The Positive Brexit Thread

[horsefly 4,287]

11 hours ago, Herman said:

I wonder if their ideology was behind their forgetting of the British music industry? Either that or incompetence/lack of knowledge.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/feb/07/elton-john-brexit-negotiators-screwed-up-deal-for-british-musicians

May I suggest you ask Jools for an answer to that. He can set up a seance to get in touch with David Bowie. Let's face it, if Bowie is going to "come through" for anybody, it would definitely be for his best mate. 

[SwindonCanary 455]

I really don't know why all you lot are on the ' the Positive brexit thead' Giving all these negative comments  when you should be on 'The Brexit thread (reprise) '   Remainers never do as should.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 8, 2021 by SwindonCanary

[horsefly 4,287]

5 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

I really don't know why all you lot are on the ' the Positive brexit thead' Giving all these negative comments  when you should be on 'The Brexit thread (reprise) '   Remainers never do as should.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We are doing our public duty and pointing out that everything you obedient fools post as a positive brexit story is really a load of propoganda and blatant lies. No need to thank us for it, truth is its own reward.

And btw, where are all these "positive brexit" stories? Can't seem to find any since Jan 1st.

[SwindonCanary 455]

4 minutes ago, horsefly said:

And btw, where are all these "positive brexit" stories? Can't seem to find any since Jan 1st.

how about saving thousands of lives from the virus, because we are out  

[Herman 9,713]

It's not true. 

[horsefly 4,287]

25 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

how about saving thousands of lives from the virus, because we are out  

I knew you could be relied upon to prove my point so beautifully. So, am I supposed to believe you about this or the person actually responsible for approving the vaccines for use, Dr June Raine who heads the MHRA? She says BREXIT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE UK'S EARLY APPROVAL OF VACCINES, but you say the opposite.  I rest my case.

Edited February 8, 2021 by horsefly

[horsefly 4,287]

39 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

how about saving thousands of lives from the virus, because we are out  

Perhaps you should also remember that the date we left the EU was January 31st 2020. Now would you like to tell me which country from the European continent has the highest number of deaths from Covid-19 from that date to the present day. I look forward to your answer, it really shouldn't take you long to find it.

Edited February 8, 2021 by horsefly

[SwindonCanary 455]

how many lives would have gone if we did not have a vacation programme , only possible now we are out  

[horsefly 4,287]

Oh dear Swindle! a couple of laughing emojis doesn't get you off the hook. Now please answer the questions I posed, or are you too ashamed to admit you're wrong yet again. You really ought to be used to that by now.

Might I also point out that a laughing emoji in response to the fact that the UK has the highest death toll from Covid-19 in Europe, is really not a good look.

Edited February 8, 2021 by horsefly

[horsefly 4,287]

1 minute ago, SwindonCanary said:

how many lives would have gone if we did not have a vacation programme , only possible now we are out  

I'm not sure having a plan for holidays saves any lives!!!

[Herman 9,713]

44 minutes ago, horsefly said:

I knew you could be relied upon to prove my point so beautifully. So, am I supposed to believe you about this or the person actually responsible for approving the vaccines for use, Dr June Raine who heads the MHRA? She says BREXIT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE UK'S EARLY APPROVAL OF VACCINES, but you say the opposite.  I rest my case.

There's also an interview with Kate Bingham on the other thread saying roughly the same. Why Swindo thinks lying will win any argument is anyone's guess. 

[Well b back 3,190]

26 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

how many lives would have gone if we did not have a vacation programme , only possible now we are out  

Are you accusing Kate Bingham of lying ?

She said ‘ nothing to do with Brexit ‘ and the ‘ MHRA were completely separate from the EU ‘.

 

[Bill 1,788]

31 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

how many lives would have gone if we did not have a vacation programme , only possible now we are out  

I wonder where that vacation might be

I'll have a jab in the dark and guess

The Needles, IOW

Cromer virus... perhap

or that caravan park at Frinton..... Sunny Uplands

close by to -

Harwich.......... for the continent

Sunny Uplands.......... for the incontinent (Brexiteers)

Edited February 8, 2021 by Bill

[SwindonCanary 455]

YOU CAN'T EVEN ADMIT TO THAT 🤣

[Well b back 3,190]

Clearly you did not see or read about Kate Binghams interview yesterday. 

[Bill 1,788]

1 minute ago, SwindonCanary said:

YOU CAN'T EVEN ADMIT TO THAT 🤣

how to spell vaccination ?

elsewhere

Gove claims snow is not due to winter

[horsefly 4,287]

1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

how about saving thousands of lives from the virus, because we are out  

You have now had several people point out to you that the head of the vaccine task force, Kate Bingham,  says brexit has nothing to do with the roll-out of vaccines in the UK. Also that the head of the MHRA, Dr Judith Raine, says brexit had nothing to do with the early approval of vaccines in the UK. So why don't you act like a grown up and just admit you're wrong about this. You might then at least earn some measure of respect for honesty, instead of the ridicule that persisting in this nonsense brings you.

Edited February 8, 2021 by horsefly

[Well b back 3,190]

Some more U.K. jobs ( lost unfortunately )

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55978194

[horsefly 4,287]

6 minutes ago, Bill said:

Gove claims snow is not due to winter

Gove thinks it's just his bag of coke has split. He's probably on his knees on his front lawn right now with a rolled up twenty pound note

Edited February 8, 2021 by horsefly

[Bill 1,788]

15 minutes ago, Well b back said:

Some more U.K. jobs ( lost unfortunately )

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55978194

"A Belfast deli owner also told The World This Weekend he is now getting more of his products from the Republic of Ireland.

Kieran Sloan, managing director of Sawers, said it was companies he had dealt with for over 30 years were no longer supplying Northern Ireland.

"We have found other channels. We are bringing a lot of our stuff in from the Republic of Ireland.

"We can place an order on Monday and it will be here on Tuesday morning.

"There's nothing to fill in - not a form, nothing at all.""

This is happening inside the EU as well, where UK businesses are losing trade to EU companies. Trade that I suspect will not return. Many if the jobs lost may well be EU migrant workers who will follow the jobs, but it means less income (tax) for the exchequer and a barrier to other entrepreneurs setting up in the UK

[Mr Apples 1,317]

23 minutes ago, Bill said:

Gove claims snow is not due to winter

It's proper good old-fashioned weather like what we had before we joined them Europeans and that glewbul warmun is a right load of old rubbish too because how can the planet be warming when it's so cold outside. 🤪🤣

Apples

[Bill 1,788]

3 minutes ago, Mr Apples said:

It's proper good old-fashioned weather like what we had before we joined them Europeans and that glewbul warmun is a right load of old rubbish too because how can the planet be warming when it's so cold outside. 🤪🤣

Apples

thas ah cos we hetter measire it in that there scentugrade. it wont be so cold if it were farrenheight 🥶

[Indy 3,283]

it’s so noticeable that Brexit has annoyed the hell out of the Brexiteers, this isn’t what we voted for they cry! There never was a set narrative you voted for it was a a bunch of opportunists who each sought to gain from your bigoted nationalism by making out that foreigners would be stopped, we would have an additional 350 million a week to spend, by not paying for the prevailing of an open market which we are reliant of for nearly 43% of our exports, not to mention the jobs we rely on through financial and industrial sectors from EU driven companies. 
 

The mess is that we now see is long term and our own industry’s are crying out for some form of compromise, it’s ok we have accepted Brexit but we want a country to grow not dissolve into a insignificant economy. The longer all the transition issues aren’t addressed the quicker we see small & larger businesses suffer and potentially not surviving through a tough period and additional of Covid.

So yes you got your Brexit and fair enough it was voted for, but not one of us had a scoobydoo what was to come, most of us could see the problems as we’re involved with working for EU companies, exporting goods and travelling to work over seas to sell products.

Last to use Covid vaccine roll out when it’s clearly not because of EU as every country had the opportunity to go their own way with vaccinations, the majority chose to use the EU mass purchase protocol which combined with their regulations process set them back a few weeks, but it’s nothing to gloat about, it’s great that our own process has been one of the few things we should be proud of, but certainly never to be gloated about, people are dying.

So in summary there’s very little at present to show Positive of Brexit, certainly not, but there are always opportunities to actually move forward for the best of our country and Brexit isn’t a fixed ideology, the EU are there, we have a government in place which in reality can always ask for further negotiations for potentially a better process down the line, though the deal has been signed and the processes in place, they’re always open to be addressed by all sides if it’s shown not to be working and causing problems for all parties. The problem lies with the politicians on all sides being pig headed dingbats who all have so much wealth they’re insulated from the real effects to us the working people!

[SwindonCanary 455]

1 hour ago, Well b back said:

Are you accusing Kate Bingham of lying ?

She said ‘ nothing to do with Brexit ‘ and the ‘ MHRA were completely separate from the EU ‘.

 

So one person gets it wrong, whilst the rest of the world look on with envy   🙂

Edited February 8, 2021 by SwindonCanary

[horsefly 4,287]

3 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

how about saving thousands of lives from the virus, because we are out  

 

1 hour ago, horsefly said:

You have now had several people point out to you that the head of the vaccine task force, Kate Bingham,  says brexit has nothing to do with the roll-out of vaccines in the UK. Also that the head of the MHRA, Dr Judith Raine, says brexit had nothing to do with the early approval of vaccines in the UK. So why don't you act like a grown up and just admit you're wrong about this. You might then at least earn some measure of respect for honesty, instead of the ridicule that persisting in this nonsense brings you.

Well you can't say I didn't try to be nice to you, but yet again the only response you can conjour up is a laughing emoji. All that does is confirm that you are an ignoramus incapable of providing any evidence for your embarrassingly stupid claims. Why bother to post if the best you can come up with is a bunch of retarded lies that can be dismissed in seconds. You clearly have no shame; I just pray for the sake of the world you have no offspring either.

[Yellow Fever 3,747]

30 minutes ago, Indy said:

it’s so noticeable that Brexit has annoyed the hell out of the Brexiteers, this isn’t what we voted for they cry! There never was a set narrative you voted for it was a a bunch of opportunists who each sought to gain from your bigoted nationalism by making out that foreigners would be stopped, we would have an additional 350 million a week to spend, by not paying for the prevailing of an open market which we are reliant of for nearly 43% of our exports, not to mention the jobs we rely on through financial and industrial sectors from EU driven companies. 
 

The mess is that we now see is long term and our own industry’s are crying out for some form of compromise, it’s ok we have accepted Brexit but we want a country to grow not dissolve into a insignificant economy. The longer all the transition issues aren’t addressed the quicker we see small & larger businesses suffer and potentially not surviving through a tough period and additional of Covid.

So yes you got your Brexit and fair enough it was voted for, but not one of us had a scoobydoo what was to come, most of us could see the problems as we’re involved with working for EU companies, exporting goods and travelling to work over seas to sell products.

Last to use Covid vaccine roll out when it’s clearly not because of EU as every country had the opportunity to go their own way with vaccinations, the majority chose to use the EU mass purchase protocol which combined with their regulations process set them back a few weeks, but it’s nothing to gloat about, it’s great that our own process has been one of the few things we should be proud of, but certainly never to be gloated about, people are dying.

So in summary there’s very little at present to show Positive of Brexit, certainly not, but there are always opportunities to actually move forward for the best of our country and Brexit isn’t a fixed ideology, the EU are there, we have a government in place which in reality can always ask for further negotiations for potentially a better process down the line, though the deal has been signed and the processes in place, they’re always open to be addressed by all sides if it’s shown not to be working and causing problems for all parties. The problem lies with the politicians on all sides being pig headed dingbats who all have so much wealth they’re insulated from the real effects to us the working people!

Agreed - 

I would maintain that most of the Brexit persuasion basically thought (or we were pedaled the lie) that we'd save £350M/week, fewer immigrants but otherwise nothing else changes. Apart from the £350M/week (it's actually not saving but costing us loads more) I guess it even now it seems true for the economically isolated pensioners.

As for nearly everybody ese - the catastrophe unfolds.

[Bill 1,788]

25 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

So one person gets it wrong, whilst the rest of the world look on with envy   🙂

at what

Tory incompetence that has led to one if the highest death rates in the world ?

 

ps have you had you 'vacation' yet, mouse brain ?

[Well b back 3,190]

18 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

So one person gets it wrong, whilst the rest of the world look on with envy   🙂

I am getting very confused, she said all the decisions that were taken had nothing to do with Brexit, and the MHRA were outside the EU ( wether part of the EU or not ).

You are saying it could have only happened because of Brexit, that is not true, it would have been no different even if we had never planned to leave the EU. You are rubbishing what she did as a bit of luck.

All strategies carried a substantial bit of luck, and had the South African variation taken hold here in September rather than the Kent variant at 22% effectiveness the Oxford vaccine may never have got before the regulators ( 50% required ), but who knows.

[Yellow Fever 3,747]

5 minutes ago, Well b back said:

I am getting very confused, she said all the decisions that were taken had nothing to do with Brexit, and the MHRA were outside the EU ( wether part of the EU or not ).

You are saying it could have only happened because of Brexit, that is not true, it would have been no different even if we had never planned to leave the EU. You are rubbishing what she did as a bit of luck.

All strategies carried a substantial bit of luck, and had the South African variation taken hold here in September rather than the Kent variant at 22% effectiveness the Oxford vaccine may never have got before the regulators ( 50% required ), but who knows.

Exactly - it's just the only thing even if their logic is flawed that the likes of SC cling too at present. 

[horsefly 4,287]

33 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

So one person gets it wrong, whilst the rest of the world look on with envy   🙂

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-51235105

Take a look at the following table you buffoon, and then tell me who in the hell would be envious of our appalling record on dealing with Covid-19.

 

 

Deaths per 100,000 people

Filter:                 The world                 Africa                 North America                 Latin America & Caribbean                 Asia                 Europe                 Middle East                 Oceania             

Country	Deaths	Death rate*	Total Cases	New Cases   0           10 100 1k 10k   **
US	453,855	138.8	26,574,495	25 JAN 04 FEB
Brazil	228,795	109.2	9,396,293
Mexico	162,922	129.1	1,899,820
India	154,823	11.4	10,802,591
UK	110,250	164.2	3,892,459
Italy	90,241	148.8	2,597,446
France	77,595	119.4	3,251,160
Russia	74,520	51.1	3,891,274
Spain	60,802	130.2	2,913,425
Germany	60,634	72.9	2,265,536
Iran	58,256	71.2	1,445,326
Colombia	55,131	111.0	2,135,412
Argentina	48,700	109.8	1,961,635
South Africa	45,605	78.9	1,466,767
Peru	41,538	129.8	1,158,337
Poland	38,344	101.1	1,533,511
Indonesia	31,001	11.6	1,123,105
Turkey	26,467	32.1	2,508,988
Ukraine	24,599	55.6	1,280,501
Belgium	21,260	185.2	718,847
Canada	20,486	55.3	798,394
Chile	18,731	100.0	740,237
Romania	18,675	95.7	738,152
Czech Republic	16,976	159.2	1,021,477
Ecuador	14,968	87.6	253,339
Netherlands	14,237	83.5	993,626
Portugal	13,482	131.5	748,858
Iraq	13,091	34.1	624,222
Hungary	12,930	133.2	373,564
Sweden	12,028	120.6	584,674
Pakistan	11,886	5.6	551,842
Philippines	10,997	10.3	531,699
Bolivia	10,633	93.7	224,234
Switzerland	9,556	112.1	530,289
Egypt	9,512	9.7	168,057
Bulgaria	9,272	131.5	222,149
Morocco	8,351	23.2	473,667
Bangladesh	8,175	5.1	537,030
Austria	7,936	89.3	419,801
Tunisia	7,048	60.9	213,949
Saudi Arabia	6,389	19.0	369,248
Japan	6,175	4.9	400,344
Greece	5,903	56.1	160,935
Guatemala	5,785	33.5	161,665
Panama	5,391	129.1	324,489
Croatia	5,106	122.8	234,153
Israel	5,019	59.9	679,149
Slovakia	4,976	91.3	256,903
China	4,822	0.3	100,268
Bosnia and Herzegovina	4,745	142.8	122,828
Jordan	4,354	43.7	331,768
Serbia	4,085	58.5	402,700
Honduras	3,669	38.3	152,225
Ireland	3,586	74.4	200,744
Slovenia	3,580	172.3	171,340
Moldova	3,497	86.3	162,624
Lebanon	3,397	49.5	312,269
Georgia	3,258	81.4	261,018
Myanmar	3,163	5.9	141,104
Azerbaijan	3,148	31.6	230,769
Kazakhstan	3,119	17.0	240,983
Armenia	3,109	105.3	167,726
Lithuania	2,908	103.8	185,601
Algeria	2,904	6.9	108,381
North Macedonia	2,900	139.2	93,882
Paraguay	2,779	40.0	136,023
Dominican Republic	2,747	25.8	218,948
Costa Rica	2,662	53.2	195,992
Afghanistan	2,407	6.5	55,231
Denmark	2,184	38.0	200,335
Ethiopia	2,126	1.9	140,157
Nepal	2,033	7.2	271,602
Libya	1,919	28.7	122,013
Palestinian Territories	1,865	38.4	161,087
Sudan	1,831	4.4	29,577
Kenya	1,773	3.4	101,339
Belarus	1,755	18.6	253,413
El Salvador	1,662	25.9	56,025
Nigeria	1,632	0.8	136,030
Oman	1,532	31.7	135,041
Kosovo	1,514	82.0	61,404
South Korea	1,459	2.9	80,131
Kyrgyzstan	1,420	22.5	84,920
Albania	1,418	49.2	81,993
Zimbabwe	1,288	8.9	34,171
Latvia	1,281	66.4	69,400
Venezuela	1,216	4.2	128,775
Kuwait	962	23.3	168,250
Syria	938	5.5	14,267
Australia	909	3.7	28,842
United Arab Emirates	888	9.2	316,875
Malaysia	826	2.6	231,483
Montenegro	826	131.6	63,633
Zambia	812	4.7	59,003
Malawi	779	4.3	25,884
Finland	688	12.5	46,493
DR Congo	678	0.8	23,222
Senegal	659	4.2	27,733
Uzbekistan	621	1.9	78,989
Yemen	615	2.2	2,122
Eswatini	591	52.0	16,045
Luxembourg	588	97.3	51,330
Norway	582	10.9	64,212
Uruguay	476	13.8	43,804
Cameroon	474	1.9	30,313
Angola	473	1.5	19,996
Estonia	443	33.5	46,334
Ghana	440	1.5	69,255
Mozambique	427	1.4	42,488
Mauritania	425	9.7	16,740
Bahrain	377	24.0	105,496
Namibia	364	14.9	34,519
Jamaica	355	12.1	16,250
Sri Lanka	339	1.6	67,115
Mali	333	1.7	8,130
Uganda	327	0.8	39,735
Belize	306	79.9	12,008
Madagascar	281	1.1	19,065
Malta	273	62.2	18,385
Qatar	249	9.0	152,898
Haiti	245	2.2	11,692
Cuba	225	2.0	30,345
Rwanda	210	1.7	15,988
Cyprus	208	17.5	31,379
Lesotho	178	8.4	8,969
Guyana	177	22.7	7,780
Bahamas	176	45.6	8,247
Nicaragua	170	2.6	6,299
Niger	164	0.7	4,575
Botswana	163	7.2	23,503
Ivory Coast	158	0.6	29,102
Guadeloupe	158	39.5	9,156
Suriname	158	27.4	8,595
Cape Verde	135	24.8	14,290
Trinidad and Tobago	135	9.7	7,607
French Polynesia	133	47.9	18,165
Burkina Faso	132	0.7	11,053
Somalia	132	0.9	4,814
Gambia	132	5.8	4,184
Congo	122	2.3	8,060
Chad	121	0.8	3,433
Comoros	105	12.6	2,975
Andorra	103	133.8	10,137
Tajikistan	90	1.0	13,308
Equatorial Guinea	86	6.6	5,534
Guinea	84	0.7	14,629
Liberia	84	1.7	1,945
Channel Islands	83	48.7	3,816
Thailand	79	0.1	22,644
Togo	79	1.0	5,290
Gibraltar	79	234.3	4,163
Sierra Leone	79	1.0	3,728
French Guiana	78	27.6	16,218
Gabon	70	3.3	11,129
San Marino	68	201.3	3,111
South Sudan	66	0.6	4,267
Djibouti	63	6.6	5,936
Central African Republic	63	1.4	4,989
Mayotte	62	23.9	9,292
Aruba	61	57.6	7,134
Maldives	54	10.5	16,410
Benin	54	0.5	4,119
Liechtenstein	52	137.1	2,513
Réunion	47	5.3	10,330
Guinea-Bissau	46	2.5	2,662
Martinique	45	12.0	6,442
Vietnam	35	0.0	1,957
Singapore	29	0.5	59,649
Iceland	29	8.6	6,016
Saint Martin	27	72.5	1,911
New Zealand	25	0.5	2,315
Isle of Man	25	29.7	434
Curaçao	21	12.9	4,597
Tanzania	21	0.0	509
Monaco	18	46.5	1,596
Saint Lucia	18	9.9	1,556
Sao Tome and Principe	17	8.1	1,298
Barbados	15	5.2	1,641
Diamond Princess cruise ship	13		712
Bermuda	12	19.1	692
Mauritius	10	0.8	584
Turks and Caicos Islands	9	23.9	1,553
Taiwan	9	0.0	919
Papua New Guinea	9	0.1	891
Eritrea	7	0.2	2,309
Antigua and Barbuda	7	7.3	268
Seychelles	5	5.1	1,289
St Vincent and the Grenadines	3	2.7	1,067
Brunei	3	0.7	180
Mongolia	2	0.1	1,928
Burundi	2	0.0	1,686
Cayman Islands	2	3.1	400
Fiji	2	0.2	56
MS Zaandam cruise ship	2		9
Bhutan	1	0.1	859
Faroe Islands	1	2.1	655
Saint Barthelemy	1	10.2	360
Grenada	1	0.9	148
British Virgin Islands	1	3.4	114
Montserrat	1	20.0	13
Cambodia	0	0.0	470
Dominica	0	0.0	121
Timor-Leste	0	0.0	80
New Caledonia	0	0.0	47
Laos	0	0.0	45
Falkland Islands	0	0.0	45
Saint Kitts and Nevis	0	0.0	39
Greenland	0	0.0	30
Vatican	0	0.0	27
Saint Pierre and Miquelon	0	0.0	24
Solomon Islands	0	0.0	17
Anguilla	0	0.0	17
Marshall Islands	0	0.0	4
Samoa	0	0.0	2
Vanuatu	0	0.0	1
Micronesia	0	0.0	1