Well b back 3,190 Posted March 8, 2021 29 minutes ago, paul moy said: Yup, fake news.... they didn't do the paperwork it appears 🤣 Was it done by Gove ? See he has been reprimanded by the Statistics Authority for using fake news ( or was it just a lie ) about Brexit and Haulage figures. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,747 Posted March 8, 2021 32 minutes ago, Well b back said: Was it done by Gove ? See he has been reprimanded by the Statistics Authority for using fake news ( or was it just a lie ) about Brexit and Haulage figures. Fake news, Brexit, Lies. Does Gove know the difference? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,287 Posted March 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Well b back said: Was it done by Gove ? See he has been reprimanded by the Statistics Authority for using fake news ( or was it just a lie ) about Brexit and Haulage figures. Would that be the same Statistics Authority that reprimanded Johnson for the lie about £350m put on the side of the bus? Well bless my soul it certainly is: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-350m-brexit-nhs-misled-uk-statistics-authority-telegraph-sir-david-norgrove-amber-rudd-a7951711.html "Boris Johnson has been criticised by the head of the UK Statistics Authority for repeating the infamous claim that Britain pays £350m per week to the EU. In a letter to the Foreign Secretary, Sir David Norgrove accused Mr Johnson of a “clear misuse of statistics” after he once again claimed the amount could be invested in the NHS when Britain leaves the European Union." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,190 Posted March 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, horsefly said: Would that be the same Statistics Authority that reprimanded Johnson for the lie about £350m put on the side of the bus? Well bless my soul it certainly is: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-350m-brexit-nhs-misled-uk-statistics-authority-telegraph-sir-david-norgrove-amber-rudd-a7951711.html "Boris Johnson has been criticised by the head of the UK Statistics Authority for repeating the infamous claim that Britain pays £350m per week to the EU. In a letter to the Foreign Secretary, Sir David Norgrove accused Mr Johnson of a “clear misuse of statistics” after he once again claimed the amount could be invested in the NHS when Britain leaves the European Union." UK Statistics Authority rebukes Gove over Brexit figures Cabinet Office used ‘unverifiable data’ to rebut a Road Haulage Association survey showing export volumes dropped by 68% Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,287 Posted March 8, 2021 Saw this headline and assumed it was an article about Nigel Farage: "Slug can decapitate itself and regrow its entire body including organs, say ‘surprised’ scientists" https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/slug-can-decapitate-itself-and-regrow-its-entire-body-including-organs-say-surprised-scientists/ar-BB1enEbp?ocid=msedgntp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj11 377 Posted March 8, 2021 (edited) Johnson talking out of his ample backside. He has trouble stringing a sentence together. Edited March 8, 2021 by dj11 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted March 8, 2021 2 hours ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said: No, not fake news, it seems Anyone remember the good old days when the UK could trade without this level of paperwork? Paperwork that wasn't spoken about in 2016 by people advocating to leave? 🤔 anyone remember the bad old days when we used to pay a fortune to the EU and get very little back 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,287 Posted March 8, 2021 19 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: anyone remember the bad old days when we used to pay a fortune to the EU and get very little back Give us the figures please Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,713 Posted March 9, 2021 6 hours ago, horsefly said: Give us the figures please I'll help you out there. It was roughly £8billion a year with a return of £400billion of completely unhindered trade. Pretty much a fantastic return for our investment. Well done to Thatcher who helped get this plan moving.👍 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,287 Posted March 9, 2021 16 minutes ago, Herman said: I'll help you out there. It was roughly £8billion a year with a return of £400billion of completely unhindered trade. Pretty much a fantastic return for our investment. Well done to Thatcher who helped get this plan moving.👍 Cheers Herman! Good old "Thatch" clearly understood the basic principle of investing a sum of money to make a much bigger sum of money in return. Funny how her followers seem to have forgotten this rather simple piece of economics. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,287 Posted March 9, 2021 It's becoming hard not to believe that Johnson elevated Frost to the Lords and his cabinet with the sole purpose of destroying any chance of a good relationship with the EU, in order to distract from the dreadful deal they signed up to. Mind you, sheer incompetence is an equally plausible explanation. Either way it must be infuriating and devastating for businesses to go from a situation of unrestricted free trade to the current Kafkaesque nightmare. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/frost-urged-to-cool-it-as-tensions-flare-with-brussels-over-brexit/ar-BB1eodGm?ocid=msedgntp Business groups and UK exporters have called on Lord David Frost to step back from his abrasive approach to dealing with Brussels and seek to build a mutually beneficial trading relationship with the EU. Frost’s promotion to Boris Johnson’s cabinet as minister for EU relations has coincided with a fresh deterioration in relations between London and Brussels, particularly over the handling of Northern Ireland. Trade groups whose members have already suffered millions of pounds of losses as a result of new red tape after Brexit, warned that if both sides did not seek to build consensus then lasting damage would be inflicted on the UK economy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,128 Posted March 9, 2021 9 hours ago, SwindonCanary said: anyone remember the bad old days when we used to pay a fortune to the EU and get very little back And you wonder why people call you a liar? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted March 9, 2021 14 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said: And you wonder why people call you a liar? In 2018 the UK’s gross contribution to the EU amounted to £20.0 billion Yet in the same year the EU gave us support of only £15.0 billion How can you say that's not true Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,747 Posted March 9, 2021 37 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: In 2018 the UK’s gross contribution to the EU amounted to £20.0 billion Yet in the same year the EU gave us support of only £15.0 billion How can you say that's not true I know you're a Remainer double agent SC trying to make the Quitters seem even dumber - but just for fairness to them here are the facts. https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/ 8 JULY 2019 The UK pays more into the EU budget than it gets back. In 2018 the UK government paid £13 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was forecast to be £4 billion. So the UK’s ‘net contribution’ was estimated at nearly £9 billion. Each year the UK gets a discount on its contributions to the EU—the ‘rebate’—worth about £4 billion last year. Without it the UK would have been liable for £17 billion in contributions. The UK doesn’t pay or "send to Brussels" this higher figure of £17.4 billion, or anything equivalent per week or per day. The rebate is applied straight away (its size is calculated based on the previous year's contributions), so the UK never contributes this much. The UK’s contributions to the budget vary from year to year, and are forecast to grow towards the end of the decade. They’ve been larger recently than in previous decades. A membership fee isn’t the same as the total economic cost or benefit of EU membership. Being in the EU costs money but does it also create trade, jobs and investment that are worth more? We can be pretty sure about how much cash we put in, but it’s far harder to be sure about how much, if anything, comes back in economic benefits. £350 million a week doesn’t include the rebate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul moy 235 Posted March 9, 2021 42 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: In 2018 the UK’s gross contribution to the EU amounted to £20.0 billion Yet in the same year the EU gave us support of only £15.0 billion How can you say that's not true That's remoaners for you. Always in denial... 🤣 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted March 9, 2021 22 minutes ago, paul moy said: That's remoaners for you. Always in denial... 🤣 and always calling me a liar ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,287 Posted March 9, 2021 1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said: In 2018 the UK’s gross contribution to the EU amounted to £20.0 billion Yet in the same year the EU gave us support of only £15.0 billion How can you say that's not true Well done! Now add to that the figure how much profit business made trading freely within the EU and single market. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul moy 235 Posted March 9, 2021 12 hours ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said: No, not fake news, it seems Anyone remember the good old days when the UK could trade without this level of paperwork? Paperwork that wasn't spoken about in 2016 by people advocating to leave? 🤔 It's simply not worth 15-20 billion a year to avoid a bit of paperwork, have a massive trade deficit , lose a fishing industry and to forfeit the right to control our own destiny etc. Of course remoaners think it is but they are a bit crazy..... 🤣 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted March 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, horsefly said: Well done! Now add to that the figure how much profit business made trading freely within the EU and single market. how much profit will make business make trading with the whole world ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,128 Posted March 9, 2021 1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said: In 2018 the UK’s gross contribution to the EU amounted to £20.0 billion Yet in the same year the EU gave us support of only £15.0 billion How can you say that's not true OK, I apologise, you're not a liar you're a simpleton. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,287 Posted March 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: how much profit will make business make trading with the whole world ? Answer the question; or is it just like all the other questions you have failed to answer, that you don't know, or realise that the answer would prove your claims are stupid? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,287 Posted March 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said: OK, I apologise, you're not a liar you're a simpleton. Actually he's both. They're the only two things he is capable of doing simultaneously. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted March 9, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said: OK, I apologise, you're not a liar you're a simpleton. What's that make you ? is it anything to do with Brexit ? You lot can't follow anything Edited March 9, 2021 by SwindonCanary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,287 Posted March 9, 2021 16 minutes ago, paul moy said: It's simply not worth 15-20 billion a year to avoid a bit of paperwork, have a massive trade deficit , lose a fishing industry and to forfeit the right to control our own destiny etc. Of course remoaners think it is but they are a bit crazy..... 🤣 It seems you are determined to prove that you lied about being an economist by posting this economically illiterate drivel. Only a simpleton of extraordinary stupidity could talk of a "bit of paperwork" when the new requirements have generated hundreds of millions of new paperwork requirements that is destroying UK businesses. The delays and costs involved are enormous and crippling. You may find it hilarious to post your flippant lies, but the reality for many peoples' lives and livelihoods couldn't be more serious. Perhaps you might show a tiny residual bit of decency and read the plight of just a few businesses that find their future imperilled by the costs and time involved. Here are just a few: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/it-s-just-madness-uk-manufacturer-battles-against-deluge-of-brexit-paperwork-b1790360.html https://www.drapersonline.com/insight/analysis/brexit-nightmare-as-tariffs-and-red-tape-rocket https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/2857216/surge-in-lorries-leaving-uk-empty-as-brexit-paperwork-frightens-export-firms/ https://www.itv.com/news/2021-02-09/brexit-makes-it-more-expensive-to-say-it-with-flowers https://www.theleader.info/2021/02/14/british-shoppers-feeling-the-brexit-effect/ https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uk-businesses-grapple-brexit-border-fallout-1687222 https://www.foodmanufacture.co.uk/Article/2021/01/13/The-pain-of-Brexit-paperwork-vets-customs-staff-NI-ROI https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/brexit-paperwork-overwhelming-in-northern-ireland-39942145.html https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/they-are-not-teething-problems-as-brexit-likely-to-see-demise-of-small-fishing-operations-223166/ https://www.mic-cust.com/insights/posts/detail/ad/new-paperwork-and-tax-rules-frustrate-traders-post-brexit/ https://www.goodbeerhunting.com/sightlines/1/27/brexit-burdens-uk-beer-industry-with-new-costs-paperwork https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry-news/explainer-what-brexit-deal-means-car-manufacturers https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/07/from-fashion-to-farming-how-brexit-is-hitting-britains-trade https://www.commercialfleet.org/news/truck-news/2021/01/11/delays-at-ports-and-paperwork-top-concerns-for-hauliers-amidst-brexit-study-reveals Alas I could spend the rest of the day posting similar links, but these ought to be sufficient for any sane or moral individual to take this dreadful situation seriously. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted March 9, 2021 49 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: how much profit will make business make trading with the whole world ? they already trade withe the whole world unfortunately, as shown with Japan, out if the EU the trading terms...regulation, tariffs, etc are not so good so whatever is earned in the future will be less much as why people have a season ticket - they are not stupid enough (like you0 to whine about the cost, but are bright enough to see it not only makes sense financially, but for a host of other reasons now why not tell us all, which countries the UK could not trade with when it was a member of the EU Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nevermind, neoliberalism has had it 159 Posted March 9, 2021 15 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: What's that make you ? is it anything to do with Brexit ? You lot can't follow anything Brexit has not even hit us yet, its being replaced with furlough, which will run out, resulting in run away unemployment figures. EU subsidies to farmers will also run out and replaced with whatever a new environmental bill stipulates and the NFU decides, farmers always do as the NFU tells them to. Both of these reason will allow the Government to let more immigrants in, lets face it they could not work London/ the Fenland businesses worth billions/ or the country without willing labour. Many illegal immigrants working here are not registered with GP's, so the prevalence of covid, for example in East London, are far higher than elsewhere, but Tories don't care about their health they want cheap labour. The end of furlough will also indicate the full extent of companies that have opened up subsidiaries/offices inside the EU, enabling them to benefit from less strain than the Brexiteers had in mind for them. Irelands debacle will rumble on with unionist paramilitaries getting all hot under the collar, soon they will realise that an all Ireland referendum is inevitable, whilst Scotland is raising the Saltire in advance of Independence, whilst knocking on an open EU door. I will remain in the EU, because this young organisation, still, will reform its central character or it will be subsumed by nationalistic fervor. But the tweety pie's will never change, they have to die out like the dinosaurs have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kick it off 1,948 Posted March 9, 2021 The details of our world beating erasmus replacement have been announced. This is why people are angry about brexit, opportunities ripped out of the hands of the next generation for pretend sovereignty. Good work brexiteers. ***. 4 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted March 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Bill said: now why not tell us all, which countries the UK could not trade with when it was a member of the EU Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,713 Posted March 9, 2021 36 minutes ago, kick it off said: The details of our world beating erasmus replacement have been announced. This is why people are angry about brexit, opportunities ripped out of the hands of the next generation for pretend sovereignty. Good work brexiteers. ***. Petty, tawdry, mean and a few expletives. What a waste. Everything torn up just to appease a load of bigots and know-nothings. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,713 Posted March 9, 2021 And just a quick point that needs repeating. We had a trade deficit with the EU because we weren't producing enough products to sell to others or to use ourselves. This wasn't caused by the EU. It was another self inflicted problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites