The Positive Brexit Thread

[Surfer 1,547]

In the real world what Billy may or may not have said is irrelevant. But what is happening now is. 

And as it happens Billy said that if we left that it would.... what's your excuse? 

[Bill 1,788]

poor mouse brain is left repeating that lie- anyone with half a brain would be able to work out that 'never' means eternity

just like saying the world will never be hit by a meteorite

what I did say, and I stand by it, is that Brexit won't happen, and it hasn't - here are no sunny uplands, no new deals, no taking back our waters ................

just, as I stated, huge costs, delays and the beginning of a slow dis-investment from the UK.....though I accept I did not envisage the lunacy of EU companies having to register with HMRC for VAT to export small amounts of goods to the UK, nor

"The trader said only one document had to be filled in, in the past.  Every bag of mussels has to have its own documentation "A colleague sent a load out last week, and he had to send 41 bits of paper with his load"

The tragedy there and elsewhere is that this is not a one off, but what will be the 'norm' from now on. EU fishermen will not survive burdened with all that red tape, so how much longer before UK fishing boats sell up to EU companies ?

And as I pointed out in December (how the EU will soon be airlifting food supplies to the UK) the UK is now trying to get round the surrender the UK made in negotiations. By trying to get round it's own rules of taking back control with bypassing port controls

"Wouldn't the money spent on building lorry parks be better spent on the NHS ? "

or

"Wouldn't the money spent on hiring customs staff be better spent on hiring nurses ?"

"Wouldn't the time filling in 225 million forms be better spent on track and trace ?"

Although this might seem a huge fck up now, it is one where the EU has allowed a bit of bedding in space for the UK. That will all be gone in a few weeks and certainly all over in 6 months,

Then what ?

Edited January 14, 2021 by Bill

[Surfer 1,547]

This kind of fiasco would bring down any normal Government, but as we have pointed out with its media buddies still solidly behind it it may take a while for the utter incompetence to sink in. But sink in it will and gone they will be. 

 

[Herman 9,717]

9 hours ago, Surfer said:

And this is where the daily gaslighting (i.e. willful lying) at every level of the national "government" leads us..... in America to an insurrection, in Britain to doffing our caps to "our betters" ?

The FT front page was what it was all about. Working rights to be destroyed and over a million people have left Britain. Well done.

[Bill 1,788]

waiting four hours outside  in a queue

still, it is not all bad

"Separately, there has been a sharp fall in orders for British products and produce, such as shellfish, fish and pork. The Road Haulage Association (RHA) estimates that truck levels are down by 40 per cent."

The UK's ever shrinking economy may at least reduce some of the hold-ups. The 60 million plus unicorns will no longer be (needed or) transported to the UK.

And the UK's much maligned 'eat out to get fit' campaign of the summer, which was targetted to use up a backlog of stored food, may have to be rolled out again as UK food producers see their orders to the EU continue to fall

[SwindonCanary 455]

10 hours ago, Bill said:

poor mouse brain(SwindonCanary) is left repeating that lie- anyone with half a brain would be able to work out that 'never' means eternity

So are denying you ever said it ? Billy liar 

[Yellow Fever 3,749]

9 hours ago, Surfer said:

This kind of fiasco would bring down any normal Government, but as we have pointed out with its media buddies still solidly behind it it may take a while for the utter incompetence to sink in. But sink in it will and gone they will be. 

 

 

Somebody should be fired for this - yes you Johnson.

 

[Haus 259]

13 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

in the real world,  Billy liar was for years predicting that we would never leave the EU ! 

I mean, to leave is absolute madness so I can see why he thought we wouldnt leave. 

People being poorer, having less rights to travel and work across the continent, having less job opportunities, less workers rights.

[Yellow Fever 3,749]

27 minutes ago, Haus said:

I mean, to leave is absolute madness so I can see why he thought we wouldnt leave. 

People being poorer, having less rights to travel and work across the continent, having less job opportunities, less workers rights.

That why it was driven in large part by nostalgic pensioners. None of the above generally applies to them.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

Schapps and Swindon pretending there is no problems on the M20.

No there isn't because the trucks are all laid up in lorry parks while their paperwork is sorted. Some trucks are laid up for two days with little or no facilities. Hauliers are saying its the worst they have ever experienced.

[Bill 1,788]

2 hours ago, Haus said:

I mean, to leave is absolute madness so I can see why he thought we wouldnt leave. 

People being poorer, having less rights to travel and work across the continent, having less job opportunities, less workers rights.

No matter how often mouse brain repeats the lie - it does not stop it being a Lie

I said brexit would not happen - quite a different thing, as what we were told would happen has not

Only a simpleton lying mouse brain would imagine someone would state 'never' - much as I might state that I cannot see City winning the Champions League in my time, rather than they will never win it.  One has a fixed parameter, the other doesn't

But then this is the poster who denies what he has posted is racist. claimed to earn a few thousand in one day trading on the stock market and put up a picture of a girl of Instagram claiming that it was a former girlfriend

Not long before he starts to claim that he is Napoleon 🤪

 

Edited January 15, 2021 by Bill

[dj11 377]

My wife is waiting for a signed contract from Poland for a five figure payment, and no companies are delivering to the U.K. and have not for the last week. There are obviously ways around it, but at some stage she needs the signed hard copy. We are becoming a Banana Republic, and the blame fairy and squarely, rests with those who voted Brexit and the charlatans who promised the unachievable. Rees Mogg stating in Parliament that ‘the fish are happy’ is f...ing insulting. How a right minded person can vote for that moron, I have no idea. He doesn’t give a flying about anyone bar himself and his chums. I have blocked most of the apologists on here, but the snippets that get through, are full of bluster or outright lies. 

I would like to say I feel better after that rant, but unfortunately I do not. 

[Herman 9,717]

Vindication is not as much fun as I thought it may have been (Trump, brexit and Johnson). And I can't happily indulge in schadenfreude because I know it's people like your wife and many millions of others that are getting punished not just the brexiters. Holding the feckers like Redwood and Rees-Mong to account should be the country's main mission from now on.

[Bill 1,788]

It is these 'minor niggles' which are a major irritant and hassle for those concerned.  Stuff that as said above was once routine, and now instead have become a source if unnecessary cost and delay.

It means performers who graced our festivals will now be subject to all many of bureaucratic rigmarole - with it working both way,

No more the days if getting a phone call and asking if I fancy working a festival in Tournai Belgium at the w/e because someone else has pulled out. With those restrictions working both ways the UK will become some isolated backwater where non UK performers don't want to come to, and UK aren't invited to the EU. This cretinous nonsense will now impact on football players, with a club like City being hit hard.

COVID may have masked (no pun) much of this as EU travel is virtually non existent at the moment, but what it has done is given some kind of indication of the UK in the future.

The UK has put itself outside the EU as a 3rd country with now probably far fewer advantages many a third world country.

At least the French had the right idea of how to deal with traitorous scum

And Rees-Mogg's comments on fishing show the contempt him and his fellow brexit millionaires have for the thick brexiteers

 

[Herman 9,717]

This is a small, specialist online store that I use on occasion, one of many that are getting hit by this self made mess.

First it was the 9th, then the 18th and now until further notice.

"With the UK now having left the EU after Brexit on 31st December 2020 We are working with Carriers to get updated prices and information before we can ship to the EU. As a result we have taken the decision to halt all EU orders until further notice. We hope our EU customers will understand this decision has not been taken lightly and will bear with us until we can implement new systems required."

Here's another.

"WE REGRET THAT WE ARE STILL UNABLE TO SAY WHEN WE CAN RE-OPEN THE WEBSITE TO ORDERS FROM EU COUNTRIES. WE ONLY HAVE CONTRACTS WITH DPD AND PARCELFORCE/ROYAL MAIL AND NEITHER FIRM CAN GET THE UPDATES THAT THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR MORE THAN A YEAR TO WORK."

[Well b back 3,190]

Trouble at Mill. Just reported on the news as well. Buyers begin to turn to Spain and Ireland in preference to the U.K. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55680315

[Bill 1,788]

""No matter how much better we get at filling in the forms, it's really not fit for purpose. This is going back to the dark ages in terms of a process really, in this digital age.""

Now where have I read someone talking about how this nonsense would be a huge step backwards ?

And as Herman points out, it is now the smaller trader, the 50,000 UK businesses that sell solely to the EU that are already being hit,

And it will be the smaller, personal  delays and extra costs that will slowly seep into the economy and affect peoples day to day lives that will eventually cause te most anger. The realisation that brexit was a con right from the beginning. Not because it was propagated by the very wealthy, but because there never was this 'part pregnant' model that was peddled and swallowed by the thick.

As the UK is either in the EU and enjoying the benefits, or it is outside with it’s nose pressed up against the window,

And the latter place where the UK has put itself is cold, and missing out. And still no word from the thickos of what benefits there are to the UK being an isolated backwater.

[Well b back 3,190]

Let’s hope he doesn’t back track on this promise

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/business/government-considers-changing-working-week-after-brexit-6907898

[Well b back 3,190]

You couldn’t make it up, Scottish Fisherman who campaigned for Brexit now not only fear for their jobs, but go to Denmark to unload their catches.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55669168

 

 

[Well b back 3,190]

And Galileo goes as well

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-55665537

[Herman 9,717]

17 minutes ago, Well b back said:

Let’s hope he doesn’t back track on this promise

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/business/government-considers-changing-working-week-after-brexit-6907898

Len McCluskey has a brass neck. He did as little as possible to help stop brexit.

Kwasi Kwarteng was another of the authors of Brittania Unchained. Of course he will happily cut workers rights. It's what he is about.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

So cut workers rights, make them work longer hours, cut the minimum wage and when things still don't go right, who is left to blame?

Of course, the last Labour Government.

There has never been a bad employer or shareholder who are only in business to give people employment.

[Yellow Fever 3,749]

49 minutes ago, Well b back said:

You couldn’t make it up, Scottish Fisherman who campaigned for Brexit now not only fear for their jobs, but go to Denmark to unload their catches.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55669168

 

 

Sounds like they are now voting with their boats to stay in the EU.

That didn't take long !

 

[SwindonCanary 455]

Oh dear !

[Surfer 1,547]

Aye, right p!ssed off they are ... it seems to be the lying that they are most upset about, apart from going bankrupt of course. 

 

 

Edited January 15, 2021 by Surfer

[Herman 9,717]

2 weeks and they've started to wash their hands of it. 🤨

 

[Bill 1,788]

So it is not the fault if those who told us to believe in the unattainable, but that of the irritating realities that have now appeared.

The UK chose to become a third country as far as the EU went. And chose knowing full well the implications, which are now all too sadly coming to pass.

Yes, admit the Brexiteers. We did tell you to jump off the cliff, but we didn't say anything about hitting the ground afterwards.

It is not our fault if you let that happen

[Well b back 3,190]

The latest group thinking they may have done the wrong thing and been ‘ screwed over ‘

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55666666

[BigFish 1,986]

4 hours ago, Herman said:

2 weeks and they've started to wash their hands of it. 🤨

 

So Brexit is a little bit ****, but it is not the fault of Brexiteers like the Torygraph?

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

Boris will be spinning he was a Remainer soon.

And Francois can start sihtting his Union Jack pants.

Rees Mogg is bothered either way as he voted against Mays deal because there were some grammatical errors in it so he prefers Ireland now.

And Farage can have a few free beers, as long as they aren't too long out of date, with his mate Mr Wetherspoon.