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4 minutes ago, paul moy said:

Ideally we will eventually, but after decades of EU incentivising the likes of Heseletine by virtue of 100K annual bribes to grow forests instead, it will take a fair while to achieve it.  No wonder he was a remainer.

Meanwhile, Australia has an abundance of beef etc as China has put an embargo on them for having the audacity to blame them for the pandemic.

Thus, we can fill the holes in our food requirements from outside of the dreadful EU and much cheaper into the bargain. 🤗

Tosh as usual.

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1 hour ago, paul moy said:

Ideally we will eventually, but after decades of EU incentivising the likes of Heseletine by virtue of 100K annual bribes to grow forests instead, it will take a fair while to achieve it.  No wonder he was a remainer.

Meanwhile, Australia has an abundance of beef etc as China has put an embargo on them for having the audacity to blame them for the pandemic.

Thus, we can fill the holes in our food requirements from outside of the dreadful EU and much cheaper into the bargain. 🤗

Just another one of your shrugs. We will is not evidence. The evidence is that people will eat what they are supplied with. And if our main suppliers, the supermarkets, decide we will eat Spanish, Moroccan or Outer Mongolian, then that is what we will eat.

the Government is going to face no end of complaints from farmers etc if awful, unregulated, cheap products come in.

But thats your precious free market for you.

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11 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Just another one of your shrugs. We will is not evidence. The evidence is that people will eat what they are supplied with. And if our main suppliers, the supermarkets, decide we will eat Spanish, Moroccan or Outer Mongolian, then that is what we will eat.

the Government is going to face no end of complaints from farmers etc if awful, unregulated, cheap products come in.

But thats your precious free market for you.

Non-protectionism and expansion of trade is the Brexit way.   Good quality and cheap is the way to go, and the opposite to the EU that pretends to promote quality and at an expensive price in order to subsidise inefficient farming methods of vested interests, particularly in France under the CAP. 

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30 minutes ago, paul moy said:

Non-protectionism and expansion of trade is the Brexit way.   Good quality and cheap is the way to go, and the opposite to the EU that pretends to promote quality and at an expensive price in order to subsidise inefficient farming methods of vested interests, particularly in France under the CAP. 

You have summed up your thoughts in that one statement. And that is why China rules the world. Their protectionism is not going to be challenged by your ideas that you can go it alone as long as you can wave your flag.

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51 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Just another one of your shrugs. We will is not evidence. The evidence is that people will eat what they are supplied with. And if our main suppliers, the supermarkets, decide we will eat Spanish, Moroccan or Outer Mongolian, then that is what we will eat.

the Government is going to face no end of complaints from farmers etc if awful, unregulated, cheap products come in.

But thats your precious free market for you.

Yes, how we complain about the low prices in Aldi!

The truth is the EU started out as a protectionist organisation and has plans to become a protectionist federal state with those on the outside shut out. That means the situation we have today with poor countries around the world hampered by high tariffs if they try to sell their produce to the EU. 

What is really galling is to see the left-wing cheerleaders for the EU actually supporting this shutout of the poor. Worse, they then applaud when these poor people leave their countries behind and attempt to enter the EU, only to end up as unwanted refugees in a Molenbek ghetto with nothing but resentment for those they deem to have taken away their livelihoods. 

Fortunately, the good, sensible people of this country who voted for Brexit now offer a lifeline of hope to the poor. We are now in a position to dump high tariffs and welcome poor countries to invest in agriculture so that they can trade with us and achieve economic growth through partnership with the UK. 

Israel has achieved remarkable results in turning desert wildernesses into huge polytunnel capable of sustaining cash crops, and exporting this technology to North Africa has to potential to encourage economic renewal in some of the poorest parts of the world. 

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8 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Yes, how we complain about the low prices in Aldi!

The truth is the EU started out as a protectionist organisation and has plans to become a protectionist federal state with those on the outside shut out. That means the situation we have today with poor countries around the world hampered by high tariffs if they try to sell their produce to the EU. 

What is really galling is to see the left-wing cheerleaders for the EU actually supporting this shutout of the poor. Worse, they then applaud when these poor people leave their countries behind and attempt to enter the EU, only to end up as unwanted refugees in a Molenbek ghetto with nothing but resentment for those they deem to have taken away their livelihoods. 

Fortunately, the good, sensible people of this country who voted for Brexit now offer a lifeline of hope to the poor. We are now in a position to dump high tariffs and welcome poor countries to invest in agriculture so that they can trade with us and achieve economic growth through partnership with the UK. 

Israel has achieved remarkable results in turning desert wildernesses into huge polytunnel capable of sustaining cash crops, and exporting this technology to North Africa has to potential to encourage economic renewal in some of the poorest parts of the world. 

That is the British disease. Low prices, low income. The real Thatcherite belief.

The rest of the world is catching us up.

Funny you should mention Aldi. Good old British company what what.

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3 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

Yes, how we complain about the low prices in Aldi!

The truth is the EU started out as a protectionist organisation and has plans to become a protectionist federal state with those on the outside shut out. That means the situation we have today with poor countries around the world hampered by high tariffs if they try to sell their produce to the EU. 

What is really galling is to see the left-wing cheerleaders for the EU actually supporting this shutout of the poor. Worse, they then applaud when these poor people leave their countries behind and attempt to enter the EU, only to end up as unwanted refugees in a Molenbek ghetto with nothing but resentment for those they deem to have taken away their livelihoods. 

Fortunately, the good, sensible people of this country who voted for Brexit now offer a lifeline of hope to the poor. We are now in a position to dump high tariffs and welcome poor countries to invest in agriculture so that they can trade with us and achieve economic growth through partnership with the UK. 

Israel has achieved remarkable results in turning desert wildernesses into huge polytunnel capable of sustaining cash crops, and exporting this technology to North Africa has to potential to encourage economic renewal in some of the poorest parts of the world. 

The EU are so protectionist they have trade deals covering 70 countries:

"Before Brexit, the UK was automatically part of any trade deal the EU had negotiated with another country. The EU had about 40 trade deals covering more than 70 countries at the time the UK left."

 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47213842

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3 hours ago, keelansgrandad said:

That is the British disease. Low prices, low income. The real Thatcherite belief.

The rest of the world is catching us up.

Funny you should mention Aldi. Good old British company what what.

And yet Aldi the EU company in the UK which offers a great level of British sourced goods on their shelves! Who would have thought those horrid EU people looking after their market place!

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10 hours ago, paul moy said:

Just listened to a nurse on Five Live phone-in who says that she is grateful just to still have a job as many people will not have.  She also said that as a nurse her employment conditions are excellent and she was allowed six months off after her father died and gets 40 days leave a year. 

Refreshing to hear  that there are still some realistic people around that will accept a small pay rise when the rest of the country are simply worried about their employment futures and whether they will be earning any money at all.    

Guess you won’t be getting involved in the slow hand clap for carers on Thursday then ?

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1 hour ago, Well b back said:

Guess you won’t be getting involved in the slow hand clap for carers on Thursday then ?

His patronising opinion of that nurse is pathetic. I wonder if all her colleagues agree with her?

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13 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

His patronising opinion of that nurse is pathetic. I wonder if all her colleagues agree with her?

They didn’t, but he conveniently quoted the minority view, with many others up in arms.

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The saddest part in all this is like me some self employed who have worked for EU companies are now technically unemployed as our contracts are stopped! So as much as I love and fully appreciate the NHS especially our nurses, 12.5% is a little steep to accept when the economy is on it’s knees! The sensible middle ground is to accept that a three year consecutive 3% pay rise would be a good starting point knowing that our economy is due a bounce back but knowing we will have a big long term debt!

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6 hours ago, horsefly said:

The EU are so protectionist they have trade deals covering 70 countries:

"Before Brexit, the UK was automatically part of any trade deal the EU had negotiated with another country. The EU had about 40 trade deals covering more than 70 countries at the time the UK left."

 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47213842

ONLY DIFFERENCE IS WE DID THOSE TRADE DEALS IN A YEAR WHILST IT TOOK THE EU DECADES, GIVE US ANOTHER YEAR AND WE WILL BE ON A PAR WITH THE EU OR EVEN ABOVE THEM 👍

PLUS IT'S A PROFITOF 150£M COMING TO US INSTEAD OF THE EU 

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3 hours ago, keelansgrandad said:

His patronising opinion of that nurse is pathetic. I wonder if all her colleagues agree with her?

Another one did actually, again on Five Live phone-in today , stating that she gets an annual incremental performance payrise anyway and is doing pretty well on 37K a year, and earns more than her prison officer husband. 

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1 hour ago, Indy said:

! The sensible middle ground is to accept that a three year consecutive 3% pay rise would be a good starting point knowing that our economy is due a bounce back but knowing we will have a big long term debt!

Fair enough but this sensible middle ground will have cost an extra £18 billion+ after five years without necessarily greatly improving healthcare.

It will mean cuts elsewhere or some drastic tax rises. 

Its a personal choice and there is every reason to think that tax rises are over due, especially in certain areas but let's not pretend its small numbers.

 

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So if we cut all public sector wages by 50%, we won’t need to raise taxes at all - blimey I wonder if anyone had thought of that before 😞 Boris get moving lad, there’s a profit to be made...

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5 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

ONLY DIFFERENCE IS WE DID THOSE TRADE DEALS IN A YEAR WHILST IT TOOK THE EU DECADES, GIVE US ANOTHER YEAR AND WE WILL BE ON A PAR WITH THE EU OR EVEN ABOVE THEM 👍

PLUS IT'S A PROFITOF 150£M COMING TO US INSTEAD OF THE EU 

We did not do those trade deals in a year you simpleton, we simply rolled over exactly the same deals the EU had negotiated. How thick do you have to be not to know this? FFS even the government itself points out this is what has happened. Try learning the facts instead of boring everyone with your ridiculously childish lies and speculation.

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5 hours ago, paul moy said:

Another one did actually, again on Five Live phone-in today , stating that she gets an annual incremental performance payrise anyway and is doing pretty well on 37K a year, and earns more than her prison officer husband. 

And how about a bit of honesty by pointing out that these callers were way outnumbered by those saying the very opposite. Not that anyone on here expects honesty from the likes of you. You clearly have no idea what the average nurse earns working on an intensive care ward. Over 900 NHS workers have died from Covid, perhaps you are better off not pontificating about nurses "doing pretty well".

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8 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

ONLY DIFFERENCE IS WE DID THOSE TRADE DEALS IN A YEAR WHILST IT TOOK THE EU DECADES, GIVE US ANOTHER YEAR AND WE WILL BE ON A PAR WITH THE EU OR EVEN ABOVE THEM 👍

PLUS IT'S A PROFITOF 150£M COMING TO US INSTEAD OF THE EU 

STOP LYING YOU DREADFUL LITTLE ****.

They have all been rollovers of what we already had. The information is out there and repeating lies is going to called out.

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7 hours ago, Barbe bleu said:

Fair enough but this sensible middle ground will have cost an extra £18 billion+ after five years without necessarily greatly improving healthcare.

It will mean cuts elsewhere or some drastic tax rises. 

Its a personal choice and there is every reason to think that tax rises are over due, especially in certain areas but let's not pretend its small numbers.

 

Well the triple lock can go. Tax from big tech will need to be properly enforced. Reverse brexit. Offshore tax avoidance will need to be stopped. Re-evaluation of the council tax codes. Excessive pay for heads of companies needs to be looked at with progressive tax hikes.

And if people don't want to pay a decent livable wage then how about looking at things like proper rent control or affordable public transport. More progressive ways of making people's lives a bit easier rather than simply stagnating workers wages like the last ten years of austerity have done.

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On 04/03/2021 at 14:00, PurpleCanary said:

If the UK keeps on breaking the agreement over the border in the Irish Sea it could yet end up with the No-Deal Brexit it just about managed to avoid first time around.

There was what looked to me like a naive leader in The Guardian, blaming Frost for this and painting him as a loose cannon whom Johnson needed to muzzle. Whereas I suspect Johnson has been planning all along to break the agreement to get rid of the border in the Irish Sea, and Frost knows or assumes that and is acting accordingly. Given all we know about Johnson it would actually be a surprise - and quite possibly a first in his life - if he intended to keep his word.

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45 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said:

There was what looked to me like a naive leader in The Guardian, blaming Frost for this and painting him as a loose cannon whom Johnson needed to muzzle. Whereas I suspect Johnson has been planning all along to break the agreement to get rid of the border in the Irish Sea, and Frost knows or assumes that and is acting accordingly. Given all we know about Johnson it would actually be a surprise - and quite possibly a first in his life - if he intended to keep his word.

Exactly. Johnson is just waiting for memories to fade slightly and the Irish Sea will be totally forgotten. He has adopted the Trump stance of promising all and delivering nothing interspersed with plenty of lying.

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Maurice Crouch Growers are having to trash 50m daffodils because of brexit. Who would have thought they couldn't get the staff in to pick them now they can't employ EU workers.(BBC news report)

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3 minutes ago, Herman said:

When Brexit mouthpieces turn on Brexit you know it isn't going well.

Fishing farce: Boris's deal leaves UK fishermen with LESS quota than before Brexit.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1404552/brexit-fishing-news-latest-uk-fishermen-eu-quota-boris-johnson-trade-deal

Oh dear Herman, you seem to have forgotten that Morrison's now own a trawler. Obviously that transforms the UK fishing industry back to its mighty best. Rule Britannia!

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50 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Oh dear Herman, you seem to have forgotten that Morrison's now own a trawler. Obviously that transforms the UK fishing industry back to its mighty best. Rule Britannia!

It's just awaiting a paint job :

 

 

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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/uk-statistics-authority-rebukes-gove-over-brexit-figures/ar-BB1ejFU9?ocid=msedgntp

UK Statistics Authority rebukes Gove over Brexit figures

"The Cabinet Office run by Michael Gove has been officially reprimanded by the UK Statistics Authority for using unpublished and unverifiable data in an attempt to deny that Brexit had caused a massive fall in volumes of trade through British ports."

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