The Positive Brexit Thread

[SwindonCanary 455]

1 hour ago, Herman said:

"94% of Express readers"

 

What is that 7 maybe 8 people?

ASK SQUIT HE MUST WATCH IT ! PS It's a lot more 

Edited June 23, 2020 by SwindonCanary

[Bill 1,788]

7 minutes ago, Surfer said:

The One Nation the Tories refer to means England and Scotland and Northern Ireland. (and maybe also Wales) so if you lost either one of those two, wouldn't they would be rather upset? Maybe? 

It has generally mean the more moderate part of the party. Those who rose up against the Poll Tax. the Major years sleaze and most recently the idea the UK could be forced into importing filth from the US.

It was those who broke away last Spring, and although not MP still have a strong voice.

The opposite is the nutjobs and extremists like Rees-Mogg IDS,  and the back bench 'gammons'

However just like the Wind in the Willows when the stoats, weasels and ferrets had grabbed Toad Hall, their tenure will not be long - if only that lies and incompetence is never tolerated that long.

[SwindonCanary 455]

10 minutes ago, Surfer said:

The One Nation the Tories refer to means England and Scotland and Northern Ireland. (and maybe also Wales) so if you lost either one of those two, wouldn't they would be rather upset? Maybe? 

It certainly will not be Labour as they threw it away when the decided Scotland and Wales can have their own parliaments since then they've lost it all  to the SNP & Plaid Cymur

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[PurpleCanary 5,554]

2 hours ago, Surfer said:

The One Nation the Tories refer to means England and Scotland and Northern Ireland. (and maybe also Wales) so if you lost either one of those two, wouldn't they would be rather upset? Maybe? 

It is not to do with the UK as one  country is a geographical sense. It refers to Tories who  aim to appeal to all social classes, including the working class, rather than just their perceived natural voters in the upper and middle classes. So one-nation in an ideological sense. Back in the 1950s it was in effect what was called Butskellism, after a prominent Tory and the leader of the Labour Party.

[SwindonCanary 455]

One thing that's for sure we want out of the EU 

2014   Brexit won the EU elections 

2015 Conservatives supporting 'out' won the General election

2016 We won the Referendum 

2017 Conservatives supporting 'out' won the General election

2019 Brexit won Eu elections 

2019  Conservatives supporting 'out' won the General election

It's time you remainers gave up 

[Herman 9,717]

Interesting. 45 tory MPs voted against the government last night. 

[SHRIMPER 328]

9 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

 

2014   SWINDO WAS A FVCKWIT

2015 SWINDO WAS YET AGAIN A FVCKWIT

2016 SWINDO AN EVEN BIGGER FVCKWIT

2017 SWINDO BACK TO BEING JUST A FVCKWIT

2019 SWINDO A FVCKWIT OF GIGANTIC PROPORTIONS 

2019  SWINDO THE FVCKWIT, IS THE DOPEY FVCKWIT ON THESE BOARDS

2020 SWINDO IS STILL A FVCKWIT AND A PROVEN LIAR

It's time you members gave up on the FVCKWIT and BLOCKED him. Cut off the Trolls oxygen for good.

 

[SwindonCanary 455]

Nothing sensible to say ? Shimp

[How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,182]

Come 1st of January, what do you all think we will get?

1 - A great deal with our European friends and partners

2 - A deal paraded by Boris as a great deal, but in reality isn't that good 

3 - A basis of some agreements that  need further work and clarifications, but absolutely isn't an extension to the transition period, no sir, not at all 

4 - No deal, and it's all THEIR fault

5 - Something else?

Of course, it is subjective what a great deal is and, particularly with option 2, will likely involve a  load more arguing 

[How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,182]

.... Personally, I would like to see option 1, wouldn't we all? But I think options 2 and 3 are favourite 

I'm leaning towards 3 atm 

[Mr Angry 1,547]

 

Anybody who posts this as a serious comment clearly doesn't understand that it's far less common for white people to be abused, attacked or murdered by black people because of the colour of their skin and that it's far less common for heterosexuals to be abused, attacked or murdered by members of the LGBT community because of their sexuality.

As for the name calling about left/right and liberal/conservative, that is reciprocal and is pretty much what the political arguments have descended into nowadays.

[Herman 9,717]

44 minutes ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

.... Personally, I would like to see option 1, wouldn't we all? But I think options 2 and 3 are favourite 

I'm leaning towards 3 atm 

2 or 4 seems most likely to me. 

[Creative Midfielder 1,985]

1 hour ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

Come 1st of January, what do you all think we will get?

1 - A great deal with our European friends and partners

2 - A deal paraded by Boris as a great deal, but in reality isn't that good 

3 - A basis of some agreements that  need further work and clarifications, but absolutely isn't an extension to the transition period, no sir, not at all 

4 - No deal, and it's all THEIR fault

5 - Something else?

Of course, it is subjective what a great deal is and, particularly with option 2, will likely involve a  load more arguing 

4 has been the target for Johnson from the start and he remains right on target for it, so that seems by far the most likely outcome.

But given the number of screaming u-turns performed recently by Johnson (considerably more in the last few weeks than Margaret Thatcher in her entire 11 years, or whatever it was, as PM) I suppose anything is possible though 1 looks almost impossible - not sure even Johnson could manage such a tight u-turn as that.

[BigFish 1,986]

12 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

One thing that's for sure we want out of the EU 

2014   Brexit won the EU elections 

2015 Conservatives supporting 'out' won the General election

2016 We won the Referendum 

2017 Conservatives supporting 'out' won the General election

2019 Brexit won Eu elections 

2019  Conservatives supporting 'out' won the General election

It's time you remainers gave up 

Well four years after the referendum you Brexiteers have taken us out of the EU but apart from leaving on the 31st January have achieved the square root of **** all. Unless you include killing more civilians than World War Two or bringing car production in Swindon to an end. Now the choice will be a compromise on the EU's terms or a no deal that the government admits it will not be ready for. The EU on the other hand are ready to apply custom controls at the start of the year, so taking back control is now leaving our borders open while the EU close their's. Is that what you call success.

[BigFish 1,986]

4 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

4 has been the target for Johnson from the start and he remains right on target for it, so that seems by far the most likely outcome.

But given the number of screaming u-turns performed recently by Johnson (considerably more in the last few weeks than Margaret Thatcher in her entire 11 years, or whatever it was, as PM) I suppose anything is possible though 1 looks almost impossible - not sure even Johnson could manage such a tight u-turn as that.

Sorry CM, I think you overestimate Johnson. I don't believe he knows what he wants, that he is winging it and hoping something comes up. The EU are ready for 4, but will compromise if it is possible e.g. 2 or 3.  Johnson wants someone to clean up his mess or someone to blame either will do.

[Creative Midfielder 1,985]

1 minute ago, BigFish said:

Sorry CM, I think you overestimate Johnson. I don't believe he knows what he wants, that he is winging it and hoping something comes up. The EU are ready for 4, but will compromise if it is possible e.g. 2 or 3.  Johnson wants someone to clean up his mess or someone to blame either will do.

I would say that overestimating Johnson isn't something I normally do, but on this occasion you could be right 🙂

[SwindonCanary 455]

16 minutes ago, BigFish said:

Well four years after the referendum you Brexiteers have taken us out of the EU but apart from leaving on the 31st January have achieved the square root of **** all. Unless you include killing more civilians than World War Two or bringing car production in Swindon to an end. Now the choice will be a compromise on the EU's terms or a no deal that the government admits it will not be ready for. The EU on the other hand are ready to apply custom controls at the start of the year, so taking back control is now leaving our borders open while the EU close their's. Is that what you call success.

You have conveniently forgot keeping 3/4 of the nation in a job, whilst the lock down was on.

[BigFish 1,986]

Just now, SwindonCanary said:

You have conveniently forgot keeping 3/4 of the nation in a job, whilst the lock down was on.

Well, for a start 3/4 is just a figure that you made up. 600,000 jobs have already gone and 9 million are on the job protection scheme. The cost for this means that government debt is higher than GDP. The economy meanwhile has shrunk by 25%. Many of those on the JPS could experience deferred redundancy in the Autumn ahead of the economic self harm of the end of the transition period. 65,000 people have lost their lives, Honda are closing and the best success you can come up with is the biggest borrowing splurge since WW2.

[SwindonCanary 455]

please tell me how Honda leaving is anything to do with Boris find evidence from Honda not comments

Don't you think saving 9 million jobs is a good thing ?

Edited June 24, 2020 by SwindonCanary

[BigFish 1,986]

2 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

please tell me how Honda leaving is anything to do with Boris find evidence from Honda not comments

Don't you think saving 9 million jobs is a good thing ?

Brexit killed the viability of the Honda factory

The 9 million jobs arn't saved, people are being paid to sit at home while the scheme is running. When Sunak runs the scheme down many will lose those "jobs".

Edited June 24, 2020 by BigFish

[SwindonCanary 455]

Honda had nothing to do with Brexit and do you think they should not have paid those 9 million people ? 

[BigFish 1,986]

18 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

Honda had nothing to do with Brexit and do you think they should not have paid those 9 million people ? 

You may believe that but it is obviously true. (and Nissan Sunderland will go the same way unless some kind of rescue package is created.

The JPS is not a success, in the same way as avoiding swerving off the road is not a success. It was the right thing to do, but the economy remains trashed and unemployment is heading only one way.

[SwindonCanary 455]

then why did Honda close all factories in Europe ?  discarding if if they were in the EU or not   

[Creative Midfielder 1,985]

3 minutes ago, BigFish said:

You may believe that but it is obviously true. (and Nissan Sunderland will go the same way unless some kind of rescue package is created.

The JPS is not a success, in the same way as avoiding swerving off the road is not a success. It was the right thing to do, but the economy remains trashed and unemployment is heading only one way.

And the cost of the JPS is astronomic - many times what it would have been if the government had handled the pandemic competently and effectively.

But the multiple mistakes made by the Government have resulted both in an appalling death toll and meant that the lockdown has had to last much longer, and therefore cost vastly more, than in countries who responded more effectively (i.e almost the entire Western world with the exception of Trump!).

We now have a shambles of an unlock taking place without us having got anywhere near meeting the criteria that the scientists advised and Johnson insisted would have to be in place before unlocking, so there is now a very high chance of us suffering another surge of deaths and further economic hit in the months to come.

Johnson owns this problem - his leadership has been non-existant and his handling of it utterly incompetent.

[SwindonCanary 455]

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-140000-excess-deaths-across-europe-in-march-and-april/

[Creative Midfielder 1,985]

1 minute ago, SwindonCanary said:

then why did Honda close all factories in Europe ?  discarding if if they were in the EU or not   

You seem to have forgotten that even when Honda were closing other factories they insisted that they were still committed to Swindon (the factory, not your good self!) but this was when we were still being told that Brexit would come with a frictionless FTA.

When it became crystal clear there was no possibility of a frictionless FTA (and quite possibly no deal at all) then Honda had no choice but to ditch Swindon - as many of us had been predicting for a long while. No particular foresight required there - Honda and Nissan have both made it very clear that although they wanted to remain in the UK it simply isn't viable for them without the Customs Union and Single Market, or an alternative deal that looks very, very similar.

Johnson has quite explicitly ruled out that sort of deal, mind you given the frequency with which he lies he could still change his mind. But its very unlikely and since Honda (and Nissan) need to plan years ahead they are not going to invest in such an unstable business environment as the UK in 2020 - something that a lot of other companies are undoubtedly thinking as well.

[Herman 9,717]

65 thousand excess deaths in the UK. 4 countries. 

140 thousand excess deaths in 20 EU countries. 

I'm not sure what point is being made? 

[PurpleCanary 5,554]

7 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

You seem to have forgotten that even when Honda were closing other factories they insisted that they were still committed to Swindon (the factory, not your good self!) but this was when we were still being told that Brexit would come with a frictionless FTA.

When it became crystal clear there was no possibility of a frictionless FTA (and quite possibly no deal at all) then Honda had no choice but to ditch Swindon - as many of us had been predicting for a long while. No particular foresight required there - Honda and Nissan have both made it very clear that although they wanted to remain in the UK it simply isn't viable for them without the Customs Union and Single Market, or an alternative deal that looks very, very similar.

Johnson has quite explicitly ruled out that sort of deal, mind you given the frequency with which he lies he could still change his mind. But its very unlikely and since Honda (and Nissan) need to plan years ahead they are not going to invest in such an unstable business environment as the UK in 2020 - something that a lot of other companies are undoubtedly thinking as well.

In  its second statement on the closure (hurriedly issued because absolutely no-one had believed the first statement's attempt to absolve Brexit) Honda admitted the impending loss of frictionless trade because of Brexit had been a factor in the decision.