The Positive Brexit Thread

[horsefly 5,149]

15 minutes ago, Fen Canary said:

So no mention of fertiliser, petrol or supermarkets gouging the growers, which were the complaints in your article regarding the berries which you tried to link to the referendum.

I’ll leave it there because I know once you start you simply repeat yourself and throw out insults ad nauseam until the other person gets bored and gives up, therefore I’ll save us both a couple of hours by ending the conversation now.

Ill leave you to blaming Covid, the Ukraine War and the time your bike was stolen on Brexit in peace 

So no mention of the Farmers' Weekly article explaining why Brexit has caused massive harm to all farmers. No mention that berry growers no longer want to export their produce to the EU market because Brexit regulations means their produce mostly perishes while awaiting days of those checks, ... etc, etc, etc.

[horsefly 5,149]

28 minutes ago, Fen Canary said:

So no mention of fertiliser, petrol or supermarkets gouging the growers, which were the complaints in your article regarding the berries which you tried to link to the referendum.

I’ll leave it there because I know once you start you simply repeat yourself and throw out insults ad nauseam until the other person gets bored and gives up, therefore I’ll save us both a couple of hours by ending the conversation now.

Ill leave you to blaming Covid, the Ukraine War and the time your bike was stolen on Brexit in peace 

Silly me for thinking that actual farmers, the National Farmers Union, and Farmers Weekly, etc, know more about the effects of Brexit on farming than you do. How could I have made such an obvious blunder 🤪

[Yellow Fever 4,316]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/29/eu-fresh-proposal-youth-mobility-scheme-uk

Clearly something like this is going to eventually happen.

The say 67 is the new 30.... 😉

Or perhaps the 'age' will increase 1year per year as proposed with the smoking ban...

 

[Herman 10,946]

8 years. Still the same old bollox.

 

[PurpleCanary 6,196]

16 minutes ago, Herman said:

8 years. Still the same old bollox.

 

This is Daniel "Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market" Hannan.

[Herman 10,946]

5 hours ago, PurpleCanary said:

This is Daniel "Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market" Hannan.

 

[Herman 10,946]

VAT on posh schools is a brexit freedom. Nice bit of irony there. 😁

[littleyellowbirdie 3,046]

4 hours ago, Herman said:

VAT on posh schools is a brexit freedom. Nice bit of irony there. 😁

You can probably chalk it up as a positive of Brexit in that case; the treasury taking VAT on the places of so many overseas students can only be a good thing. 

Not sure what's ironic about it though. 

[Herman 10,946]

Well the people most likely to be upset by this tax are the people that sold brexit to the country. 

And the ones most likely to approve are the people that hate brexit. 

I think that's ironic. I could be wrong. 

[PurpleCanary 6,196]

Red tape on British businesses created by the Brexit trade deal has led to a sharp fall in UK-EU goods trade, a new report shows.

Academics at Aston Business School have analysed the impact of the Trade and Cooperation Agreement (TCA) on UK-EU trade relations – and found that trade is down by over a quarter.

They say:

The findings reveal a sharp decline in both UK exports and imports with the EU, underscoring the enduring challenges posed by Brexit on the UK’s trade competitiveness.

Between 2021 and 2023, monthly data show a 27% drop in UK exports and a 32% reduction in imports to and from the EU, the report shows.

 

 Photograph: Aston Business School

It also shows there has been a significant reduction in the range of goods the UK trades with the EU, due to the “profound and ongoing stifling” effects of the TCA.

This includes a “significant decline” in consumer goods exports to the EU and corresponding UK imports, which suggests the UK is dropping out of EU value chains.

However, the UK remains dependent on the EU for intermediate and capital goods.

And worryingly, these problems are expected to intensify.

The report says:

The study highlights that the negative impacts of the TCA have intensified over time, with 2023 showing more pronounced trade declines than previous years. This suggests that the transition in UK-EU trade relations post-Brexit is not merely a short-term disruption but reflects deeper structural changes likely to persist.

 

Edited September 17 by PurpleCanary

[Herman 10,946]

Part of a longer interview. Amen to the lot of it.

 

[Herman 10,946]

This is true.

 

[littleyellowbirdie 3,046]

1 hour ago, Herman said:

This is true.

 

This is exactly how pointless campaigners like you make things worse: The story here is that the EU is holding up shipments with no very good reason and giving no warning to exporters. And yet you're glossing over that and the fact this harm shouldn't be happening in or our of the EU to use it as a pointless campaigning tool to bemoan something that has happened and won't be reversed.

It's now you and people like you causing problems by tub thumping for the EU at the expense of the welfare of your own country.

Edited September 22 by littleyellowbirdie

[Herman 10,946]

You really don't have a ****ing clue what you are talking about anymore, do you?

[littleyellowbirdie 3,046]

14 minutes ago, Herman said:

You really don't have a ****ing clue what you are talking about anymore, do you?

Yes I do; the problem is that you don't.

[Herman 10,946]

You're trying to explain to someone who works in an industry how their industry works. That's how bad you have got.

[littleyellowbirdie 3,046]

7 minutes ago, Herman said:

You're trying to explain to someone who works in an industry how their industry works. That's how bad you have got.

If that's the case, please correct me on how my understanding of the story that the EU side of the customs process just stopped processing with no prior warning to the UK industry and no explanation for several weeks, allowing shipments to be sent off and just held to wither and die, is inaccurate.

Edited September 22 by littleyellowbirdie

[Herman 10,946]

We didn’t need any of this nonsense pre-brexit. What part of that is hard to understand? 

[A Load of Squit 6,040]

8 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

If that's the case, please correct me on how my understanding of the story that the EU side of the customs process just stopped processing with no prior warning to the UK industry and no explanation for several weeks, allowing shipments to be sent off and just held to wither and die, is inaccurate.

That's easy, the bit in bold is the clue.

[Herman 10,946]

35 minutes ago, Herman said:

You're trying to explain to someone who works in an industry how their industry works. That's how bad you have got.

As I have proved time and again I have zero patience with birdie so I will try and explain how my industry works pre and post brexit, to the best of my knowledge, later on. 

[littleyellowbirdie 3,046]

26 minutes ago, Herman said:

We didn’t need any of this nonsense pre-brexit. What part of that is hard to understand? 

And that's exactly my point: That's all you harp on about regardless of the fact that it's done and will not be reversed.

Not only that, but actually your refusal to apportion any blame to the EU for what it's doing now means the EU feels it can carry on like this. I'd have thought someone in the industry that's suffering as you claim to be might be a bit more mindful of that.

Is it really in your personal interests for the EU carrying on acting as it is doing now?

Edited September 22 by littleyellowbirdie

[littleyellowbirdie 3,046]

11 minutes ago, Herman said:

As I have proved time and again I have zero patience with birdie so I will try and explain how my industry works pre and post brexit, to the best of my knowledge, later on. 

You can do whatever you like on that score, but this episode was clearly entirely avoidable if the EU had simply communicated with the UK industry about what was going on. If the UK government had done similar to an EU industry you'd be apoplectic at the UK government, but as it's the EU at fault, it's 'we'd never have this if it wasn't for Brexit'.

Actually, maybe you wouldn't be apoplectic at the government seeing as it's now the Labour party that would be responsible for it.

 

Edited September 22 by littleyellowbirdie

[Aggy 931]

26 minutes ago, Herman said:

As I have proved time and again I have zero patience with birdie so I will try and explain how my industry works pre and post brexit, to the best of my knowledge, later on. 

He’s got an old school friend / neighbour / customer who knows far more about it than you though, so not much point.

[littleyellowbirdie 3,046]

13 minutes ago, Aggy said:

He’s got an old school friend / neighbour / customer who knows far more about it than you though, so not much point.

If you ever had any good arguments/rebuttals to make, you might occasionally depart from your usual trope of jumping in trying to bait with mockery while saying nothing whatsoever of interest.

Edited September 22 by littleyellowbirdie

[Aggy 931]

26 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

If you ever had any good arguments/rebuttals to make, you might occasionally depart from your usual trope of jumping in trying to bait with mockery while saying nothing whatsoever of interest.

If I ever have a good argument/rebuttal I won’t bother wasting it on you

[A Load of Squit 6,040]

44 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

If you ever had any good arguments/rebuttals to make, you might occasionally depart from your usual trope of jumping in trying to bait with mockery while saying nothing whatsoever of interest.

As apposed to your quantity over quality approach.

[Herman 10,946]

1 hour ago, Herman said:

As I have proved time and again I have zero patience with birdie so I will try and explain how my industry works pre and post brexit, to the best of my knowledge, later on. 

A quick explainer in a simplified form for anyone that is interested and not just desperate to muddy the waters.

Pre-Brexit:

Plants would be loaded in the country of origin and sent to their customers, with relevant, but minimal paperwork, including plant passports for plants that could carry certain pests/diseases. Everything is unloaded at the end and checked over. If any plants look bad they are isolated and the relevant agencies are informed.

Regular plant health checks were taken by the relevant authorities and any issues were passed down and up the chain.

Any outbreak of something, like fireblight for instance, the authorities would be notified and, using the plant passport system, these could be traced back to source and be destroyed and the seller could be quarantined.The horticulture industry is pretty good at self-regulation too so any problems would quickly get down the grapevine, pardon the pun.

Post-Brexit:

Plants are loaded in the normal way, in the country of origin, but now reams more paperwork is necessary to export to a third country.

The plants now get to be checked at the border posts and if any plants look iffy the whole consignment is stopped from moving on down the chain, leading to the large hold-ups and frustration. This leads to knock-on effects as explained in the FT article.

Plants are loaded in different ways. Some are flat, some are on trollies and some are loaded diagonally, in layers, through a whole truck. This third option is causing problems because they are hard to unload and reload, and there aren't enough or experienced enough staff at the borders. So these are sitting there, going off, like living matter tends to do.

 

In a nutshell we have gone form a system, although not perfect, that tended to work smoothly to a system that has been hastily and poorly arranged, understaffed and where any duff information can and will seriously hamper operations.

 

 

[littleyellowbirdie 3,046]

42 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

As apposed to your quantity over quality approach.

You wouldn't know quality if it kicked you in the balls.

1 hour ago, Aggy said:

If I ever have a good argument/rebuttal I won’t bother wasting it on you

Good of you to implicitly acknowledge that you've  never had one.

[Aggy 931]

9 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

 

Good of you to implicitly acknowledge that you've  never had one.

Yes, it was a jokey response with a bit of self depreciating humour and suggesting you’re a bit dim. Looks like it landed about right.

[littleyellowbirdie 3,046]

Just now, Aggy said:

Yes, it was a jokey response with a bit of self depreciating humour and suggesting you’re a bit dim. Looks like it landed about right.

Jokey? You and Squit have that in common, dressing up vapid bits of personally-targeted baiting, accompanied by no useful contribution at all, in response to people making a serious point that you don't like.

It wouldn't be so bad if your comments were accompanied by anything attempting to discuss what you're replying to with even a pretense of reasoned thought, but there isn't.