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1 hour ago, horsefly said:

You're not even a useful idiot, just a very obvious idiot of the kind that a village would be proud to ridicule.

Says you who is obviously among the 13% of prize idiots who think the EU has been acting in a friendly manner toward the UK 🙃

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4 minutes ago, Jools said:

Says you who is obviously among the 13% of prize idiots who think the EU has been acting in a friendly manner toward the UK 🙃

What the hell has "acting in a friendly manner" got to do with anything you buffoon. All that is required is for both sides to negotiate according to the laws and rules of the agreement. The only side so far who has threatened to breach those (international) laws and rules is the UK government. Grow up you pathetic child.

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49 minutes ago, Herman said:

Technically the vaccine rollout has nothing to do with brexit but the British press have played another blinder in persuading the British people that it was. Well done.👍

There's a third wave of the virus sweeping across mainland Europe as new variants hit the unvaccinated...

This isn't happening in Brexit Britain 🙃

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4 hours ago, horsefly said:

Yep, have heard very similar remarks from a couple of DUP politicians over the last week or so who tried the 'its not Brexit its the Protocol' line and then tying themselves into a complete knot trying to explain away their support for Brexit (in a country that voted Remain) when it was pointed out that the Protocol was an integral part of Johnson's Brexit deal - total bunch of idiots 😂

Makes you wonder also why they are so determined to remain a part of the UK which completely ignores them most of the time and then when the chips were down completely shafted them.

They look and sound completely desperate to me - the last few years have been disastrous for the unionists in general and the DUP in particular. Added to the changing demographics (those ics that Ricardo doesn't believe in) which for the first time since Ireland was partitioned mean that the protestant/unionist majority has now already turned into a minority and is continuing to shrink further.

And now saddled with the protocol meaning that there are economic and trade barriers between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK, whilst there is an open border with free movment between Northern Ireland and the third biggest market on the globe.

From here it looks a no brainer as to how it plasy out but of course being NI in practice it will be very messy - nevertheless everything seems to be aligning towards re-unifinication of Ireland or implementing the 'will of the people' as Brexiteers are so fond of saying.

 

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Just now, Jools said:

There's a third wave of the virus sweeping across mainland Europe as new variants hit the unvaccinated...

This isn't happening in Brexit Britain 🙃

Christ almighty! Yet another intellectually retarded buffoon incapable of understanding the words of Kate Bingham and Dr June Raine who have both said that brexit was irrelevant to the authorisation and roll-out of the vaccines. But if you want to play childish games then it is also the case that Brexit Britain has by far the highest death toll on the European continent, and the fifth highest in the world. So by your logic Brexit Britain is responsible for the calamitous killing of 127,000 of our fellow citizens. Ridiculous isn't it? so stop playing such childish and pathetic games and act like an adult. You ought to be ashamed to post smiling emojis while gloating at the prospect of people dying from this dreadful virus, but of course we all know that you won't because your only motivation to post is your hatred of foreigners.

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6 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Christ almighty! Yet another intellectually retarded buffoon incapable of understanding the words of Kate Bingham and Dr June Raine who have both said that brexit was irrelevant to the authorisation and roll-out of the vaccines. 

You know full well (and so should Bingham & June, but I can let them off as they don't do politics) that as part of the EU the UK would have had to do what all the other member states did; put themselves under EU direction and authority on procurement and distribution. 

If you deny the above you're not worthy of conversation and I suggest you do everyone a favour here by having a few days away from this site.

 

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Just now, Jools said:

You know full well (and so should Bingham & June, but I can let them off as they don't do politics) that as part of the EU the UK would have had to do what all the other member states did; put themselves under EU direction and authority on procurement and distribution. 

 

 

A complete lie as you know full well. We were still in the EU and acting under EU regulations when we authorised the AZ vaccine ahead of other EU nations (precisely the point Raine made at the time). Only a truly thick buffoon like you is incapable of processing that rather simple fact. But don't worry, nursey will be around soon to tuck you up and give you something to help defog the remnants of your shrivelled brain.

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17 minutes ago, horsefly said:

You ought to be ashamed to post smiling emojis while gloating at the prospect of people dying from this dreadful virus, but of course we all know that you won't because your only motivation to post is your hatred of foreigners.

Are you asking me do be ashamed of the EU's dismal vaccination roll-out? Well, yes, I am and so should you be, but nay, you actually back everything the EU do!

Get that, coco? You and your EU loving cohorts are the people supporting the prospect of others dying from the virus.

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Just now, Jools said:

Are you asking me do be ashamed of the EU's dismal vaccination roll-out? Well, yes, I am and so should you be, but nay, you actually back everything the EU do!

Get that, coco? You and your EU loving cohorts are the people supporting the prospect of others dying from the virus.

What a hideous racist tosspot you are!

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3 minutes ago, Jools said:

You know full well (and so should Bingham & June, but I can let them off as they don't do politics) that as part of the EU the UK would have had to do what all the other member states did; put themselves under EU direction and authority on procurement and distribution. 

If you deny the above you're not worthy of conversation and I suggest you do everyone a favour here by having a few days away from this site.

 

Complete and utter load of s****. Wether they had it right or wrong what you have said there is simply not true. Bit like the £350 million a week to the NHS and there will never be a NI border. 
Maybe Farage should consider giving his monthly EU pension to Covax instead of ripping off people. 

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4 minutes ago, Jools said:

Are you asking me do be ashamed of the EU's dismal vaccination roll-out? Well, yes, I am and so should you be, but nay, you actually back everything the EU do!

Get that, coco? You and your EU loving cohorts are the people supporting the prospect of others dying from the virus.

That was news for 2 weeks ago, they are now vaccinating huge numbers daily even Johnson has stopped mentioning that one.

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49 minutes ago, Jools said:

There's a third wave of the virus sweeping across mainland Europe as new variants hit the unvaccinated...

This isn't happening in Brexit Britain 🙃

Indeed that’s the only thing the UK managed to export to the EU free of charge our UK variant causing the third wave! 👍 Shame our bumbling buffoon didn’t manage to sort out Brexit in the years he had to sort it out!

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The economic cost of the EU’s vaccine catastrophe ~ By Matthew Lynn


It didn’t order enough vaccines, spent too little money, dithered over authorisation and then lashed out at the companies making them. Over the last few weeks, the catastrophe of the European Union’s vaccine roll-out has become painfully clear to everyone. We are already starting to see the toll it is taking on the continent’s health, with a brutal third wave sweeping across mainland Europe as new variants hit an unvaccinated population, and with fresh lockdowns, overflowing hospitals, and death tolls still climbing as they fall dramatically elsewhere. And yet there is also a second stage to that crisis – an economic catastrophe – that is just getting started.

This morning, new terrible figures were released for industrial production in Europe. In Germany, output was down by 1.6 per cent month on month, although all the forecasts were for output to increase significantly. France was far worse, with a 4.7 per cent fall in production, despite forecasts of an expansion, while across the border in Spain growth was stagnant. Overall, predictions of an economic expansion this year are starting to be scaled back, and that is likely to continue the longer countries remain locked down.

It is not hard to understand what is happening. As economies are forced to close down to keep infection rates under control, output inevitably suffers. Meanwhile rivals such as Britain and the United States are starting to open up again, while most of Asia never closed down in the same way. Their companies can operate normally, while German, French, and Italian rivals are not allowed to. It will hardly be a great surprise if they are winning orders while continental competitors are losing them.

In truth, the economic damage is going to get worse. Industry and services will remain locked down for far longer than was necessary, and will take far longer to recover. A far larger percentage will also never come back. Government debt will climb even higher, as tax revenues are depressed, and the cost of support measures continues to rise. Germany might be able to afford that, but France is already the fourth biggest debtor in the world measured by total amount owed, while Italy may reach the point where its debts become unsustainable without some form of write-off – even with the European Central Bank printing money like crazy. A second missed tourist season will inflict huge damage on the heavily-indebted economies of Southern Europe (tourism accounts for 21 per cent of GDP in Greece, and 12 per cent in Spain). Meanwhile, by seizing supplies, the EU has trashed its reputation as a place to do business, and the memory of its bungling, aggressive incompetence will stick around for a long time. Many global investors won’t think of Germany as the hyper-efficient country they thought it was, or France and the Netherlands as places where property rights are respected.

The vaccination disaster will be fixed eventually. Germany managed more than 700,000 vaccinations a day this week, and France has gone above 400,000. More supplies will arrive over the next two months. People will be inoculated, and Covid-19 will come under control. But the economic catastrophe is just starting – and that will soon be a far bigger problem for the continent.

As part of the EU the UK would have had to do what all the other member states did; put themselves under EU direction and authority on procurement and distribution. 

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2 minutes ago, Jools said:

The economic cost of the EU’s vaccine catastrophe ~ By Matthew Lynn


It didn’t order enough vaccines, spent too little money, dithered over authorisation and then lashed out at the companies making them. Over the last few weeks, the catastrophe of the European Union’s vaccine roll-out has become painfully clear to everyone. We are already starting to see the toll it is taking on the continent’s health, with a brutal third wave sweeping across mainland Europe as new variants hit an unvaccinated population, and with fresh lockdowns, overflowing hospitals, and death tolls still climbing as they fall dramatically elsewhere. And yet there is also a second stage to that crisis – an economic catastrophe – that is just getting started.

This morning, new terrible figures were released for industrial production in Europe. In Germany, output was down by 1.6 per cent month on month, although all the forecasts were for output to increase significantly. France was far worse, with a 4.7 per cent fall in production, despite forecasts of an expansion, while across the border in Spain growth was stagnant. Overall, predictions of an economic expansion this year are starting to be scaled back, and that is likely to continue the longer countries remain locked down.

It is not hard to understand what is happening. As economies are forced to close down to keep infection rates under control, output inevitably suffers. Meanwhile rivals such as Britain and the United States are starting to open up again, while most of Asia never closed down in the same way. Their companies can operate normally, while German, French, and Italian rivals are not allowed to. It will hardly be a great surprise if they are winning orders while continental competitors are losing them.

In truth, the economic damage is going to get worse. Industry and services will remain locked down for far longer than was necessary, and will take far longer to recover. A far larger percentage will also never come back. Government debt will climb even higher, as tax revenues are depressed, and the cost of support measures continues to rise. Germany might be able to afford that, but France is already the fourth biggest debtor in the world measured by total amount owed, while Italy may reach the point where its debts become unsustainable without some form of write-off – even with the European Central Bank printing money like crazy. A second missed tourist season will inflict huge damage on the heavily-indebted economies of Southern Europe (tourism accounts for 21 per cent of GDP in Greece, and 12 per cent in Spain). Meanwhile, by seizing supplies, the EU has trashed its reputation as a place to do business, and the memory of its bungling, aggressive incompetence will stick around for a long time. Many global investors won’t think of Germany as the hyper-efficient country they thought it was, or France and the Netherlands as places where property rights are respected.

The vaccination disaster will be fixed eventually. Germany managed more than 700,000 vaccinations a day this week, and France has gone above 400,000. More supplies will arrive over the next two months. People will be inoculated, and Covid-19 will come under control. But the economic catastrophe is just starting – and that will soon be a far bigger problem for the continent.

As part of the EU the UK would have had to do what all the other member states did; put themselves under EU direction and authority on procurement and distribution. 

Try cutting and pasting something from Enid Blyton. It will have a far greater chance of being true.

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11 minutes ago, Well b back said:

Complete and utter load of s****. Wether they had it right or wrong what you have said there is simply not true. Bit like the £350 million a week to the NHS and there will never be a NI border. 
Maybe Farage should consider giving his monthly EU pension to Covax instead of ripping off people. 

I think you should go boil your head and feed it to family members, because there's certainly nothing in it worth keeping.

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4 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Try cutting and pasting something from Enid Blyton. It will have a far greater chance of being true.

Far truer than anything written in the Guardian that's for sure.

You should get yourself a job at the BBC.

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6 minutes ago, Jools said:

I think you should go boil your head and feed it to family members, because there's certainly nothing in it worth keeping.

Haha! Old gammon head must have been looking in the mirror.

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11 minutes ago, Jools said:

I think you should go boil your head and eat it because there's certainly nothing in it worth keeping.

What’s the point of telling lies to make some kind point to get people hating people. What you said is a lie ie you actually know it’s not true but state it as fact. Think of all the money we have paid the EU so t**** like Farage can get a pension for the rest of their life, why not give it to Covax ?
 

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5 hours ago, horsefly said:

Oh dear dumbo! Now perhaps you'd like to tell us how this poll (I can find any number of others that contradict it) makes the slightest difference to the reality of the disaster that brexit has inflicted on the UK's SMEs. Is this all you are capable of coming up with? Surely you have an answer to the chaos caused by the NI protocol.

I knew you would jump at that 🙂  and deny it, It's clear you hate news that go against your thoughts 🤣 

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1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

I knew you would jump at that 🙂  and deny it, It's clear you hate news that go against your thoughts 🤣 

Afraid not Polly! Just enjoy pointing out how stupid you are. 

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22 hours ago, BigFish said:

Thanks @Van wink, I saw this. Strangley the article online gives no attribution to where the Telegraph got their figures from. Abysmal journalism.

This in the FT today, suggesting that exports to France recovered in February, still some severe delays being reported but would seem to back up the Telegraph article referred to earlier.


"According to the latest French customs data for February, released last Thursday, the picture has improved slightly from the sharp drop in trade between the two countries seen in January. In the first month after the new UK-EU trade deal came into force on January 1, imports from the UK to France fell to 78 per cent of their monthly average for the second half of 2020. Analysts said the fall was caused by disruptions at the border with Britain and the impact of Covid-19 on global trade. While February did show a recovery, with imports from the UK to France down just 2 per cent on the monthly average for the second half of 2020, exports to the UK were still down 16 per cent compared with the same monthly average last year."

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26 minutes ago, Van wink said:

According to the latest French customs data for February, released last Thursday, the picture has improved slightly from the sharp drop in trade between the two countries seen in January. In the first month after the new UK-EU trade deal came into force on January 1, imports from the UK to France fell to 78 per cent of their monthly average for the second half of 2020. Analysts said the fall was caused by disruptions at the border with Britain and the impact of Covid-19 on global trade. While February did show a recovery, with imports from the UK to France down just 2 per cent on the monthly average for the second half of 2020, exports to the UK were still down 16 per cent compared with the same monthly average last year."

A "slight" improvement on the "sharp drop in trade" hardly justifies the Telegraph's triumphal tone. And do note that  "just 2 per cent down" is a claim being made against the trade figures for the second half of 2020. Perhaps keep the champagne on ice for the moment:

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The “tone” of the Telegraph is a matter for them Horsey, the important point is that the figures have improved from what was a very poor set for January.

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46 minutes ago, Van wink said:

The “tone” of the Telegraph is a matter for them Horsey, the important point is that the figures have improved from what was a very poor set for January.

Aye, total UK exports to the EU shot up by 46.6% (£3.7 billion) from January, with the number of UK-build car exports matching pre-pandemic levels from February 2020 --- Exports of food and livestock also rose by 77%👍

Bloody good considering the lockdowns and rather renders the Remainiacs looking evermore silly 👉  🤡🤪 😳 ☹️ 😡

I'm doing my bit in purchasing no EU foodstuffs or beverages for my homes -- It's raised my bills a tad but worth every penny 👍

In light of the EU's pathetic attempts to punish Brexit Britain, I urge others to do the same...

Love Europe, despise the EU.

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31 minutes ago, Jools said:

Aye, total UK exports to the EU shot up by 46.6% (£3.7 billion) from January, with the number of UK-build car exports matching pre-pandemic levels from February 2020 --- Exports of food and livestock also rose by 77%👍

Bloody good considering the lockdowns and rather renders the Remainiacs looking evermore silly 👉  🤡🤪 😳 ☹️ 😡

I'm doing my bit in purchasing no EU foodstuffs or beverages for my homes -- It's raised my bills a tad but worth every penny 👍

In light of the EU's pathetic attempts to punish Brexit Britain, I urge others to do the same...

Love Europe, despise the EU.

Oh dear! still pretending not to be a resident. Sad old gammon. The figures could hardly be worse than January's total disaster. Up by 46% compared to down by 78% previously, WOW!. If you really ran nursing homes they would all be bankrupt with your chronic lack of economic nous. Perhaps you could do your bit by supporting all workers to be paid a living wage and not forcing tax-payers to subsidise scrounging employers.

BTW you never did answer why you are so effusive in your support for the UK joining the CPTPP, despite the fact that your hero Farage thinks it would be a complete disaster; perhaps you can explain?

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1 hour ago, Van wink said:

The “tone” of the Telegraph is a matter for them Horsey, the important point is that the figures have improved from what was a very poor set for January.

Absolutely Winkie! And that's my point, it's a slight improvement from previously appalling figures, so hardly a surprise or a cause for dancing in the streets. But yep I'm happy to see any improvement for the poor ****s trying to save their businesses and livelihoods. Let's hope any gains aren't wiped out when the full regulations take effect in a few months time.

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