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6 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

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Average levels from 2020 when we had months of lockdown, borders shut down and very little trade due to a global pandemic? **** me, you lot set the bar low if that's a measure of success 🤣

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9 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

what year did we stop being part of the EU ?

In 2020 we left in name only, the transition period.

On the 1st  Jan 2021 left a bit more but shafted Northern Ireland.

Currently we've left but we haven't for some like the Financial Sector who are trying to pretend that we're still able to be the major trading centre but loads of jobs and assets have transferred to EU countries.

Some companies have left the EU but then the British Government advised them to re-join but setting up in the EU  therefore paying tax in the EU and employing EU citizens.

Some companies have left as they cannot justify trading with the EU as their overheads have increased so much that it's no longer viable for them to trade with the EU.

Currently Lord Frost is trying to leave again by re-negotiating the terrible deal he negotiated in early December 2020, oh by the way, when he negotiated the deal he and his boss told us it was a brilliant deal, I bet they feel a bit foolish now!

Financially we haven't left as we'll still be paying into the EU budget for about 40 years.

Hope that helps 😀

 

 

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12 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

covid did nothing to stop imports or exports

perhaps you should take a look at the RHA figures for the relevant period.

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Lord Frost says the deal that Lord Frost negotiated is dead in the water. That's a new one.*

 

*It's not a new one.

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8 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

Jesus! Don't you get it yet? These people tell you story after story to keep your gullible tiny minds thinking they know what they are doing and have a plan. Breaching the NI protocol would be an illegal breach of the brexit deal they signed. End of story.

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On 15/05/2021 at 09:33, Herman said:

Even after seeing that map, brexiters will still not get why Scotland wants to go its own way rather than being dragged into something they overwhelmingly voted against.

Scotland doesn't want to go its own way. The last 13 opinion polls showed 44% wanted a breakaway, a minority. 

Scots are very canny to vote SNP because they get the best of all worlds, big handouts from London which would disappear under any other party. 

Sturgeon knows if she forced a referendum today she would lose. 

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24 minutes ago, Herman said:

Lord Frost says the deal that Lord Frost negotiated is dead in the water. That's a new one.*

 

*It's not a new one.

I have only seen the first two paras but the gist of Frost's complaint seems to be that the EU is correctly abiding by and enforcing the deal he negotiated on Johnson's behalf...

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29 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Jesus! Don't you get it yet? These people tell you story after story to keep your gullible tiny minds thinking they know what they are doing and have a plan. Breaching the NI protocol would be an illegal breach of the brexit deal they signed. End of story.

Not end of story. If the breach comes within Article 16 then it would be allowed. Boris and Frost were very smart when they negotiated A16, now you are beginning to see why. 

The EU fell into our trap by executing A16 late on Friday night in a fit of pique over vaccine supplies  and now they are going to receive some Karma. 

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1 minute ago, Rock The Boat said:

Not end of story. If the breach conies with Article 16 then it would be allowed. Boris and Frost were very smart when they negotiated A16, now you are beginning to see why. 

The EU fell into our trap by executing A16 late on Friday night in a fit of pique over vaccine supplies  and now they are going to receive some Karma. 

Wrong again!

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5 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Wrong again!

No I am not wrong. Article 16 lays out terms where the NI protocol can be set aside.  You can be sure government lawyers are aware of this 

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5 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said:

I have only seen the first two paras but the gist of Frost's complaint seems to be that the EU is correctly abiding by and enforcing the deal he negotiated on Johnson's behalf...

In a nutshell.👍😀

This comment is from a Conservative member of the NI Committee, Simon Hoare MP, commenting on another Borisgraph editorial brainfart.

"Para “the effects of the Protocol .....” is misleading and fundamentally wrong. The UK and EU negotiated the Protocol. Together. It was not an one sided impost. Disagree with it if you like BUT get the *basic* facts right."

 

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3 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

No I am not wrong. Article 16 lays out terms where the NI protocol can be set aside.  You can be sure government lawyers are aware of this 

Then they are the most retarded lawyers ever employed if it's taking this long to find the "loophole". As ever you are talking utter crap. It's the EU that that outfoxed the desperate Frost and Johnson.

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18 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Then they are the most retarded lawyers ever employed if it's taking this long to find the "loophole". As ever you are talking utter crap. It's the EU that that outfoxed the desperate Frost and Johnson.

There is no loophole. In extremis either side can set aside the NI part of the deal but then the other side can take retaliatory action. And if the UK's actions threaten to give it an open door into the single market, which is almost certainly what is behind this, the EU has various punitive options, up to and including scrapping the entire Brexit trade deal.

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18 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said:

There is no loophole. In extremis either side can set aside the NI part of the deal but then the other side can take retaliatory action. And if the UK's actions threaten to give it an open door into the single market, which is almost certainly what is behind this, the EU has various punitive options, up to and including scrapping the entire Brexit trade deal.

Exactly! If the UK tries to set aside the NI protocol they will be taken to court by the EU for a breach of contract as there are no grounds under A16 to do so. The idea that the UK had outfoxed the EU in the provisions of A16 is utter nonsense. The UK's continual threats to junk the protocol followed up by no action whatsoever ought to be enough evidence for any rational individual that the UK knows it can't succeeed in such an action without destroying the entire brexit deal. 

The real motive behind this constant carping about the NI protocol is the government's attempt to change the narrative from one that highlights it's own deception of the NI people to one in which the EU are nasty monsters seeking revenge for brexit. In other words, just another attempt at a Tory con trick

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NFU president, Minette Batters,  fears Liz Truss' desperation to complete post-brexit trade deals are throwing UK farmers under a bus:

NFU President: You can't level up by throwing family farms under a bus

Last year, The Mail on Sunday ran a major campaign to save this country's family farms from the very real threat of trade deals which would have brought imports of cheaply produced, substandard food into this country.

More than a million people signed a petition to say this would never be acceptable. And, as a result, the Government promised to create a commission charged with scrutinising new trade deals and their impact on the farming industry.

But one year later, I am increasingly concerned. Once again, there is a cloud looming over our farmers, our landscapes and our ability to produce our own food on these islands.

The United Kingdom is currently in trade negotiations with a number of major agricultural producers, including Australia, New Zealand and the United States of America. Some of these talks have reached a crucial stage.

 

And it's clear that negotiators from Australia and New Zealand are sticking firm to their hardline demands for the complete removal of tariffs on all their exports to the UK.

This would make life unbearable for small British family farms, which, remember, must respect British laws governing high farm standards.

It will be all but impossible to compete with vast volumes of imports from the southern hemisphere produced in a very different manner.

Not unless we lower our standards to compete with them – and turn our backs on the iconic British countryside.

Surely no one can want our green and pleasant land to become like the Australian Outback or the American dust bowl.

I have huge admiration for farmers across the world, not least our cousins in Australia and New Zealand.

But their farms are very different to ours and on a very different scale. And were we to throw our doors wide open to their exports, the stark differences in the way we operate would spell major trouble.

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2 hours ago, horsefly said:

Exactly! If the UK tries to set aside the NI protocol they will be taken to court by the EU for a breach of contract as there are no grounds under A16 to do so. The idea that the UK had outfoxed the EU in the provisions of A16 is utter nonsense. The UK's continual threats to junk the protocol followed up by no action whatsoever ought to be enough evidence for any rational individual that the UK knows it can't succeeed in such an action without destroying the entire brexit deal. 

The real motive behind this constant carping about the NI protocol is the government's attempt to change the narrative from one that highlights it's own deception of the NI people to one in which the EU are nasty monsters seeking revenge for brexit. In other words, just another attempt at a Tory con trick

It's not a contract so it can't be a breach of contract. It is a treaty. And it is a treaty that contains several articles of which A16 is one. If A16 is invoked it still isn't a breach of the treaty, it is part of the treaty being invoked. The government will be advised by its lawyers as to whether it can legitimately have cause to invoke A16 and the government will proceed taking into account the advice it has received.

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3 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

Not end of story. If the breach comes within Article 16 then it would be allowed. Boris and Frost were very smart when they negotiated A16, now you are beginning to see why. 

The EU fell into our trap by executing A16 late on Friday night in a fit of pique over vaccine supplies  and now they are going to receive some Karma. 

No they weren't. It was all they had left to get the agreement done by the date (one of several that Boris had said was the last). 

They still will not admit that they never even considered NI when pushing their Brexit mantra. Oh siht would have been heard from most of Boris's orifices.

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1 hour ago, horsefly said:

NFU president, Minette Batters,  fears Liz Truss' desperation to complete post-brexit trade deals are throwing UK farmers under a bus:

NFU President: You can't level up by throwing family farms under a bus

Last year, The Mail on Sunday ran a major campaign to save this country's family farms from the very real threat of trade deals which would have brought imports of cheaply produced, substandard food into this country.

More than a million people signed a petition to say this would never be acceptable. And, as a result, the Government promised to create a commission charged with scrutinising new trade deals and their impact on the farming industry.

But one year later, I am increasingly concerned. Once again, there is a cloud looming over our farmers, our landscapes and our ability to produce our own food on these islands.

The United Kingdom is currently in trade negotiations with a number of major agricultural producers, including Australia, New Zealand and the United States of America. Some of these talks have reached a crucial stage.

 

And it's clear that negotiators from Australia and New Zealand are sticking firm to their hardline demands for the complete removal of tariffs on all their exports to the UK.

This would make life unbearable for small British family farms, which, remember, must respect British laws governing high farm standards.

It will be all but impossible to compete with vast volumes of imports from the southern hemisphere produced in a very different manner.

Not unless we lower our standards to compete with them – and turn our backs on the iconic British countryside.

Surely no one can want our green and pleasant land to become like the Australian Outback or the American dust bowl.

I have huge admiration for farmers across the world, not least our cousins in Australia and New Zealand.

But their farms are very different to ours and on a very different scale. And were we to throw our doors wide open to their exports, the stark differences in the way we operate would spell major trouble.

Before we joined the Common Market, New Zealand had just two export products, butter and sheep meat, and one customer, the United Kingdom. When we joined the Common Market we threw New Zealand under the bus, and to a certain extent, Australia. It was a massive body blow that we inflicted on the New Zealanders.

However, being extremely resourceful people and having lost their export market, they diversified their export product range and went out to capture new markets all across the globe, a remarkable achievement for an isolated country. Our joining the CM was probably the best thing that happened to NZ as they were previously over-reliant on the home nation, and we let them down.

Now we find ourselves in a not too dissimilar situation to the New Zealanders. We can diversify from our over-reliance on financial services and we can capture market share in new emerging markets. We can be flexible and nimble - just as we have proven with sourcing and rolling out covid vaccines, proof that we are a match to any other country if we want to be. There are those who want to cling to the familiar, where the EU is some kind of comfort blanket. But for the brave and the bold there is a world of opportunity out there.

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7 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

No they weren't. It was all they had left to get the agreement done by the date (one of several that Boris had said was the last). 

They still will not admit that they never even considered NI when pushing their Brexit mantra. Oh siht would have been heard from most of Boris's orifices.

Mate, believe what you want if it makes you feel comfortable but Article 16 was a great big ace up the sleeve for Boris, and now you can see how the card is going to be played. It's not just the EU that can withdraw from the Brexit deal, we can too.

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1 minute ago, Rock The Boat said:

Mate, believe what you want if it makes you feel comfortable but Article 16 was a great big ace up the sleeve for Boris, and now you can see how the card is going to be played. It's not just the EU that can withdraw from the Brexit deal, we can too.

Article 16 works both ways if either side was unhappy. it was put in as a valve. Not for Boris to negotiate and the renege.

 

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11 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Article 16 works both ways if either side was unhappy. it was put in as a valve. Not for Boris to negotiate and the renege.

 

It certainly does work both ways. And if the advice given to Boris is that the EU has acted in such a way that Article 16 can be invoked then it's not renegating on the treaty, it's saying the EU has broken the terms of the treaty and they are the guilty party.

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49 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Article 16 works both ways if either side was unhappy. it was put in as a valve. Not for Boris to negotiate and the renege.

 

The idea that the UK somehow slipped this past the EU is just the latest Brexiter fantasy. The EU is too well acquainted with La perfide Albion and Le perfide Boris in particular. It wanted that clause because it knew Johnson, given his loose relationship with truth and fidelity, could not be trusted to keep to the deal.

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3 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

Before we joined the Common Market, New Zealand had just two export products, butter and sheep meat, and one customer, the United Kingdom. When we joined the Common Market we threw New Zealand under the bus, and to a certain extent, Australia. It was a massive body blow that we inflicted on the New Zealanders.

However, being extremely resourceful people and having lost their export market, they diversified their export product range and went out to capture new markets all across the globe, a remarkable achievement for an isolated country. Our joining the CM was probably the best thing that happened to NZ as they were previously over-reliant on the home nation, and we let them down.

Now we find ourselves in a not too dissimilar situation to the New Zealanders. We can diversify from our over-reliance on financial services and we can capture market share in new emerging markets. We can be flexible and nimble - just as we have proven with sourcing and rolling out covid vaccines, proof that we are a match to any other country if we want to be. There are those who want to cling to the familiar, where the EU is some kind of comfort blanket. But for the brave and the bold there is a world of opportunity out there.

A pathetic pile of piffle and waffle that even colonel Blimp would have been too ashamed to spout. Not a single substantive word in response to the concerns voiced by the president of the NFU. You can spout grandiose but utterly meaningless words about being "bold", "flexible", "nimble", and "brave" as much as you like, it makes not a jot of difference to farmers whose livelihoods are being imperilled by Truss' desperation to do any kind of deal post brexit. Indeed, such words are nothing more than euphemisms for a dash to the the bottom in food standards that the UK's desperately weak negotiating position is precipitating. 

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