The Positive Brexit Thread

[horsefly 4,275]

30 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

most countries have a BIG following to leave

List those countries and the polls which you have claimed to have seen

[SwindonCanary 455]

19 minutes ago, horsefly said:

List those countries and the polls which you have claimed to have seen

How likely are the 'big four' European economies to vote to leave the EU if Brexit works out? | Euronews

Frexit news: 'France definitely next country to leave EU' - VDL issued huge warning | World | News | Express.co.uk

Could Spain be heading for its own EU referendum? (blacktowerfm.com)

Nigel Farage claims these three countries will want to leave the EU next - Scram News

Polexit: 3 reasons why Poland will quit the EU and 3 why it won’t – POLITICO

Next Country To Leave European Union - OLBG.com

[horsefly 4,275]

Oh dear! you really should actually read the articles you post a link to. But thanks for demonstrating how popular the EU remains among its citizens.

"Unlike their government, Poles are among the most euro-enthusiastic nations in the bloc. In the 2003 accession referendum, 74 percent of voters backed joining the EU, and they’ve become even more pro-EU since then." (https://www.politico.eu/article/polexit-poland-veto-kaczynski-morawiecki-polexit-brexit-eu/)

 

"How would you vote in a referendum on your country's membership of the European Union held in the near future?
Germany- stay 67%, leave 20%
Italy- stay 43%, leave 31%
France- stay 47%, leave 22%
Spain- stay  63%, leave 21%"
(https://www.euronews.com/2020/08/10/nearly-half-of-italians-would-support-leaving-the-eu-if-brexit-is-successful-according-to)

 

"Speaking to the Parliament Magazine, Farage today predicted that the EU will collapse “within 10 years,” due to the seismic impact of Brexit.

The Brexit Party leader also predicted that Italy, Poland and Denmark would be next three countries agitating to leave the EU.

This is despite the fact that populist, right-wing, Eurosceptic governments have been in power for years in Italy and Poland, and yet threats to leave the EU have receded in both countries." (https://scramnews.com/nigel-farage-three-countries-want-leave-eu-next/)

Edited March 2, 2021 by horsefly

[A Load of Squit 5,116]

8 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

How likely are the 'big four' European economies to vote to leave the EU if Brexit works out? | Euronews

An answer to a hyperthetical question, does not reflect your opinion.

Frexit news: 'France definitely next country to leave EU' - VDL issued huge warning | World | News | Express.co.uk

Didn't read it as it's the Express and will have no basis in reality.

Could Spain be heading for its own EU referendum? (blacktowerfm.com)

This one is the same report as the first one.

Nigel Farage claims these three countries will want to leave the EU next - Scram News

Nigel Farage's claims are the complete opposite of the polls in the countries he's mentioned. This report trashes his views.

Polexit: 3 reasons why Poland will quit the EU and 3 why it won’t – POLITICO

Without reading this one it's plain to see they've opted for a 3-3 draw.

Next Country To Leave European Union - OLBG.com

This one is a gambling web site that's trying to get poor mugs to bet on the next country to leave.

You need to try much harder than this, none of these sites back your theory that 'most countries have a BIG following to leave'

 

[SwindonCanary 455]

AS I wrote most countries have a BIG following to leave and it's getting bigger every day , please pay attention 

[horsefly 4,275]

10 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

AS I wrote most countries have a BIG following to leave and it's getting bigger every day , please pay attention 

Idiot! We've just shown you that the articles you've posted show precisely the opposite. Apart. of course, from the Express which doesn't include any evidence whatsoever for its absurd RWNJ speculation. 

[SwindonCanary 455]

idiot !

you posted nearly half of ITALIANS would support leaving if Brexit was successful, what about other countries  

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

2 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

idiot !

you posted nearly half of ITALIANS would support leaving if Brexit was successful, what about other countries  

Now who is promoting fear as the reason to leave?

Moy and yourself never offer any evidence to back up your hatred of the EU. Merely adopting the Trump tactic of lying for effect is not acceptable in the UK.

[horsefly 4,275]

25 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

idiot !

you posted nearly half of ITALIANS would support leaving if Brexit was successful, what about other countries  

Christ you're so dumb! The figures for Italy show 31% saying they would vote leave. only in the intellectually mangled world that represents your mind could anyone claim that 31% represents nearly half the population. You make an utter fool of yourself every time you post.

Edited March 2, 2021 by horsefly

[SwindonCanary 455]

54 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Christ you're so dumb! The figures for Italy show 31% saying they would vote leave. only in the intellectually mangled world that represents your mind could anyone claim that 31% represents nearly half the population. You make an utter fool of yourself every time you post.

YOU QUOTED IT HAVE A LOOK BACK Christ you're so dumb!

[horsefly 4,275]

3 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

YOU QUOTED IT HAVE A LOOK BACK Christ you're so dumb!

Jesus Christ Dumbo! That was the misleading web page link of the article that you posted. It is NOT a quote from me you buffoon, it's your web page link. The quote I put in shows that only 31% of Italians would vote to leave if they had a referendum. How do you manage to be so stupid? Why don't you bother clicking on the links you post and actually read the articles?

[SwindonCanary 455]

2 hours ago, horsefly said:

Oh dear! you really should actually read the articles you post a link to. But thanks for demonstrating how popular the EU remains among its citizens.

"Unlike their government, Poles are among the most euro-enthusiastic nations in the bloc. In the 2003 accession referendum, 74 percent of voters backed joining the EU, and they’ve become even more pro-EU since then." (https://www.politico.eu/article/polexit-poland-veto-kaczynski-morawiecki-polexit-brexit-eu/)

 

"How would you vote in a referendum on your country's membership of the European Union held in the near future?
Germany- stay 67%, leave 20%
Italy- stay 43%, leave 31%
France- stay 47%, leave 22%
Spain- stay  63%, leave 21%"
(https://www.euronews.com/2020/08/10/nearly-half-of-italians-would-support-leaving-the-eu-if-brexit-is-successful-according-to)

 

"Speaking to the Parliament Magazine, Farage today predicted that the EU will collapse “within 10 years,” due to the seismic impact of Brexit.

The Brexit Party leader also predicted that Italy, Poland and Denmark would be next three countries agitating to leave the EU.

This is despite the fact that populist, right-wing, Eurosceptic governments have been in power for years in Italy and Poland, and yet threats to leave the EU have receded in both countries." (https://scramnews.com/nigel-farage-three-countries-want-leave-eu-next/)

italy- stay 43%, leave 31%

Edited March 2, 2021 by SwindonCanary

[BigFish 1,986]

22 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

italy- stay 43%, leave 31%

That is 58% to 42% if you remove the don't knows.

So 58% of Italians who expressed a preference think they would vote to reamain in the EU even if Brexit proves successful.

[SwindonCanary 455]

EU REBELLION Underway As Countries Break Away From Brussels - YouTube

[Well b back 3,186]

41 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

EU REBELLION Underway As Countries Break Away From Brussels - YouTube

You would make a terrible CPS worker. You told us under EU rules that you were not allowed to do it on your own, then you put up evidence that you were lying ?

Germany and Slovakia went on their own a couple of weeks ago, and Slovakia are catching us fast. Germany will soon have enough Pfizer in the Country to give all their citizens 2 doses, keep up.

If you are going to tell porkies ( ie Britain couldn’t go on their own ) it is a bit silly to then put up the evidence that they could.

[SwindonCanary 455]

30 minutes ago, Well b back said:

Germany and Slovakia went on their own a couple of weeks ago, and Slovakia are catching us fast. Germany will soon have enough Pfizer in the Country to give all their citizens 2 doses, keep up.

Germany concerned over reluctance to have jab – as it happened | World news | The Guardian

ps://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1403565/germany-coronavirus-news-httvaccine-astrazeneca-oxford-rollout-thomas-mertens-eu-uk-cases-ont

Germany coronavirus news: Vaccine chief admits country's jab roll out ‘has gone wrong' | World | News - News Chant UK

[Well b back 3,186]

3 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

Germany concerned over reluctance to have jab – as it happened | World news | The Guardian

ps://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1403565/germany-coronavirus-news-httvaccine-astrazeneca-oxford-rollout-thomas-mertens-eu-uk-cases-ont

Germany coronavirus news: Vaccine chief admits country's jab roll out ‘has gone wrong' | World | News - News Chant UK

I am very confused, what’s that got to do with you telling us you could not go on your own, and then putting up evidence that you can.

[Indy 3,283]

It must be wonderful in the world of Walter Mitty! WBB, in his world all he says is true!

[SwindonCanary 455]

3 hours ago, Well b back said:

I am very confused, what’s that got to do with you telling us you could not go on your own, and then putting up evidence that you can.

the links show that 'Well b back' wrote "Germany will soon have enough Pfizer in the Country to give all their citizens 2 doses"

I JUST LIKE TO PROVE HIM WRONG 

[Well b back 3,186]

1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

the links show that 'Well b back' wrote "Germany will soon have enough Pfizer in the Country to give all their citizens 2 doses"

I JUST LIKE TO PROVE HIM WRONG 

Lol unlike you and mad Moy I don’t lie. You will see also from the link at the bottom that America will also have enough supply by the end of May. To see the rest of the World also moving on is surely amazing ?, Strange how Germany went on their own, do you think they maybe will be thrown out of the EU now ? Yesterday 20 million were vaccinated worldwide with the US doing slightly short of 2 million and the EU doing slightly short of 1 million. When they talk of next month, this report was beginning of Feb so about now.

Before you say that is not enough doses, please bear in mind Germany has around 12 million under 18’s bringing the figure down to 71 million of which 70% are expected to take up the jab 50 million. You can also now get an extra dose from each phile accounting for around another 10 - 15 million doses.
Thanks to deep pockets, Germany snaps up extra coronavirus jabs

While Berlin championed the bloc's joint purchasing of coronavirus vaccines while holding the European Union's rotating presidency in the second half of 2020, it simultaneously made additional agreements with vaccine producers — including BioNTech/Pfizer and CureVac — for extra doses. And it's now purchasing additional vaccines other EU countries didn't want. 

Germany, a country of 83 million people, said it's getting 94 million doses of the BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine, 64 million from the EU and 30 million from a separate bilateral deal. On top of that, Berlin will buy doses that other countries don't buy, securing 50 million of 160 million Moderna doses — far more than its pro-rata allocation.

BioNTech and Pfizer plan to supply an additional 700m doses of their Covid-19 vaccine this year thanks to a new factory in Germany and adjusted European guidelines that allow for an extra shot to be extracted from each vial. The companies had originally pledged to make 1.3bn doses in 2021 but now intend to provide as many as 2bn, BioNTech said in a statement.

In addition to extra production from a new facility in Marburg, due to begin next month, European supplies have been boosted by a decision last week by the EU regulator to follow the US in allowing a sixth dose to be extracted from each vial. Previously, the small containers were only licensed to be diluted into five doses in the EU but healthcare workers had noticed there was material left that was going to waste.

https://apnews.com/article/merck-help-make-johnson-johnson-vaccine-9ca6f1f4c502b095531926a53abe7262

 

[horsefly 4,275]

9 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

italy- stay 43%, leave 31%

Yes that is indeed one of the stats I quoted and it shows that only 31% would vote leave. Precisely what I said. And have you worked out that 31% isn't the same as 50%? Congratulations! 

[Well b back 3,186]

2 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

the links show that 'Well b back' wrote "Germany will soon have enough Pfizer in the Country to give all their citizens 2 doses"

I JUST LIKE TO PROVE HIM WRONG 

Your links said you could not go on your own unless you left the EU, the Poster Swindon Canary put up links to show you lied.

[Well b back 3,186]

8 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Yes that is indeed one of the stats I quoted and it shows that only 31% would vote leave. Precisely what I said. And have you worked out that 31% isn't the same as 50%? Congratulations! 

Strangely enough the latest YouGov poll shows similar here now

Asking people whether they would vote in a 2016 re-run shows a 12-point lead for Remain – similar to the outcome of our right/wrong to vote to leave the EU tracker. Half (49%) say they would vote to Remain versus 37% who would vote to leave. The remaining 13% say they would either not vote, are unsure, or refuse to give an answer.

 

[horsefly 4,275]

4 hours ago, Well b back said:

Strangely enough the latest YouGov poll shows similar here now

Asking people whether they would vote in a 2016 re-run shows a 12-point lead for Remain – similar to the outcome of our right/wrong to vote to leave the EU tracker. Half (49%) say they would vote to Remain versus 37% who would vote to leave. The remaining 13% say they would either not vote, are unsure, or refuse to give an answer.

 

Of course we have done EU unity a massive favour by being a real-life example of the catastrophe that can occur if you leave. No-one with any degree of sanity is going to want to replicate the shambles of the UK's exit. The gullible in this country were easily fooled into believing the Johnson and Farage lies, the rest of the EU now has the cast-iron proof of those lies and the massive damage they have caused to the country.

[Herman 9,710]

All this brexitting gets a bit confusing. I'd love some of these people to go back and read their contortions and see how ridiculous they are being:

"Luckily the UK had left the EU because if we hadn't we would not have had a successful vaccine rollout, even though we were technically still a part of EU mechanisms when our vaccine rollout started.

EU members cannot do their own thing while under the auspices of the EU, even though EU members are doing some things to do with the vaccine on their own while being members which is a sure sign that the EU is falling apart."

 

[BigFish 1,986]

19 minutes ago, Herman said:

All this brexitting gets a bit confusing. I'd love some of these people to go back and read their contortions and see how ridiculous they are being:

"Luckily the UK had left the EU because if we hadn't we would not have had a successful vaccine rollout, even though we were technically still a part of EU mechanisms when our vaccine rollout started.

EU members cannot do their own thing while under the auspices of the EU, even though EU members are doing some things to do with the vaccine on their own while being members which is a sure sign that the EU is falling apart."

The years of lies needed to win the referendum, elections & push this deal through Parliament has had a deeply corrosive effect. We are out, and the facts of how it is working speak for themselves (so far, so bad). But this is not enough, not only does Brexit have to succeed, and be seen to succeed but the EU has to fail to satisfy a certain monomania. There is no evidence of either happening and both are highly unlikely.

[paul moy 235]

1 hour ago, horsefly said:

Of course we have done EU unity a massive favour by being a real-life example of the catastrophe that can occur if you leave. No-one with any degree of sanity is going to want to replicate the shambles of the UK's exit. The gullible in this country were easily fooled into believing the Johnson and Farage lies, the rest of the EU now has the cast-iron proof of those lies and the massive damage they have caused to the country.

Such a catastrophe to be able to make our own decisions, own trade deals, save 15 billion a year parasite costs, controlling our own destiny, interest rates, currency and spending at a time of massive international debt due to covid.

Making our own decisions has meant that we will be booming while the EU will still be vaccinating well into next year and probably suffering further lockdowns.

EU unity is a fallacy as countries break away, now making their own vaccine ordering decisions etc after EU collective failure. 

Many are now reconsidering the 'benefits' of being an EU cash cow, such as Eire which now has to be a net annual payer while also sacrificing its fishing industry to the 'greater good'.  The pips are squeaking as their treachery towards its biggest single customer reaps its dividend !!  🤣

Meanwhile. Morrisons have bought up a major fishing company in Cornwall and will  be supplying 80% of its own fish from UK waters using its own trawlers.

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/business/morrisons-becomes-first-supermarket-to-own-its-own-fishing-boat-after-it-acquires-falfish-3150090

 

 

 

 

 

[SwindonCanary 455]

8 hours ago, Well b back said:

Your links said you could not go on your own unless you left the EU, the Poster Swindon Canary put up links to show you lied.

I just wrote that you were wrong I did not accuse you of lying, so why do you keep writing it that I lied ?

Edited March 3, 2021 by SwindonCanary

[BigFish 1,986]

7 minutes ago, paul moy said:

Worth looking at this as an example........

Such a catastrophe to be able to make our own decisions, own trade deals,

So far so true

save 15 billion a year parasite costs,

Oh dear, a straight up lie. Net cost didn't hit this value and additional costs already far away any "saving"

controlling our own destiny, interest rates, currency and spending

UK already controlled these, so not really a benefit

at a time of massive international debt due to covid.

Yes there is massive debt, the UK debt has never been higher and a Conservative chancellor is borrowing more that any of his predecessors (all together I believe)

Making our own decisions has meant that we will be booming while the EU will still be vaccinating well into next year and probably suffering further lockdowns.

Totally baseless assertion. Yes the UK should be able to get a headstart in recovery thanks to the vaccine rollout but this is no boom. The bounceback will not recover the position the ceonomy would have been if there had been no Brexit and no Covid. It will be slower and longer and we will be poorer

EU unity is a fallacy as countries break away, now making their own vaccine ordering decisions etc after EU collective failure.

Just not happening, another baseless assertion. The EU shows no sign of breaking up and countries are just using their sovereign powers within in the block.

Many are now reconsidering the 'benefits' of being an EU cash cow, such as Eire which now has to be a net annual payer while also sacrificing its fishing industry to the 'greater good'.  The pips are squeaking as their treachery towards its biggest single customer reaps its dividend !!  🤣

The Republic of Ireland has quite enjoyed having the weight of the EU behind it when negotiating with the UK. At the same time its financial industry has much to gain from the Brexit inspired decline in the City of London.

Meanwhile. Morrisons have bought up a major fishing company in Cornwall and will  be supplying 80% of its own fish from UK waters using its own trawlers.

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/business/morrisons-becomes-first-supermarket-to-own-its-own-fishing-boat-after-it-acquires-falfish-3150090

 

 

 

 

 

 

[A Load of Squit 5,116]

27 minutes ago, paul moy said:

Such a catastrophe to be able to make our own decisions, own trade deals, save 15 billion a year parasite costs, controlling our own destiny, interest rates, currency and spending at a time of massive international debt due to covid.

Making our own decisions has meant that we will be booming while the EU will still be vaccinating well into next year and probably suffering further lockdowns.

EU unity is a fallacy as countries break away, now making their own vaccine ordering decisions etc after EU collective failure. 

Many are now reconsidering the 'benefits' of being an EU cash cow, such as Eire which now has to be a net annual payer while also sacrificing its fishing industry to the 'greater good'.  The pips are squeaking as their treachery towards its biggest single customer reaps its dividend !!  🤣

Meanwhile. Morrisons have bought up a major fishing company in Cornwall and will  be supplying 80% of its own fish from UK waters using its own trawlers.

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/business/morrisons-becomes-first-supermarket-to-own-its-own-fishing-boat-after-it-acquires-falfish-3150090

 

 

 

 

 

It's trawler, the company only has one boat.