Well b back 3,190 Posted February 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: Just tell me what's not true about thisĀ Because we would have done it exactly the same way even if we had voted remain. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jools 584 Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) On 07/02/2021 at 07:42, horsefly said: Here you go Gumby Gammon, even your beloved Telegraph knows the truth, it's the disastrous Brexit deal that isĀ to blame: Hauliers say exports to European Union are down 68pc since Brexit A survey of internationalĀ hauliersĀ has found the volume of exports travelling from British ports to the EU fell 68 per cent last month compared to the same period last year. The research by the Road Haulage Association (RHA) prompted it to write to Cabinet Minister Michael Gove to call for assistance, particularly with increasing the number of customs agents from 10,000 to 50,0000 to help firms with extra post-Brexit paperwork. Chief executive Richard Burnett told The Observer that the RHA had also found 65-75 per cent of vehicles arriving from the EU were returning to the bloc empty due to a lack of goods, hold-ups in the UK and because British companies had halted exports to the continent. Mr Burnett said he found it "deeply frustrating and annoying that ministers have chosen not to listen to the industry and experts", who have consistently called for greater consultation by Government. He said Mr Gove had not responded in writing "pretty much every time we have written over the last six months". "He tends to get officials to start working on things. But the responses are a complete waste of time because they don't listen to what the issues were that we raised in the first place," Mr Burnett said. The Government offered a six-month grace period following Brexit, allowing the suspension of the full range of physical checks on imports until July. On Thursday, former Tory chancellor Lord Lamont warned red tape linked to the Brexit deal had rendered most business between Britain and Northern Ireland uneconomic. Two weeks earlier, the RHA said a 12-month grace period and urgent financial aid were needed to iron out problems with the post-Brexit Irish Sea trade border. I wonder why we haven't seen the predicted massive queues of Lorries at the ports?....Ā Brexidiots!!! Here you go, you massiveĀ šš: Ā EU TRADE ALREADY BACK TO 90%Ā š Ā Despite hysterical claims from some left-wing newspapers that EU exports had dropped by 68% in January, Dover Ports have announced that trade has already bounced back to 90% of volumes typical for this time of year.Ā And that is despite the requirement for hauliers to have a negative Covid test. In reality, the 68% drop in January was a combination of Covid restrictions, cautious stockpiling before the 31stĀ in case of No Deal, and learning new systems. The further from January 1stĀ things have moved, the more trade flows have been returning to normal.Ā A statement from Dover Port todayĀ announced that: āA month on since the end of the Brexit transition period, the Port of Dover is pleased to already be welcoming over 90% of the freight traffic volumes typical of this time of year following the significant stockpiling experienced before Christmas.ā āThe message to hauliers is that as long as you come to Kent border ready and with a negative COVID test, then it wonāt be long before you are on your way to France on the shortest ferry crossing.ā Guido is sure the Guardian will inform its readers with a new good news splash tomorrow morningā¦ Ā Think before you link, Tango. š Edited February 8, 2021 by Jools 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rock The Boat 1,326 Posted February 8, 2021 6 hours ago, horsefly said: Ā https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-51235105 Take a look at the following table you buffoon, and then tell me who in the hell would be envious of our appalling record on dealing with Covid-19. Ā Ā Deaths per 100,000 people Filter:Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā The worldĀ Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā AfricaĀ Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā North AmericaĀ Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Latin America & CaribbeanĀ Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā AsiaĀ Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā EuropeĀ Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Middle EastĀ Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā OceaniaĀ Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Country Deaths Death rate* Total Cases New Cases Ā 0 Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 10 100 1k 10k Ā ** US 453,855 138.8 26,574,495 25 JAN 04 FEB Brazil 228,795 109.2 9,396,293 Ā Mexico 162,922 129.1 1,899,820 Ā India 154,823 11.4 10,802,591 Ā UK 110,250 164.2 3,892,459 Ā Italy 90,241 148.8 2,597,446 Ā France 77,595 119.4 3,251,160 Ā Russia 74,520 51.1 3,891,274 Ā Spain 60,802 130.2 2,913,425 Ā Germany 60,634 72.9 2,265,536 Ā Iran 58,256 71.2 1,445,326 Ā Colombia 55,131 111.0 2,135,412 Ā Argentina 48,700 109.8 1,961,635 Ā South Africa 45,605 78.9 1,466,767 Ā Peru 41,538 129.8 1,158,337 Ā Poland 38,344 101.1 1,533,511 Ā Indonesia 31,001 11.6 1,123,105 Ā Turkey 26,467 32.1 2,508,988 Ā Ukraine 24,599 55.6 1,280,501 Ā Belgium 21,260 185.2 718,847 Ā Canada 20,486 55.3 798,394 Ā Chile 18,731 100.0 740,237 Ā Romania 18,675 95.7 738,152 Ā Czech Republic 16,976 159.2 1,021,477 Ā Ecuador 14,968 87.6 253,339 Ā Netherlands 14,237 83.5 993,626 Ā Portugal 13,482 131.5 748,858 Ā Iraq 13,091 34.1 624,222 Ā Hungary 12,930 133.2 373,564 Ā Sweden 12,028 120.6 584,674 Ā Pakistan 11,886 5.6 551,842 Ā Philippines 10,997 10.3 531,699 Ā Bolivia 10,633 93.7 224,234 Ā Switzerland 9,556 112.1 530,289 Ā Egypt 9,512 9.7 168,057 Ā Bulgaria 9,272 131.5 222,149 Ā Morocco 8,351 23.2 473,667 Ā Bangladesh 8,175 5.1 537,030 Ā Austria 7,936 89.3 419,801 Ā Tunisia 7,048 60.9 213,949 Ā Saudi Arabia 6,389 19.0 369,248 Ā Japan 6,175 4.9 400,344 Ā Greece 5,903 56.1 160,935 Ā Guatemala 5,785 33.5 161,665 Ā Panama 5,391 129.1 324,489 Ā Croatia 5,106 122.8 234,153 Ā Israel 5,019 59.9 679,149 Ā Slovakia 4,976 91.3 256,903 Ā China 4,822 0.3 100,268 Ā Bosnia and Herzegovina 4,745 142.8 122,828 Ā Jordan 4,354 43.7 331,768 Ā Serbia 4,085 58.5 402,700 Ā Honduras 3,669 38.3 152,225 Ā Ireland 3,586 74.4 200,744 Ā Slovenia 3,580 172.3 171,340 Ā Moldova 3,497 86.3 162,624 Ā Lebanon 3,397 49.5 312,269 Ā Georgia 3,258 81.4 261,018 Ā Myanmar 3,163 5.9 141,104 Ā Azerbaijan 3,148 31.6 230,769 Ā Kazakhstan 3,119 17.0 240,983 Ā Armenia 3,109 105.3 167,726 Ā Lithuania 2,908 103.8 185,601 Ā Algeria 2,904 6.9 108,381 Ā North Macedonia 2,900 139.2 93,882 Ā Paraguay 2,779 40.0 136,023 Ā Dominican Republic 2,747 25.8 218,948 Ā Costa Rica 2,662 53.2 195,992 Ā Afghanistan 2,407 6.5 55,231 Ā Denmark 2,184 38.0 200,335 Ā Ethiopia 2,126 1.9 140,157 Ā Nepal 2,033 7.2 271,602 Ā Libya 1,919 28.7 122,013 Ā Palestinian Territories 1,865 38.4 161,087 Ā Sudan 1,831 4.4 29,577 Ā Kenya 1,773 3.4 101,339 Ā Belarus 1,755 18.6 253,413 Ā El Salvador 1,662 25.9 56,025 Ā Nigeria 1,632 0.8 136,030 Ā Oman 1,532 31.7 135,041 Ā Kosovo 1,514 82.0 61,404 Ā South Korea 1,459 2.9 80,131 Ā Kyrgyzstan 1,420 22.5 84,920 Ā Albania 1,418 49.2 81,993 Ā Zimbabwe 1,288 8.9 34,171 Ā Latvia 1,281 66.4 69,400 Ā Venezuela 1,216 4.2 128,775 Ā Kuwait 962 23.3 168,250 Ā Syria 938 5.5 14,267 Ā Australia 909 3.7 28,842 Ā United Arab Emirates 888 9.2 316,875 Ā Malaysia 826 2.6 231,483 Ā Montenegro 826 131.6 63,633 Ā Zambia 812 4.7 59,003 Ā Malawi 779 4.3 25,884 Ā Finland 688 12.5 46,493 Ā DR Congo 678 0.8 23,222 Ā Senegal 659 4.2 27,733 Ā Uzbekistan 621 1.9 78,989 Ā Yemen 615 2.2 2,122 Ā Eswatini 591 52.0 16,045 Ā Luxembourg 588 97.3 51,330 Ā Norway 582 10.9 64,212 Ā Uruguay 476 13.8 43,804 Ā Cameroon 474 1.9 30,313 Ā Angola 473 1.5 19,996 Ā Estonia 443 33.5 46,334 Ā Ghana 440 1.5 69,255 Ā Mozambique 427 1.4 42,488 Ā Mauritania 425 9.7 16,740 Ā Bahrain 377 24.0 105,496 Ā Namibia 364 14.9 34,519 Ā Jamaica 355 12.1 16,250 Ā Sri Lanka 339 1.6 67,115 Ā Mali 333 1.7 8,130 Ā Uganda 327 0.8 39,735 Ā Belize 306 79.9 12,008 Ā Madagascar 281 1.1 19,065 Ā Malta 273 62.2 18,385 Ā Qatar 249 9.0 152,898 Ā Haiti 245 2.2 11,692 Ā Cuba 225 2.0 30,345 Ā Rwanda 210 1.7 15,988 Ā Cyprus 208 17.5 31,379 Ā Lesotho 178 8.4 8,969 Ā Guyana 177 22.7 7,780 Ā Bahamas 176 45.6 8,247 Ā Nicaragua 170 2.6 6,299 Ā Niger 164 0.7 4,575 Ā Botswana 163 7.2 23,503 Ā Ivory Coast 158 0.6 29,102 Ā Guadeloupe 158 39.5 9,156 Ā Suriname 158 27.4 8,595 Ā Cape Verde 135 24.8 14,290 Ā Trinidad and Tobago 135 9.7 7,607 Ā French Polynesia 133 47.9 18,165 Ā Burkina Faso 132 0.7 11,053 Ā Somalia 132 0.9 4,814 Ā Gambia 132 5.8 4,184 Ā Congo 122 2.3 8,060 Ā Chad 121 0.8 3,433 Ā Comoros 105 12.6 2,975 Ā Andorra 103 133.8 10,137 Ā Tajikistan 90 1.0 13,308 Ā Equatorial Guinea 86 6.6 5,534 Ā Guinea 84 0.7 14,629 Ā Liberia 84 1.7 1,945 Ā Channel Islands 83 48.7 3,816 Ā Thailand 79 0.1 22,644 Ā Togo 79 1.0 5,290 Ā Gibraltar 79 234.3 4,163 Ā Sierra Leone 79 1.0 3,728 Ā French Guiana 78 27.6 16,218 Ā Gabon 70 3.3 11,129 Ā San Marino 68 201.3 3,111 Ā South Sudan 66 0.6 4,267 Ā Djibouti 63 6.6 5,936 Ā Central African Republic 63 1.4 4,989 Ā Mayotte 62 23.9 9,292 Ā Aruba 61 57.6 7,134 Ā Maldives 54 10.5 16,410 Ā Benin 54 0.5 4,119 Ā Liechtenstein 52 137.1 2,513 Ā RĆ©union 47 5.3 10,330 Ā Guinea-Bissau 46 2.5 2,662 Ā Martinique 45 12.0 6,442 Ā Vietnam 35 0.0 1,957 Ā Singapore 29 0.5 59,649 Ā Iceland 29 8.6 6,016 Ā Saint Martin 27 72.5 1,911 Ā New Zealand 25 0.5 2,315 Ā Isle of Man 25 29.7 434 Ā CuraƧao 21 12.9 4,597 Ā Tanzania 21 0.0 509 Ā Monaco 18 46.5 1,596 Ā Saint Lucia 18 9.9 1,556 Ā Sao Tome and Principe 17 8.1 1,298 Ā Barbados 15 5.2 1,641 Ā Diamond Princess cruise ship 13 Ā 712 Ā Bermuda 12 19.1 692 Ā Mauritius 10 0.8 584 Ā Turks and Caicos Islands 9 23.9 1,553 Ā Taiwan 9 0.0 919 Ā Papua New Guinea 9 0.1 891 Ā Eritrea 7 0.2 2,309 Ā Antigua and Barbuda 7 7.3 268 Ā Seychelles 5 5.1 1,289 Ā St Vincent and the Grenadines 3 2.7 1,067 Ā Brunei 3 0.7 180 Ā Mongolia 2 0.1 1,928 Ā Burundi 2 0.0 1,686 Ā Cayman Islands 2 3.1 400 Ā Fiji 2 0.2 56 Ā MS Zaandam cruise ship 2 Ā 9 Ā Bhutan 1 0.1 859 Ā Faroe Islands 1 2.1 655 Ā Saint Barthelemy 1 10.2 360 Ā Grenada 1 0.9 148 Ā British Virgin Islands 1 3.4 114 Ā Montserrat 1 20.0 13 Ā Cambodia 0 0.0 470 Ā Dominica 0 0.0 121 Ā Timor-Leste 0 0.0 80 Ā New Caledonia 0 0.0 47 Ā Laos 0 0.0 45 Ā Falkland Islands 0 0.0 45 Ā Saint Kitts and Nevis 0 0.0 39 Ā Greenland 0 0.0 30 Ā Vatican 0 0.0 27 Ā Saint Pierre and Miquelon 0 0.0 24 Ā Solomon Islands 0 0.0 17 Ā Anguilla 0 0.0 17 Ā Marshall Islands 0 0.0 4 Ā Samoa 0 0.0 2 Ā Vanuatu 0 0.0 1 Ā Micronesia 0 0.0 1 Ā Ā Ā Why are you gloating at other people's deaths. It's really despicable, you completely lack humanity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rock The Boat 1,326 Posted February 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Indy said: You have to remember most brexiteers are at the lower end of the intelligence spectrum and as such Iāll informed by their very nurture, still live by 1970ās standards. Believe what they see on a side of a racist bus! You guys are brilliant. I liken you to recruiting sergeants for the Brexit cause. Keep up the good work, you old **** sparras! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rock The Boat 1,326 Posted February 8, 2021 Just now, Rock The Boat said: You guys are brilliant. I liken you to recruiting sergeants for the Brexit cause. Keep up the good work, you old **** sparras! fyi that was c o c k no bull. Ā Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy 3,286 Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said: You guys are brilliant. I liken you to recruiting sergeants for the Brexit cause. Keep up the good work, you old **** sparras! Hit a nerve? ššĀ So summed you up right! Edited February 8, 2021 by Indy 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,287 Posted February 8, 2021 41 minutes ago, Jools said: Here you go, you massiveĀ šš: Ā EU TRADE ALREADY BACK TO 90%Ā š Ā Despite hysterical claims from some left-wing newspapers that EU exports had dropped by 68% in January, Dover Ports have announced that trade has already bounced back to 90% of volumes typical for this time of year.Ā And that is despite the requirement for hauliers to have a negative Covid test. In reality, the 68% drop in January was a combination of Covid restrictions, cautious stockpiling before the 31stĀ in case of No Deal, and learning new systems. The further from January 1stĀ things have moved, the more trade flows have been returning to normal.Ā A statement from Dover Port todayĀ announced that: āA month on since the end of the Brexit transition period, the Port of Dover is pleased to already be welcoming over 90% of the freight traffic volumes typical of this time of year following the significant stockpiling experienced before Christmas.ā āThe message to hauliers is that as long as you come to Kent border ready and with a negative COVID test, then it wonāt be long before you are on your way to France on the shortest ferry crossing.ā Guido is sure the Guardian will inform its readers with a new good news splash tomorrow morningā¦ Ā Think before you link, Tango. š Oh dear! The 68% figure comes from the Road Hauliers Association you buffoon.Hardly a left-wing organisation. Whereas Guido is yet another of your band of RWNJs.Ā BTW you seem to have forgotten to give us an account of your falling out with old Nige. He thinks the CPTPP absolutely stinks, yet you are desperate for the UK to join. So do tell us about your split from your man crush. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,287 Posted February 8, 2021 34 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said: Why are you gloating at other people's deaths. It's really despicable, you completely lack humanity. Oh Dear! The sites very own paedophile apologist demonstrates he's incapable of reading a BBC produced chart on numbers of Covid deaths. About time you apologised for calling Epstein's child rape victimsĀ "well paid prostitues" don't you think?Ā But no doubt that's too much to ask of degenerate vermin like you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Yellow Fever said: EVERYTHING !!! Just to make it clear if we were in the EU we would be like the rest of the EU waiting for a vaccine whilst we are out and can jump the queueĀ Ā Ā how's it everything ? Edited February 8, 2021 by SwindonCanary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,287 Posted February 8, 2021 9 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: Just to make it clear if we were in the EU we would be like the rest of the EU waiting for a vaccine whilst we are out and can jump the queueĀ Ā Ā how's it everything ? How many times do you need telling that the head of the vaccine task force and the head of the MHRA have both said that our approval and roll out of vaccines has nothing to do with Brexit. Everything we did was completely within EU regulations. Are you seriously suggesting we should believe you and not them? FFS try finding something else positive to say that isn't so obviously proven false by the very people responsible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,182 Posted February 8, 2021 22 hours ago, Rock The Boat said: As Roger Daltry famously points out, bands used to tour the continent before we joined the common market. We are back to that same situation. Only covid stopping you taking your guitar to Hamburg tomorrow, Herman. Ā 22 hours ago, Herman said: This Roger Daltrey? https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jan/20/brexiter-roger-daltrey-criticises-restrictions-for-musicians-touring-europe It's the Roger Daltrey who was prevented from touring inĀ Holland with hisĀ band, TheĀ Who, in 1966 due to a lack ofĀ Work Permits Though this isn't really about The Who, they are big enoughĀ to look after themselves. Its the smaller artists who will suffer moreĀ 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,749 Posted February 8, 2021 21 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: Just to make it clear if we were in the EU we would be like the rest of the EU waiting for a vaccine whilst we are out and can jump the queueĀ Ā Ā how's it everything ? You start with a false premis as many have pointed out. However, to labour the point what we did was within EU rules and competence hence your argument is simply null and voided byĀ the actual evidence of our actions under EU law as we were until 1/1/21. Your argument is simply Brexiteer wishful thinking and fantasy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,190 Posted February 8, 2021 Some more U.K. jobs ( unfortunately lost ) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-55987138 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,749 Posted February 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Well b back said: Some more U.K. jobs ( unfortunately lost ) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-55987138 The sad thingĀ about this is it reduces the demand for the shellfish the fisherman catch. The ripples mean theyĀ will become uneconomic too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,717 Posted February 8, 2021 24 minutes ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said: Ā It's the Roger Daltrey who was prevented from touring inĀ Holland with hisĀ band, TheĀ Who, in 1966 due to a lack ofĀ Work Permits Though this isn't really about The Who, they are big enoughĀ to look after themselves. Its the smaller artists who will suffer moreĀ This is another great opinion piece from someone that has lived it. https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/feb/08/european-touring-radiohead-brexit-colin-greenwood 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted February 8, 2021 14 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said: You start with a false premis as many have pointed out. I've already wrote the vaccine is available to us because we are out of the EUĀ Ā do you not believe that ?Ā Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,749 Posted February 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: I've already wrote the vaccine is available to us because we are out of the EUĀ Ā do you not believe that ?Ā SwindonĀ - Are you really trying to be a Remainer double agent -Ā pretending to be theĀ thickest ever Brexiteer as Jool's even once inferred.Ā YouĀ are becoming quite convincing.Ā Or do theseĀ fantasies help you sleep better at night rather than let yourĀ nagging conscience keep from telling you you are a fool? Look coldly at the facts beforeĀ you. 1 + 1 = 2 Ā not 4. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jools 584 Posted February 8, 2021 BMW celebrates 20 years of UK production at Hams Hall factory | MTDMFG Ā Despite BrexitĀ š Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted February 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Yellow Fever said: the vaccine is available to us because we are out of the EUĀ do you not believe that, if not explainĀ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,190 Posted February 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Jools said: BMW celebrates 20 years of UK production at Hams Hall factory | MTDMFG Ā Despite BrexitĀ š Nothing like a bit of local knowledge lol, that was in November, hereās the real story.Ā BMWās decision to focus production of its electric powertrains in Germany and shun the UK has been labelled āa great shameā. In the same week the government announced a ban of petrol and diesel cars in the UK from 2030, BMW handed production of its V8 and V12 engines to its Hams Hall factory in Birmingham and said its electric powertrains would be built in Germany. Economics academic and automotive expert Prof David Bailey expressed his disappointment at the decision. He said:Ā āThe low carbon future growth technology is all in Germany. Hams Hall is stuck with old technology, which is on the way out. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,749 Posted February 8, 2021 15 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: do you not believe that, if not explainĀ Yawn. Please read any of the threads above on this. Our decision to go the way we did was not contingent on being in or out of the EU. Try to grasp that simple fact. Its a bit like Ipswich can if they likeĀ sack Lambert without having to drop into league 2 first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,749 Posted February 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, Well b back said: Nothing like a bit of local knowledge lol, that was in November, hereās the real story.Ā BMWās decision to focus production of its electric powertrains in Germany and shun the UK has been labelled āa great shameā. In the same week the government announced a ban of petrol and diesel cars in the UK from 2030, BMW handed production of its V8 and V12 engines to its Hams Hall factory in Birmingham and said its electric powertrains would be built in Germany. Economics academic and automotive expert Prof David Bailey expressed his disappointment at the decision. He said:Ā āThe low carbon future growth technology is all in Germany. Hams Hall is stuck with old technology, which is on the way out. I know. Sad isn't it that Jools is reduced to these misdirections.Ā Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted February 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said: Yawn. Please read any of the threads above on this. Our decision to go the way we did was not contingent on being in or out of the EU. Try to grasp that simple fact. Its a bit like Ipswich can if they likeĀ sack Lambert without having to drop into league 2 first. We could not obtain the vaccine by our selfĀ if still in the EUĀ Ā Coronavirus vaccines strategy | European Commission (europa.eu) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,749 Posted February 8, 2021 Oh dear. Please read the first few lines. If we'd ofĀ stayed in, been a full member we still didn't need to agree to this if we didn't wish too. Indeed we could of persuaded the EU to go a different route, multiple routes or none at all whatever.Ā In short you inverting cause and effect. We acted in accordance with EU rules and were indeed vaccinating someĀ of our citizens before Christmas with Pfizer whilstĀ still operatingĀ fully under EU regulations. Others couldĀ have doneĀ the same. They choose to go all in together and we didn't. Strange how we weren't forced too isn't it when still operating under EU regs? Ā 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,190 Posted February 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: We could not obtain the vaccine by our selfĀ if still in the EUĀ Ā Coronavirus vaccines strategy | European Commission (europa.eu) You know we could so why lie ? Its quite concerning that you are calling Kate Bingham a liar and yet more concerning that you are accusing the MHRA of being underhanded, something we should be celebrating, instead you are accusing them of not knowing what they are doing. How do you fancy a tasty wager proceeds to Covax that what you are saying about our strategy could only happen if we were not in the EU, is tosh ?, there is a difference between what individual countries did and what they were allowed to do. Germany has just done a deal to get enough Pfizer vaccine for almost every EU citizen but for their own use. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted February 9, 2021 Once available, proven safe and effective, and authorised at EU level,Ā all Member States will have access to COVID-19 vaccines at the same time and the distribution will be done on a per capita basis to ensure fair access. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,287 Posted February 9, 2021 1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said: Once available, proven safe and effective, and authorised at EU level,Ā all Member States will have access to COVID-19 vaccines at the same time and the distribution will be done on a per capita basis to ensure fair access. Jesus! That's because they each FREELY decide to join the common purchasing scheme. NOT ONE of those 27 countries was obliged to. EACH one of them had the option to do this entirely on their own if they wished. How do you not undertand these very simple points that have been repeated to you ad infinitum? 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted February 9, 2021 This is the āPositiveĀ Brexitā thread isnāt it?Ā Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,287 Posted February 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Surfer said: This is the āPositiveĀ Brexitā thread isnāt it?Ā Haha! sure is, but positive in the sense that one might get a positive test result for a medical condition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
