The Positive Brexit Thread

[Well b back 3,200]

So now the vaccine war is over ( in Western Europe at least ) any chance of talking about Brexit or will we still be using vaccine to hide behind ?

[Bill 1,788]

29 minutes ago, Well b back said:

So now the vaccine war is over ( in Western Europe at least ) any chance of talking about Brexit or will we still be using vaccine to hide behind ?

only if you continue to reply to their vaccine nonsense

[Well b back 3,200]

Government buildings in England, Scotland and Wales will be forced to fly the Union Jack from their roofs apparently. 
 

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

3 minutes ago, Well b back said:

Government buildings in England, Scotland and Wales will be forced to fly the Union Jack from their roofs apparently. 
 

Is there a big enough square for the night time rallies? Torch carrying Tories and Moy singing "Tomorrow belongs to Me"

[Herman 9,754]

Everyone's favourite tory. He disappeared for a few months. Not sure why, must have been ill.

 

[Yellow Fever 3,767]

1 hour ago, Well b back said:

Government buildings in England, Scotland and Wales will be forced to fly the Union Jack from their roofs apparently. 
 

Trying to get some use out of them before they need new ones without the  blue.

Seems a very desperate and shallow move to me.

[Bill 1,788]

another whining brexiteer - showing the 38 extra pages of paperwork (and extra £500 in costs) for one shipment to the EU

so, how did this cretin vote in the EU  referendum?

reaction to his whining

'Well, you were told and you chose to ignore everything we said about the dreadful paperwork that would be involved when leaving the EU. '

So the campaign actually telling the truth about this should be blamed because the campaign that lied was more engaging what with the lovely coloured busses and promises of sunlit uplands?

'Did you not understand what it really meant when the UK decided to become a third country? Leaving the SM and CU? What did you think would happen? Plenty of people tried to warn you.'

'Qualification: you were not told of this by Johnson and other leavers. But you *were* told of this pre-brexit by remainers. You decided to believe known liars. I'm sorry brexit is hurting you, but on the other hand you knew it would hurt others and you were fine with that.'

Sadly as stories like this are being reported up and down the country, the level of UK exports will continue to fall causing lost income to the Treasury, and lost jobs

and as this horror shows progresses so will the knock on effect - places that are depended on one export product will face the same massive hit to their economy as did the closing of mines to mining communities

Edited March 24, 2021 by Bill

[Bill 1,788]

1 hour ago, Well b back said:

Government buildings in England, Scotland and Wales will be forced to fly the Union Jack from their roofs apparently. 
 

How long before the England team have to follow suit, as they did at White Hart Lane in 1935

[Bill 1,788]

Following the post above about Scottish fishing

 

"Living in Moray, I found it infuriating to see placards everywhere depicting a smiling Haddock draped in the Union Jack proclaiming that a vote to leave the EU would “Save Our Fishing”.

Moray was the closest-run district in the whole of Scotland in the EU referendum, with entire family dynasties with links to fishing casting their vote to leave based purely on the misguided mantra that the EU is responsible for the demise of the fishing industry in Scotland.

As a former fisherman during the 1980s, and at that time part owner of new-built 65-foot trawler, I think it is time for all of our fishing communities to face up to some hard truths about the fishing industry and at whom the finger of blame for its demise should be pointed.

During the 1980s and early 1990s, the Scottish fleet had become the biggest and most powerful in Europe, to the point where the catching power far outstripped the resource. Boatyards were booming and so were the local economies. The vast majority of these vessels, however, including the one in which I was a partner, were built with the help of a 50 per cent EU grant. Without this, the boat could never have been built. The same applies to the vast majority of boats built in Scotland in that era.

As this new generation of boats, equipped with the cutting-edge of fish-finding equipment, became larger and ever more powerful, the need to catch more fish to fund them increased. New methods of pair trawling utilising much heavier and larger nets were developed, as well as twin-rig trawling with one powerful vessel towing two large nets. This effectively rendered no single area of the seabed, including the spawning grounds, safe from the Scottish fleets’ nets. Many owners had two rotating crews that would change over straight after landing so that the vessel turned right around and was constantly at sea, hammering the fishing grounds seven days a week.

A Catch-22 situation was created where the large boats were so expensive to run and heavily financed that they couldn’t afford to stop fishing for a single day!

By the end of the early 1990s the fish stocks were utterly devastated, with landings down vastly year on year and cod on the brink of extinction and haddock and whiting heading the same way. Extreme action had to be taken, with quota cuts and days at sea being introduced by the EU as the stark scientific data was presented but almost immediately and unsurprisingly dismissed by fishing industry leaders as unproven nonsense.

The EU grants for new vessels had stopped, but young ambitious skippers then turned to the big banks to finance even more powerful super trawlers being built both at Scottish and European yards, which were designed to work in the most extreme conditions at the outer reaches of the continental shelf and Rockall. The traditional inner waters had now been fished out and decimated, not by the EU but by our own Scottish fleet. The EU finally took drastic action when many fish species teetered on the brink of never recovering, and quotas were immediately cut again to the point where the new larger vessels were struggling to stay viable.

To rein in the size of the fleet, a short-term decommissioning incentive scheme based on the vessels’ tonnage and horsepower was introduced, with a maximum compensation of £1 million for the largest vessels. Skippers who had gambled by building multimillion-pound vessels at foreign yards now found themselves at the mercy of the banks to whom they had turned to finance their venture. Cold, hard economics of the banks decided the fate of many young north-east skippers as the unsympathetic banks decided to cut their losses at the fear of further quota cuts and grab the decommissioning payment while it was available, resulting in almost brand new multimillion-pound vessels sailing to the scrapyards of Denmark to be cut up and their owners made bankrupt with their livelihoods in ruins. Many other boat-owners decided to accept the decommissioning grants as well due to a mass migration of crews to the oil industry, adding to the already intolerable stress of trying to stay viable in impossible circumstances.

Today, fish stocks are recovering to healthy levels, but only thanks to EU intervention. Had the Scottish fleet been allowed to continue as it was the end-game would have been the same for the fleet, but there would have been no fish stocks today and no recovery. Many fishing families fished ethically, but if fishermen – especially those from that era who are blaming the EU while waving a Union Jack – need to point the finger at anyone for the tragic demise of the industry and our communities, then I suggest they take a good long look in the mirror. "

Graeme Goodall

3rd April 2018

 

[SwindonCanary 455]

UK and EU resolve to settle vaccines dispute with ‘win-win’ deal | Evening Standard

[paul moy 235]

John Humphries did not know what he was voting for  😂:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9399587/JOHN-HUMPHRYS-EU-row-Covid-jabs-destroyed-faith-old-Remainer-like-me.html

[Herman 9,754]

The threat of blocking the vaccine got Johnson to the table. 😉

[paul moy 235]

1 hour ago, Herman said:

The threat of blocking the vaccine got Johnson to the table. 😉

.. and the threat from us to stop vaccine components and also the worry of an exodus of Pharma from the communist superstate got the EU to the table.

[Yellow Fever 3,767]

2 hours ago, Herman said:

The threat of blocking the vaccine got Johnson to the table. 😉

Yes - Talk/walk softly and carry a big stick.

That said we need to get past the petty nationalism and solve the problem. All it needs is some token help/movement from the UK 

[Herman 9,754]

57 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

Yes - Talk/walk softly and carry a big stick.

That said we need to get past the petty nationalism and solve the problem. All it needs is some token help/movement from the UK 

Aye. I feel most of us are grown up enough to acknowledge that no sides will come out looking good if they carried on down this silly, petty route. Working together is the only way we get out of this mess. 

[Jools 584]

3 hours ago, Herman said:

The threat of blocking the vaccine got Johnson to the table. 😉

It's an established fact that you and your fellow Lefty, Remainiacs here at the Pink'Un are anti-English 🔔🔚ers, but defending the EU's baseless criticism of AstraZeneca and the increasing numbers of deaths in mainland Europe caused by it is astoundingly stupid of you.

[Herman 9,754]

You've got a bit of spittle on your chin Jools. 😂

[Jools 584]

14 minutes ago, Herman said:

Aye. I feel most of us are grown up enough to acknowledge that no sides will come out looking good if they carried on down this silly, petty route. Working together is the only way we get out of this mess. 

The EU has smeared the AstraZeneca vaccine with false claims of blood clotting and low efficacy and the EU has threatened export controls blaming AstraZeneca for their shortfall in vaccine supply…

Are you grown up enough to admit it's the EU, not the UK, that has been petty and is at fault here?

[BigFish 1,986]

18 minutes ago, Jools said:

It's an established fact that you and your fellow Lefty, Remainiacs here at the Pink'Un are anti-English 🔔🔚ers, but defending the EU's baseless criticism of AstraZeneca and the increasing numbers of deaths in mainland Europe caused by it is astoundingly stupid of you.

When facts fail you, try a culture war

Typical

[Yellow Fever 3,767]

Still can't see any positives as yet from Brexit at all - it's all actually unravelling rather quickly but then the Brexiteers never did have a plan as is plainly obvious stumbling from one self inflicted mess to another.

Covid is the distraction at the moment. Heaven help Johnson when that's no longer the distraction and the economic consequences are left bare.

[BigFish 1,986]

Just now, Yellow Fever said:

Still can't see any positives as yet from Brexit at all - it's all actually unravelling rather quickly but then the Brexiteers never did have a plan as is plainly obvious stumbling from one self inflicted mess to another.

Covid is the distraction at the moment. Heaven help Johnson when that's no longer the distraction and the economic consequences are left bare.

WHAT............but we have our sovereignity 🤣

[Yellow Fever 3,767]

1 minute ago, BigFish said:

WHAT............but we have our sovereignity 🤣

Apparently we do and always did but not Scots - who aren't allowed a new ref.

[SwindonCanary 455]

bonus from Brexit = They are building new war ships, before it would be tendered to the whole of the EU now the Government have decided they will be built in the UK .  Harland and Wolff   and  Cammell Laird are the two firms bidding for the job.  👍

[horsefly 4,297]

3 hours ago, Jools said:

The EU has smeared the AstraZeneca vaccine with false claims of blood clotting and low efficacy and the EU has threatened export controls blaming AstraZeneca for their shortfall in vaccine supply…

Are you grown up enough to admit it's the EU, not the UK, that has been petty and is at fault here?

Oh dear! Old boiled gammon head is back spouting his lies. The EU decided to suspend the roll-out of the AZ vaccine while they investigated the coincidence of a number of cases of blood clots following AZ injections. Whether they were wise to do that is certainly a question they need to answer. However, your blatant lies only serve to confirm what we already know, that spouting racism and xenophobia is far more important to you than any consideration of the truth. I wonder what the famously cosmopolitan musician David Bowie would think of that, perhaps you can tell us?

Edited March 25, 2021 by horsefly

[PurpleCanary 5,557]

1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

bonus from Brexit = They are building new war ships, before it would be tendered to the whole of the EU now the Government have decided they will be built in the UK .  Harland and Wolff   and  Cammell Laird are the two firms bidding for the job.  👍

Someone should write a song about that...😎

[BigFish 1,986]

2 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

bonus from Brexit = They are building new war ships, before it would be tendered to the whole of the EU now the Government have decided they will be built in the UK .  Harland and Wolff   and  Cammell Laird are the two firms bidding for the job.  👍

Another epic fail from @SwindonCanary, is there no end to the topics he can post about, about which he knows less than nothing.

Defence procurement was always exempt from EU procurement directives while the UK was a member of the EU becuase of reasons of national security. Governments just choose not to.. The UK could have, at any time, built the RN fleet entirely in the UK. That it didn't was a political choice, that and the decisions in Thatcher's Britain to run down the UK's shipbuilding industry.

Now it more likely to look to South Korea for its boats:http://www.defenceviewpoints.co.uk/defence-industry/south-koreans-to-build-new-ships-for-royal-navy

Edited March 25, 2021 by BigFish

[A Load of Squit 5,161]

13 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said:

Someone should write a song about that...😎

Is it worth it?

[Bill 1,788]

22 hours ago, Bill said:

not as desperate as you to get a reaction - hence the constant stream of lies and misinformation

bring back Jools, or even RTB (at a push)

or what about South Sider, or is he nor part of your 'portfolio' ?

and as if by request out he pops to replace the 'mad' moy

a mere coincidence that they both use the same writing style, with the same level of lying so as to provoke a reaction

lord knows what names will be resurrected on the 29th, when some restrictions are lifted 😋

 

[Bill 1,788]

23 hours ago, Bill said:

"A UK food company whose products appear on the shelves of the country’s largest supermarkets has decided to stop using British pork in its sausages because of the post-Brexit complications of moving meat across borders.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/mar/24/uk-firm-to-stop-using-british-pork-after-post-brexit-border-problems-helen-browning

'they lied to you.......didn't they ?

 

a more in depth explanation of how the UK becoming a 'third country' is crippling UK meat producers

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2021/mar/24/how-brexit-added-layers-bureaucracy-meat-exports

Further to the above (edited)

today we have

"The UK’s meat industry faces a loss of up to 50 per cent of all its exports because of ongoing problems with “mountains” of Brexit red tape, a leading trade body has warned.

In a new report, the British Meat Processors Association (BMPA) said “systemic weaknesses” in trade arrangements meant a potential loss of trade for UK exporters of between 20 and 50 per cent. It also outlined that meat producers face an additional £120m a year in extra costs because of the trade deal forged by Boris Johnson’s government."

UK businesses being disrupted by costs, regulation and delay are now a daily occurrence - as is the evidence that EU suppliers are stepping in to replace UK businesses. and fill the gaps

This business that once lost will not return. And despite the shi te sewed out by brexiteers UK farmers cannot simply switch sales to other parts of the g;ob. They are being left with a glut of produce they can neither harvest, nor sell at a commercial rate - as initially this has simply meant that temporary migrant staff have to taken up work in the UK.

However as the knock on effect hits other parts of the supply chain further down the line UK workers will find they no longer have a job, and the benefits are well below furlough pay

Loss of trade as above is only the beginning

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

1 hour ago, A Load of Squit said:

Is it worth it?

Very good. Very subtle.

Or is it just a rumour that was spread around town

Edited March 25, 2021 by keelansgrandad