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4 hours ago, A Load of Squit said:

Isn't David Frost one of those unelected bureaucrats that Brexiteers hate?

Hurting you isn't it, you load of ol' squit 🙃  Rutnam, Macdonald and now Sedwill - a trio of Remainiac Civil Servants gone...

The penny drops --- Time to start a new British Defense Industry unburdened by the ambitions of the EU Empire:

 

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5 hours ago, Surfer said:

Tariffs, well if you leave the Common Market then the EU has a right to impose tariffs doesn't it?

Yes -- And so do we 🙃

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13 minutes ago, Jools said:

Yes -- And so do we 🙃

Yes, I remember that ubiquitous Brexit poster:

'Let's take the £350m we lyingly claim we send the EU every week and pretend  we will put it aside to part-fund the billions UK consumers are going to pay in extra tariffs imposed by the EU when even we have to admit publicly that  everything we said about how Brexit would pan out to the total advantage of the UK was a fantasy that only the eye-wateringly stupid would have believed in the first place.'

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3 hours ago, Jools said:

 Time to start a new British Defense Industry unburdened by the ambitions of the EU Empire:

You seem to have the same spelling prob;em as hand cranks

As to putting tariffs on EU imports, you would need to apply the same to all other counties

look up Most Favoured Nation rules (WTO)

odd, I would have thought you would have known that 😏

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3 hours ago, Jools said:

Is that Sir Nigel of Farage after one meeting knowing exactly how the other 39 meetings would go? 😀

oh dear who said it was the first meeting that he should have been attending

and without an agreement it will be a free for all - the navy has said it does not have the ability to stop 'illegal' fishing

of course. the UK could defer to a court recognised by all those naughty EU fishermen, whereby sanctions/fines would be imposed on their countries

it is called the ECJ .................................................. but, wait 😛

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5 hours ago, Jools said:

- As a result, the UK is a net importer of fish each year, with a fish deficit of 300,000 tonnes --

....Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, whose coastal waters contain such a high proportion of the UK’s fishing resources.

Oh dear Jools. We have been over this before and provided the documentation that proves it .... to recap: 

The UK is a net importer of fish as most of the fish we prefer to eat are not caught in our waters. And British companies who obtained large quotas sold a significant portion of their quota to European based ones. 

Then Scotland and Northern Ireland and (Welsh speaking areas of) Wales are the three primary areas of the UK that voted to remain.... along with Londoners who may enjoy a wider palette. 

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11 hours ago, A Load of Squit said:

Isn't David Frost one of those unelected bureaucrats that Brexiteers hate?

 

 

 

Looks like he is going to be made a life peer. So like trump he is refilling the swamp with his own creatures. 

And Jools will still cheer being made a chump of. 

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Four or five times a year this Dutch boat or her sister ship comes into local waters and trawl up between one hundred and one hundred and sixty tonnes of seed mussels. They then take them back home and seed their beds for future stocks. They can do it because we sold them our quotas. It will not change. I have said it before on here that british fishermen are their own worst enemies. How do I know? My family sold ours and most of the smacks were broken up never to return.

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11 hours ago, Jools said:

Over the period of our membership, the UK catch declined from over 1.1 million tonnes a year to 700,000 -- Under the Common Fisheries Policy (CFP) EU vessels now catch 650,000 tons of fish in UK waters while UK vessels catch only 90,000 tons in non-UK EU waters in return -- As a result, the UK is a net importer of fish each year, with a fish deficit of 300,000 tonnes -- This bleak picture however underplays the decline in the UK fishing fleet as many of the UK vessels are under foreign economic ownership and land their fish abroad – only 446,000 tones was actually landed in the UK.

This is economic madness for the UK. It is also an injustice, which many who voted Leave expect to see remedied when the UK leaves the EU, particularly in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, whose coastal waters contain such a high proportion of the UK’s fishing resources.

Where have you lifted this from?

It doesn't really answer the question I asked, but it would be good to check out the article 

 

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31 minutes ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

Where have you lifted this from?

It doesn't really answer the question I asked, but it would be good to check out the article 

 

It's from a letter that the ERG wrote to the then PM (T May, remember her!) in Mar 2018.

Jools probably lifted it from his favourite comedy web site, Guido.

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27 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

It's from a letter that the ERG wrote to the then PM (T May, remember her!) in Mar 2018.

Jools probably lifted it from his favourite comedy web site, Guido.

Yes, and of course it refers to EU vessels rather than the actual quotas because as has been pointed many times before and Shrimper has just re-iterated from personal experience the reason the EU vessels catch such a high proportion is nothing to do with the original quotas being unfair and everything to do with the UK fishing industry selling a large chunk of its quota to overseas fishing boats.

Brexit has not and will not change this.

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Don't worry yourselves with how much we fish or how much they take. the fishing is a BIG  counter in our trade talks. The EU fishing policy is overfishing our stocks at the moment, so we want a reduction and they have to pay to fish in our waters.  

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1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

Don't worry yourselves with how much we fish or how much they take. the fishing is a BIG  counter in our trade talks. The EU fishing policy is overfishing our stocks at the moment, so we want a reduction and they have to pay to fish in our waters.  

Swindon you cannot be this stupid!!!!!

They have already paid to fish over 50% of the UK quota - that is what I said in the post you replied to, so there is no need for them to pay again.

Whatever the size of the overall quotas (which vary from year to year based on the estimed health of the fishing stocks) and which hopefully will be reduced for the next few years to improve the numbers, EU vessels will still be entitled to fish over 50% of the UK quota because they have already bought the rights to do so.

This is not a tricky thing to understand.

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5 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Swindon you cannot be this stupid!!!!!

what part of the last fours years have given you reason to doubt that 😄

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4 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Swindon you cannot be this stupid!!!!!

They have already paid to fish over 50% of the UK quota - that is what I said in the post you replied to, so there is no need for them to pay again.

Whatever the size of the overall quotas (which vary from year to year based on the estimed health of the fishing stocks) and which hopefully will be reduced for the next few years to improve the numbers, EU vessels will still be entitled to fish over 50% of the UK quota because they have already bought the rights to do so.

This is not a tricky thing to understand.

I'm well aware what's with the talks, that's why I wrote " the fishing is a BIG  counter in our trade talks"  if talks do not go as we want we will be able to charge to come into own waters to fish.

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Just now, SwindonCanary said:

I'm well aware what's with the talks, that's why I wrote " the fishing is a BIG  counter in our trade talks"  if talks do not go as we want we will be able to charge to come into own waters to fish.

and if they won't pay ?

take them to court..........................the ECJ

the reality is you haven't the slightest idea of how any of this works so you post up silly claims instead

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10 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

I'm well aware what's with the talks, that's why I wrote " the fishing is a BIG  counter in our trade talks"  if talks do not go as we want we will be able to charge to come into own waters to fish.

You frankly haven't got a clue about any of this, and the UK fishing industry is 0.1% of our economy which in anybody's terms is a very small counter in any talks.

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It's like having a conversation with a plate of cauliflower cheese. 

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Swindon, even you must grasp that this is not going the way you were led to believe in June 2016

The view that leaving the EU was going to be no more trouble than changing broadband, and once 'free of the EU clutches', the UK would bound forward into a brighter and more prosperous future was never the truth.

And that this hasn't happened is now down to some connivance on the part of the EU,  was never anything more than a lie - and at some point you will have to come to terms with that. Posting up silly and misleading stuff to counter that reality might make you feel better about this, but it won't change how things are

Far better for you to pay heed to the numerous posters who have put you right on this, than spend more time banging your head on the wall in futile denial

The UK is embracing the future, not clinging to some mythical past You've the choice to be part of that future or be left behind like some relic of the past...... as a stuffed animals head in a fusty old library.

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The UK wants to agree annual quotas with the EU based on the principle of “zonal attachment”, meaning agreeing shares based on the percentage of fish inside each side’s exclusive economic zone (a 200-mile area round the shore). British officials argue that this system would be fairer, more scientific and is already used by the EU in its annual quota-setting talks with Norway.

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Just now, SwindonCanary said:

CANZUK = Free trade with Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom ! 

whatever deal you offered each of them you would have to offer all other countries

it is the WTO rule - most favoured nation

that's why Remainers laughed at the brexit nonsense about these great new deals

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Most-favoured-nation (MFN): treating other people equally  Under the WTO agreements, countries cannot normally discriminate between their trading partners. Grant someone a special favour (such as a lower customs duty rate for one of their products) and you have to do the same for all other WTO members.

So in reality, outside of the EU the UK is more constrained as to what deals it can strike, and doesn't have the clout negotiate the favourable deals the EU has

Rather like a junior manager leaving Tesco to set up a corner shop, as he believes he will be ab;le to negotiate better prices from suppliers 🙄

 

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4 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

CANZUK = Free trade with Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom !

You'll be wanting a free trade agreement with Iraq, Armenia, Mauritania, Vietnam, Ethiopia, Russia, Yemen, Senegal, Thailand, Uzbekistan, Paraguay, Iran and Djibouti next. 🤭🤣

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6 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

The UK wants to agree annual quotas with the EU based on the principle of “zonal attachment”, meaning agreeing shares based on the percentage of fish inside each side’s exclusive economic zone (a 200-mile area round the shore). British officials argue that this system would be fairer, more scientific and is already used by the EU in its annual quota-setting talks with Norway.

err, the rest of us already knew that

however it does fly in the face of your previous claims that the EU should pay to fish in UK waters

and the problem is how do you deal with the quotas held by EU boats that were sold to them by UK fishermen

so again, why not have a proper read up on this so you can engage with others as opposed to posting up any old tosh that merely puts the EU in the wrong

there are arguments on both sides - you would do well to understand them

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9 minutes ago, Bill said:

err, the rest of us already knew that

however it does fly in the face of your previous claims that the EU should pay to fish in UK waters

and the problem is how do you deal with the quotas held by EU boats that were sold to them by UK fishermen

so again, why not have a proper read up on this so you can engage with others as opposed to posting up any old tosh that merely puts the EU in the wrong

there are arguments on both sides - you would do well to understand them

So what do the EU want ? We can let them fish in our waters if they reduce their catch, as part of the trade deal, which they don't want, EU to blame. 

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1 hour ago, Herman said:

It's like having a conversation with a plate of cauliflower cheese. 

At least you can eat cauliflower cheese 🤣

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11 hours ago, Surfer said:

Oh dear Jools. We have been over this before and provided the documentation that proves it .... to recap: 

The UK is a net importer of fish as most of the fish we prefer to eat are not caught in our waters. And British companies who obtained large quotas sold a significant portion of their quota to European based ones. 

Then Scotland and Northern Ireland and (Welsh speaking areas of) Wales are the three primary areas of the UK that voted to remain.... along with Londoners who may enjoy a wider palette. 

Wales' quota is a whopping £1.7 million 🤣🤣🤣 of which £1.4 million has been sold off.

Northern Ireland's is £72.6 million, of which only £1.2 million has been sold off, and Scotland's is £523 million, of which only £23.9 million has been sold off.

England's is £293.2 million, of which £160.1 million has been sold off.

So, the question I would ask is why did our fishermen sell off their quotas? This BBC article states that a lot was old off in the 1990s, when fishing rights were cut, but doesn't say why they sold them off.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52420116

 

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58 minutes ago, Mr Angry said:

At least you can eat cauliflower cheese 🤣

better informed debate too

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1 hour ago, Mr Apples said:

You'll be wanting a free trade agreement with Iraq, Armenia, Mauritania, Vietnam, Ethiopia, Russia, Yemen, Senegal, Thailand, Uzbekistan, Paraguay, Iran and Djibouti next. 🤭🤣

Apples

Beautifully done. I doubt Swindo has got it but its certainly appropriate for him

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