That arrangement is no deal ie trading on WTO rules. So enthused are Australia with that arrangement that they have been working hard for years to set up a free trade deal with the EU.... which is imminent, and

"Australia and the EU are natural partners, with a shared commitment to the rule of law, global norms and free and open markets. As articulated in the Foreign Policy White Paper, a strong EU is vital to Australian interests in protecting and promoting a rules-based international order. We want an FTA with the EU to set the benchmark for what can be achieved between like-minded partners. An FTA with the EU has the potential to open up a market for Australian goods and services of half a billion people and a GDP of US$18.7 trillion. It would provide Australian exporters with a competitive edge, and would give Australian businesses access to a larger export market in the EU. Australian consumers and companies stand to benefit from a free trade deal with the EU, through greater access to goods and services at lower prices.

An FTA would provide Australian exporters with a competitive edge and would give Australian businesses access to a larger export market in the EU. Australian consumers and companies stand to benefit from a free trade deal with the EU through greater access to goods and services at lower prices."

 

So to make it easy for brexit thickos, the trading arrangement Aus has with the EU is the one they are desperate to dump,

as they want the deal with the EU that the UK currently has, but now wants to, err..............................dump 🥴

And it is a measure of how dim mouse brain is in regard to ALL of this, that he posts up a link that rips brexit to shreds

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At least you're not falling for that Australia type deal shenanigans Swindo. 

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8 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

There will be no EU customs staff on British soil. None. Zero. Zilch

Is it a big deal where the customs checks are?

We will still have French passport officers in the UK

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9 hours ago, Jools said:

As to the rest of your Lefty rant, all I'm reading is 'Capable', 'capable'...

The real question here is: Are you capable of rational thought?

 

NFN FC --- "Please people, have a go at a little research if you don't believe me."

You need to practise what you preach 😀

I am definitely capable of rational thought (and punctuation 😉). 

Why do you call it a lefty rant? Brexit issues span further than 'lefty' and 'righty'. 

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9 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

There will be no EU customs staff on British soil . None. Zero. Zilch

up to your old tricks again I see Blue barbie crank

make something up and argue against that

as no one has said anything about EU customs staff on British soil

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9 hours ago, Surfer said:

Really. Is that a pinky promise? And what about on the EU side then? 

EU are entitled to do what they like on their side of the border - subject to agreement. We have already stated their will be no incoming checks on our side of the border. And despite Clucky Nora's scare tactics there will be no EU customs staff in the UK. The EUs request for an office in the UK has already been turned down. 

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1 hour ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

Is it a big deal where the customs checks are?

We will still have French passport officers in the UK

If you take the Eurostar to Paris you will pass through a French passport control in London right now. 

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4 hours ago, Herman said:

I see Darren has managed to get David sacked from ALL of his jobs. Cancel culture? 

Do you think Priyamvada Gopal will be sacked for saying white lives don't matter?

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6 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

EU are entitled to do what they like on their side of the border - subject to agreement we have already stated their will be no incoming checks on our side of the border. And despite Clucky Nora's scare tactics there will be no EU customs staff in the UK. The EUs request for an office in the UK has already been turned down. 

Another lie, as no one has said there would be

 

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14 minutes ago, Bill said:

Another lie, as no one has said there would be

 

So you will agree with me that when you posted under 'Johnson's Lies'

 

So, taking back control of our borders means having customs checks, monitored by the EU, inside sovereign UK territory

Any customs checks in the UK would amount to nothing more than filing a few bits of paper online, which are done anyway for every logistical transport, and handled by British customs within Nortern Ireland. The EU will have no one inside the UK monitoring anything. That's you making up stuff

 

Of course when goods move beyond UK borders it will trigger customs paperwork but that happens now, even intra-EU. 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Do you think Priyamvada Gopal will be sacked for saying white lives don't matter?

It all depends on what context she said that. 

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1 hour ago, NFN FC said:

I am definitely capable of rational thought (and punctuation 😉). 

Why do you call it a lefty rant? Brexit issues span further than 'lefty' and 'righty'. 

They are desperately trying to box everyone into two distinct camps. It's easier for them to have a singular enemy to rant about. 

If Jools had ever read this thread properly he'd realise most of us have different political beliefs veering from left, central and right. 

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18 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

So you will agree with me that when you posted under 'Johnson's Lies'

So, taking back control of our borders means having customs checks, monitored by the EU, inside sovereign UK territory

Any customs checks in the UK would amount to nothing more than filing a few bits of paper online, which are done anyway for every logistical transport, and handled by British customs within Nortern Ireland. The EU will have no one inside the UK monitoring anything. That's you making up stuff

Of course when goods move beyond UK borders it will trigger customs paperwork but that happens now, even intra-EU.

I should go back to lying about Smithfield pubs opening on a Saturday morning if I were you hand crank, as the above is sinking to mouse brain levels of lies

ps don't forget the UK is on BST so make sure Jools doesn't post during the game, yet again

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1 minute ago, Herman said:

They are desperately trying to box everyone into two distinct camps. It's easier for them to have a singular enemy to rant about. 

If Jools had ever read this thread properly he'd realise most of us have different political beliefs veering from left, central and right. 

He does,  however he only seems to be able to post when City games are on the TV 😆

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On 01/07/2020 at 19:18, Jools said:

Right then, Remainiacs, you've all gone quiet 😶

Have you run out of old lies and arguments to paraphrase? 😀

Where’s all the Gammon gone? 🤣🤣🤣

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2 hours ago, Herman said:

They are desperately trying to box everyone into two distinct camps. It's easier for them to have a singular enemy to rant about. 

If Jools had ever read this thread properly he'd realise most of us have different political beliefs veering from left, central and right. 

Well, we all know that Jools is a master of the copy and paste but as to his reading (or thinking) ability .....................😂

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So in summary, we have two "leaders" of their respective nations who jumped on a romanticized and whitewashed cause - reestablishing the Confederacy and rebuilding the Empire respectively - and who have no interest whatsoever in actually governing their countries. So every action is a public performance of "getting it done", but the populations have only so much tolerance for this BS. Here in America, despite having at least one pro-government propaganda channel - looking at you Rupert Murdoch - we are at that point, all this nonsense has been clarified by the Virus, and teargas and riot police, so now he's running an openly fascistic, Confederate "blood and soil" message to his dwindling number of followers. Maybe if there are riots, he can still win - it worked for Vladimir. And in the UK you are still in the nonsensical "signaling" phase of tearing down every aspect of a functioning government to "get Brexit done" and to impose "great leader" style rule - the latest nonsense being investment in a satellite.

Let's assume its related to high speed internet as the article below suggests - Labour was criticized for an attempt to "nationalize the internet" for their pre-election broadband plan - if you want high speed internet for all it's called fibre optic cable. Satellite is a joke - it is by definition a bandwidth constrained solution - and will require orders of magnitude more investment than £400million to make it work - but I guess it's another piece of BS that can be put out there about "investing in Britain's global future" 

Or let's assume its related to GPS applications instead - oops another screw up : that won't work.

https://www.engadget.com/uk-oneweb-satellite-internet-galileo-bharti-global-230005051.html

 

When your Government does not want to govern, why are they there? For the US this has been a 40 year journey started by Ronald Reagan with "the government isn't the solution, the government is the problem"  

For Britain, who / what is the driving force behind this current idiocy?  This is not "Putting Britain First"

 

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3 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

If you take the Eurostar to Paris you will pass through a French passport control in London right now. 

Yes. And Ashford and Ebbsfleet too. Also at Dover for the ferry and Cheriton for the tunnel

If we already have French officials operating in our country, what is the problem with some more doing customs checks?

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14 minutes ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

Yes. And Ashford and Ebbsfleet too. Also at Dover for the ferry and Cheriton for the tunnel

If we already have French officials operating in our country, what is the problem with some more doing customs checks?

Different jobs for a start. French passport control officers are based in the UK for the convenience of Eurostar passengers (so much for that freedom of movement, having to get you passport checked, hey?). We could get them removed tomorrow if we wished. 

But that's completely a different scenario from that being painted  by City 1st, who was trying to scare us all into believing that there would be EU customs staff placed in Northern Ireland to carry out custom checks on goods transported from Britain to NI. That was just another City 1st lie.

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3 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Different jobs for a start. French passport control officers are based in the UK for the convenience of Eurostar passengers (so much for that freedom of movement, having to get you passport checked, hey?). We could get them removed tomorrow if we wished. 

But that's completely a different scenario from that being painted  by City 1st, who was trying to scare us all into believing that there would be EU customs staff placed in Northern Ireland to carry out custom checks on goods transported from Britain to NI. That was just another City 1st lie.

Juxtaposed borders are not just for the benefit of Eurostar passengers, they are in place to help the UK to keep illegal immigrants and dangerous goods out of the country

And it´s an agreement, I don´t think we could renege on it tomorrow, if we wished

I understand it is a different job to the customs staff. I´m just a little surprised that the fact that the French can cause disruption on our territory (we can do likewise in France) doesn´t seem to bother many people, especially those that voted leave.

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On 02/07/2020 at 19:32, A Load of Squit said:

So, what a surprise! Jools comedy web site does not understand what the level playing field is.

Here's an explanation.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/future-relationship-level-playing-field

Be a good chap Jools and pass it onto your comedy mates. 😀

 

Hey, Squits, I put it to you again -- what level playing field?    👇

 

Shock admission by EU : ‘We have no level playing field’

The EU demands the UK does one thing, but does the opposite

 

cards.jpg

Commission’s own 2020 Single Market scoreboard gives out 166 red & yellow cards to its members

The UK was one of the top performers but benefited the least, says the EU

Against a background of the EU continuing to demand that the UK obey all manner of ‘Level Playing Field’ restrictions in return for a trade deal, it transpires that the EU’s own playing field is in fact an “uneven landscape”, according to its own admission.

Not only that, but the UK was the top performing major country in the EU last year, despite getting the least out of Single Market membership.

Brexit Facts4EU.Org Summary

Key findings of the 2020 Single Market Scoreboard include:

  • “Uneven enforcement of single market rules”
  • “An uneven landscape for Single Market enforcement”
  • The number of infringement procedures against Member States has grown
  • EU legislation was incompletely or incorrectly transposed
  • 59 red cards were issued – only one of these was to the UK
  • Worst performing countries were Italy, Spain, France and Austria

uneven_landscape_scoreboard_2020_3.jpg

et despite obeying the rules:-

“The UK has the lowest trade integration in the single market for goods
and the third lowest trade integration for services.”

- Official 2020 EU Single Market Scoreboard for 2019, EU Commission, 03 July 2020

 

 

The Single Market Scoreboard provides a detailed overview of how EU Single Market rules were applied in the European Union in 2019. It evaluates how Member States have performed as regards market openness, governance tools as well as in specific policy areas, based on a number of selected indicators. The findings are presented in the form of a "traffic light” chart, by attributing red, yellow, and green cards.

In its final full year as part of the EU, the United Kingdom received just one red card, compared to Italy (6), Spain (5), France (5), Austria (4), Netherlands (3), and Germany (3).

Observations

For years Brexit Facts4EU.Org has been monitoring the EU's annual Single Market Scoreboard. For all those years we have observed the UK performing very well against all the measures, and yet receiving the least benefit from Single Market membership.

The latter point is not just our opinion. It is what the EU Commission itself says, and it is based on the EU’s own trade integration figures.

So, the United Kingdom has stuck to the rules more than any other major EU country, and yet has gained the least.

Is it not extraordinary that Michel Barnier and his EU colleagues have whined on incessantly about the need for the UK to obey its “Level Playing Field” provisions, when that is exactly what the UK has been doing, compared to the other major member states?

And is it not even more extraordinary that the United Kingdom is the country which has benefited the least from Single Market membership?

Making Michel feel at home on Monday

On Monday Michel Barnier and his eurocracy will descend on London for the first time in these UK-EU ‘trade talks’. This a great opportunity to dominate the ‘landscape’. We propose that David Frost, UK Chief Negotiator, get some blow-ups of the following, and put them up on the walls in each meeting room.

uneven_landscape_scoreboard_2020_2.jpg

                                                                                                      😃  👆

 

[ Sources: EU Commission report issued 03 July ] Politicians and journalists can contact us for details, as ever.

Brexit Facts4EU.Org, Sat 04 July 2020

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1 minute ago, Jools said:

Hey, Squits, I put it to you again -- what level playing field?    👇

 

Shock admission by EU : ‘We have no level playing field’

The EU demands the UK does one thing, but does the opposite

 

cards.jpg

Commission’s own 2020 Single Market scoreboard gives out 166 red & yellow cards to its members

The UK was one of the top performers but benefited the least, says the EU

Against a background of the EU continuing to demand that the UK obey all manner of ‘Level Playing Field’ restrictions in return for a trade deal, it transpires that the EU’s own playing field is in fact an “uneven landscape”, according to its own admission.

Not only that, but the UK was the top performing major country in the EU last year, despite getting the least out of Single Market membership.

Brexit Facts4EU.Org Summary

Key findings of the 2020 Single Market Scoreboard include:

  • “Uneven enforcement of single market rules”
  • “An uneven landscape for Single Market enforcement”
  • The number of infringement procedures against Member States has grown
  • EU legislation was incompletely or incorrectly transposed
  • 59 red cards were issued – only one of these was to the UK
  • Worst performing countries were Italy, Spain, France and Austria

uneven_landscape_scoreboard_2020_3.jpg

et despite obeying the rules:-

“The UK has the lowest trade integration in the single market for goods
and the third lowest trade integration for services.”

- Official 2020 EU Single Market Scoreboard for 2019, EU Commission, 03 July 2020

 

 

The Single Market Scoreboard provides a detailed overview of how EU Single Market rules were applied in the European Union in 2019. It evaluates how Member States have performed as regards market openness, governance tools as well as in specific policy areas, based on a number of selected indicators. The findings are presented in the form of a "traffic light” chart, by attributing red, yellow, and green cards.

In its final full year as part of the EU, the United Kingdom received just one red card, compared to Italy (6), Spain (5), France (5), Austria (4), Netherlands (3), and Germany (3).

Observations

For years Brexit Facts4EU.Org has been monitoring the EU's annual Single Market Scoreboard. For all those years we have observed the UK performing very well against all the measures, and yet receiving the least benefit from Single Market membership.

The latter point is not just our opinion. It is what the EU Commission itself says, and it is based on the EU’s own trade integration figures.

So, the United Kingdom has stuck to the rules more than any other major EU country, and yet has gained the least.

Is it not extraordinary that Michel Barnier and his EU colleagues have whined on incessantly about the need for the UK to obey its “Level Playing Field” provisions, when that is exactly what the UK has been doing, compared to the other major member states?

And is it not even more extraordinary that the United Kingdom is the country which has benefited the least from Single Market membership?

Making Michel feel at home on Monday

On Monday Michel Barnier and his eurocracy will descend on London for the first time in these UK-EU ‘trade talks’. This a great opportunity to dominate the ‘landscape’. We propose that David Frost, UK Chief Negotiator, get some blow-ups of the following, and put them up on the walls in each meeting room.

uneven_landscape_scoreboard_2020_2.jpg

                                                                                                      😃  👆

 

[ Sources: EU Commission report issued 03 July ] Politicians and journalists can contact us for details, as ever.

Brexit Facts4EU.Org, Sat 04 July 2020

You could've saved yourself a lot of time, cutting and pasting by reading what the expression 'level playing field' means in the negotiations but instead you and your comedy web sitr continue to be very stupid.

Poor Jools, another epic fail. 🤣

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15 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

You could've saved yourself a lot of time, cutting and pasting by reading what the expression 'level playing field' means in the negotiations but instead you and your comedy web sitr continue to be very stupid.

Poor Jools, another epic fail. 🤣

Are you actually being serious?

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Who’s paying the Conservative Party to deliberately destroy the UK economy and status in the world - do you know, or care? 

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Posted (edited)
On 04/07/2020 at 02:20, Rock The Boat said:

Careful, someone may accuse you of being Nightfly. 

Oh, I have already been outed by City1st as being one of van wink’s creations, as in (note the inverted commas):

Or maybe why 'purple canary' was leaping to your [VW’s] defence barely minutes after I had posted.

The thing about that City1st’s latest ‘proof’ that you and now Barbe bleu do not exist but are just figments of VW’s boundless imagination is that his one key ‘fact’ actually springs from a crucial false assumption.

Understand that this assumption and so this ‘fact’ are false and the whole convoluted edifice of City1st’s ‘proof’ of his madcap claim collapses like a giant jenga construction with the wrong piece pulled out.

I did try to save the poor dear from himself with a follow-up post that hinted at the error by mentioning multiple threads but he didn’t take the hint or didn’t want to. Either way, true to form, he doubled down on this totally exploded ‘proof’. That’s my boy.

Stop press. True to form, a doubling down was followed by a trebling down. Who'd have thunk it?!

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yep, RTB caught putting up a post as BB seems like a fact to me - and sometimes you have to 'set a sprat to catch a mackerel, cast bread on the waters 'etc

but what ever saying you use it still doesn't detract from RTB posting as BB

and good to see you rushing to HCs defence .... again 🙄

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1 hour ago, Bill said:

yep, RTB caught putting up a post as BB seems like a fact to me - and sometimes you have to 'set a sprat to catch a mackerel, cast bread on the waters 'etc

but what ever saying you use it still doesn't detract from RTB posting as BB

and good to see you rushing to HCs defence .... again 🙄

And I suppose

So, taking back control of our borders means having customs checks, monitored by the EU, inside sovereign UK territory

Is the new 'Brexit will never happen'

 

 

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evening Barbie Blue

would reply but I am joining your 'mate'hand crank near the cattle market for a breakfast at 7am

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