The Positive Brexit Thread

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

8 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Since the New Year, I've read articles about unhappy English fishermen, unhappy Scottish fishermen, unhappy Frog fishermen, unhappy Dutch fishermen, unhappy Norwegian fishermen and unhappy Irish fishermen. I suppose that means the Spanish fishermen are still on holiday.

Denial again. Ours were supposed to be better off at their expense.

[Rock The Boat 1,324]

4 hours ago, BigFish said:

It has fallen in each consecutive year since the referendum and opinion is it fell last year (figures not yet released) and will fall next year. International business is clearly of an opinion that the UK is currently a less attractice place to do business in than it was when it was a member of the EU.

We will have to wait and see how the numbers turn out but so far things are extremely favourable for the UK. We'll be the first country to vaccinate it's citizens while huge parts of Europe will still be waiting for doses to arrive.. They will still be in lockdown (an unfortunate side-effect of freedom of movement) while we will be back to work and supplying the world economy with goods. No wonder so much FDI has been incoming.

[Well b back 3,186]

22 minutes ago, paul moy said:

How long depends on how we react and the effect on the EU.    Notice how they told France to tone it down when they closed down the haulage at Dover and demanded all drivers take a covid test.  All their intransigence causes is more hurt to themselves as we turn against buying their goods.

The more they try to hurt us the more they shoot themselves in the foot. How long they continue to be bitter is in their own hands but we really should return like for like just to let them know that we are not pushovers. Boris did it by threatening No Deal and he now needs to continue 'threats' to the EU in other ways. A good start would be to ban the massive trawlers from our waters or at least inspect them every time that they enter our waters and fine them heavily for any breaches of our laws.

We are now in control and need to show it. 

 

 

 

People are interested in how this will or will not benefit the U.K. not how much racists like you and Farage for some reason hate Europeans and the French in particular.

What is your problem, did you catch a French man shag**** your wife or something. 

[Rock The Boat 1,324]

3 hours ago, keelansgrandad said:

Yes, I'm fine with anyone who listens to the parties and their manifesto and chooses. I sometimes berate myself for being so dyed in the wool about how I believe society should behave which includes who it chooses to govern itself.

I wasn't anti Corbyn, I was anti Momentum. I cannot abide the deliberate attempt to alienate and cause trouble. I admired Michael Foot and I admire Diane Abbott. But Lansman had a hidden agenda, just like Derek Hatton.

You are old school Labour, and even though I doubt you will believe me I actually respect you for being so. You are how Labour used to before it got hijacked by the wokeists and the identity politicians. You need to get them out of your party to stand any chance of success but I think it's too far gone to be saved.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

Just now, Rock The Boat said:

You are old school Labour, and even though I doubt you will believe me I actually respect you for being so. You are how Labour used to before it got hijacked by the wokeists and the identity politicians. You need to get them out of your party to stand any chance of success but I think it's too far gone to be saved.

Yes, I am old school. My house was divided. Mum and older brother were Tory. Dad was a Communist. I wasn't committed to anything until I became active in the Trade Union movement. Which is what the Party grew out of.

Because of my Dads Communist links, and subsequent black balling, I could tell you of real hardship in the years from leaving junior school and early years at CNS.

And I realised I wasn't the only one suffering so became determined for a number of years to promote the Labour Party. Not the Parliamentary one but the grass roots.

And as you say the Party has been hijacked. Just as the Tories have been. Life under MacMillan was good and progressive. But the market force believers took over. 

Hence the SDP, UKIP etc. The values had been overtaken by the consequences rather than the effect.

[Van wink 2,994]

44 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

I think Starmer who wants to win the next election has done everything correct so far. Gentle centre left.

Simply no hostages to fortune,  appear competent and be a trusted government in waiting.

It’s the only way, this country will never elect an explicitly radical left party, amazing to me that so many thought it would leading up to the last election.

[Well b back 3,186]

We'll be thefirst country to vaccinate it's citizens while huge parts of Europe will still be waiting for doses to arrive.

Happy to have a little wager with you that that will not be the case. There’s a reason why already Johnson has stopped saying we have vaccinated more than the rest of Europe put together. Remember as well that Sweden aside they are saving a dose so their citizens are given the second dose 21 - 28 days after the first. From next week 2 European countries in particular will have huge deliveries of Moderna. Another reason not to compare is lots of Countries have used more data when approving and gone an approval level up from the U.K. 

Pfizer have done a deal with Israel that they get their next big delivery this week instead of the end of the month, in exchange for details of how their operation operates, so that can be passed to other countries. The Serum Institute of India will be providing 1.5 million doses per day to inoculate 1.5 million on average getting to 300 million by July. In addition to this they will be manufacturing 1.7 billion doses for Covax commencing in 6 weeks time and by July.

We are doing a fantastic job, like other countries let’s all work together to get the job done. WHO have already estimated if 60 - 70 % of the world population are not vaccinated then we are wasting our time anyway. Let’s just see where we are at the end game, and as soon as any country finishes, get on to help the next one, until the whole world  is sorted. 

[Rock The Boat 1,324]

7 minutes ago, Well b back said:

We'll be thefirst country to vaccinate it's citizens while huge parts of Europe will still be waiting for doses to arrive.

Happy to have a little wager with you that that will not be the case. There’s a reason why already Johnson has stopped saying we have vaccinated more than the rest of Europe put together. Remember as well that Sweden aside they are saving a dose so their citizens are given the second dose 21 - 28 days after the first. From next week 2 European countries in particular will have huge deliveries of Moderna. Another reason not to compare is lots of Countries have used more data when approving and gone an approval level up from the U.K. 

Pfizer have done a deal with Israel that they get their next big delivery this week instead of the end of the month, in exchange for details of how their operation operates, so that can be passed to other countries. The Serum Institute of India will be providing 1.5 million doses per day to inoculate 1.5 million on average getting to 300 million by July. In addition to this they will be manufacturing 1.7 billion doses for Covax commencing in 6 weeks time and by July.

We are doing a fantastic job, like other countries let’s all work together to get the job done. WHO have already estimated if 60 - 70 % of the world population are not vaccinated then we are wasting our time anyway. Let’s just see where we are at the end game, and as soon as any country finishes, get on to help the next one, until the whole world  is sorted. 

Statistically speaking the EU should overtake us both in absolute and proportional terms. They've got 440 million or so to vaccinate which should happen in parallel in 27 countries so the totals should rise quickly. And having many smaller countries they should sooner reach 100% vaccinated in those smaller countries when compared with a larger country. It would be surprising if they did lag behind us for much longer, and if they did it would be because they are waiting for doses to be manufactured. And that seems unlikely as more vaccines come on stream.

[horsefly 4,275]

https://dailybusinessgroup.co.uk/2021/01/brexit-chaos-likely-to-get-worse-say-industry-chiefs/

Seems industry chiefs don't entertain the same wild optimism that some of the uninformed brexiteers indulge in.

[paul moy 235]

10 hours ago, keelansgrandad said:

Yes, I am old school. My house was divided. Mum and older brother were Tory. Dad was a Communist. I wasn't committed to anything until I became active in the Trade Union movement. Which is what the Party grew out of.

Because of my Dads Communist links, and subsequent black balling, I could tell you of real hardship in the years from leaving junior school and early years at CNS.

And I realised I wasn't the only one suffering so became determined for a number of years to promote the Labour Party. Not the Parliamentary one but the grass roots.

And as you say the Party has been hijacked. Just as the Tories have been. Life under MacMillan was good and progressive. But the market force believers took over. 

Hence the SDP, UKIP etc. The values had been overtaken by the consequences rather than the effect.

Another union dinosaur...... enough said

[paul moy 235]

8 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

Statistically speaking the EU should overtake us both in absolute and proportional terms. They've got 440 million or so to vaccinate which should happen in parallel in 27 countries so the totals should rise quickly. And having many smaller countries they should sooner reach 100% vaccinated in those smaller countries when compared with a larger country. It would be surprising if they did lag behind us for much longer, and if they did it would be because they are waiting for doses to be manufactured. And that seems unlikely as more vaccines come on stream.

The EU are in trouble as they will not get much supply until August according to reports, as they under-ordered .  We will hopefully be completely vaccinated by then,  have herd immunity, and will be in a great position to grow our GDP while the EU will still be in recession and suffering high covid death rates.  

[Herman 9,710]

You're actually hoping that people in the EU will still be dying? You are scum.

[paul moy 235]

36 minutes ago, Herman said:

You're actually hoping that people in the EU will still be dying? You are scum.

 

It is the reality of a centralised socialist dictatorship.  Inefficiency and bureaucracy are endemic and willl cause many extra deaths, while we developed our own vaccine and will have herd immunity many months before them.  I have friends in France and Germany in particular and have no wish for them or anybody else to suffer and pray that they do not,  but this is the predictable reality.of the sclerotic EUSSR. 

[horsefly 4,275]

34 minutes ago, paul moy said:

 

It is the reality of a centralised socialist dictatorship.  Inefficiency and bureaucracy are endemic and willl cause many extra deaths, while we developed our own vaccine and will have herd immunity many months before them.  I have friends in France and Germany in particular and have no wish for them or anybody else to suffer and pray that they do not,  but this is the predictable reality.of the sclerotic EUSSR. 

Morally repugnant and utterly ignorant. You clearly haven't understood any of the facts relating to numbers of Covid deaths and rates of infection if you are genuinely trying to claim that the UK has performed better than other european countries during the pandemic. I suggest you take a look at any of the Covid tables freely available, they really aren't that difficult to interpret. 

And since you are so wantonly ignorant it shocks me that I have to point out that each EU country determines its own Covid strategy; there is NO central EU covid strategy that applies to all. So I can only assume that your false and facetious comments about a "centralised socialist dictatorship" and "EUSSR" are nothing more than a demonstration of your sad and egregious deep-seated xenophobia and racism. You really do plumb the depths of the very worst in disingenuous twisting of facts to suit an agenda of hatred.

[horsefly 4,275]

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/north-east/2801383/its-like-a-motorway-crash-urgent-meeting-sought-to-resolve-brexit-mess-which-has-left-fishing-industry-suffering-huge-losses/

‘It’s like a motorway crash’: Urgent meeting sought to resolve Brexit mess which has left fishing industry suffering huge losses

[paul moy 235]

17 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Morally repugnant and utterly ignorant. You clearly haven't understood any of the facts relating to numbers of Covid deaths and rates of infection if you are genuinely trying to claim that the UK has performed better than other european countries during the pandemic. I suggest you take a look at any of the Covid tables freely available, they really aren't that difficult to interpret. 

And since you are so wantonly ignorant it shocks me that I have to point out that each EU country determines its own Covid strategy; there is NO central EU covid strategy that applies to all. So I can only assume that your false and facetious comments about a "centralised socialist dictatorship" and "EUSSR" are nothing more than a demonstration of your sad and egregious deep-seated xenophobia and racism. You really do plumb the depths of the very worst in disingenuous twisting of facts to suit an agenda of hatred.

Obviously to most of us, but probably not you or your rude and 'blind' ilk, nobody will know who performed best until this is over.  At this moment we are ninth in the world in deaths per million, below EU countries Belgium and Italy.  As we gain herd immunity, which ironically we may be closer to due to many silly and selfish people ignoring rules, then we will thankfully fall down the table.    

 

[horsefly 4,275]

20 minutes ago, paul moy said:

Obviously to most of us, but probably not you or your rude and 'blind' ilk, nobody will know who performed best until this is over.  At this moment we are ninth in the world in deaths per million, below EU countries Belgium and Italy.  As we gain herd immunity, which ironically we may be closer to due to many silly and selfish people ignoring rules, then we will thankfully fall down the table.    

 

So you don't want to reaffirm your lies about an EU "central soviet dictatorship" then? And now you can only find 2 countires in the EU with a worse rate of deaths per million. And when you claimed categorically that, "Inefficiency and bureaucracy are endemic and willl [sic] cause many extra deaths, while we developed our own vaccine and will have herd immunity many months before them", you now want to claim conditionally, "nobody will know who performed best until this is over"

You really are an utter joke.

And BTW it certainly is not rude to describe your xenophobic and racist lies as morally repugnant and utterly ignorant.  That's exactly what they are.

Edited January 11, 2021 by horsefly

[BigFish 1,986]

18 minutes ago, paul moy said:

Obviously to most of us, but probably not you or your rude and 'blind' ilk, nobody will know who performed best until this is over.  At this moment we are ninth in the world in deaths per million, below EU countries Belgium and Italy.  As we gain herd immunity, which ironically we may be closer to due to many silly and selfish people ignoring rules, then we will thankfully fall down the table. 

Ninth? Or putting it another way the UK is doing worse than 24 of the 27 EU nations. The overlap between Brexiteers and Lockdown deniers is incredible, as is you desparate and failing attempts to make political points of this sort.

[paul moy 235]

17 minutes ago, BigFish said:

Ninth? Or putting it another way the UK is doing worse than 24 of the 27 EU nations. The overlap between Brexiteers and Lockdown deniers is incredible, as is you desparate and failing attempts to make political points of this sort.

Yeah, but you are being stupid as usual, and not applying commonsense logic or balance.  As I have already said, it is not where we are now in the table, but where we are at the end of the pandemic, and it is pretty clear that we will have herd immunity while others are still suffering devastating numbers of deaths for months longer than us. We are almost at the top for vaccinations whereas the EU are close to the bottom.  Try a balanced opinion for once although I know it is difficult for a renowned remoaner.   😎

[horsefly 4,275]

You couldn't make up the stupidity of Moy; forget the blatant lies for a moment and just compare these two contradictory statements made in a matter of minutes:

"nobody will know who performed best until this is over"

"it is pretty clear that we will have herd immunity while others are still suffering devastating numbers of deaths for months longer than us"

And the buffoon has the laughable audacity to say to BF,  "you are being stupid as usual, and not applying commonsense logic or balance"

For your information Moy, one of the laws of logic is the law of non-contradiction, a law you breach with alarming frequency. So I suggest you don't cite logic in a criticism of others when you offend its fundamental principles so flagrantly. And as for "commonsense" and "balance", I'm assuming you do at least have a hightened sense of irony.

 

[SwindonCanary 455]

Brexit has happened and has happened long ago great for us leavers; perhaps, now, remouners could write about that, instead of the virus on the Positive Brexit thread 

[nevermind, neoliberalism has had it 159]

14 hours ago, Yellow Fever said:

I think Starmer who wants to win the next election has done everything correct so far. Gentle centre left.

Simply no hostages to fortune,  appear competent and be a trusted government in waiting.

Lastly, as per Napoleon, never interfere with an enemy who's in the process of destroying themselves.

The Brexit fallout now just starting plus Covid incompetence that Gove is already trying to deflect will do all and more of the heavy electoral lifting.

Starmer will not be able to go against the jingoism and flagwaving at the next election, he will try not to upset the Tories who by then will have enough of him/lost family members to covid/ suffering from a s..t deal taken at the last moment/Tory electors first vaccination program. Starmer is a Trilateral puppet who will want to carry on licking the backside of US hegemonic aspirations. 

I have no trust in him, I think he's even more to the right than Johnson.

[nevermind, neoliberalism has had it 159]

37 minutes ago, paul moy said:

Yeah, but you are being stupid as usual, and not applying commonsense logic or balance.  As I have already said, it is not where we are now in the table, but where we are at the end of the pandemic, and it is pretty clear that we will have herd immunity while others are still suffering devastating numbers of deaths for months longer than us. We are almost at the top for vaccinations whereas the EU are close to the bottom.  Try a balanced opinion for once although I know it is difficult for a renowned remoaner.   😎

Hurray its all over, Paul Moy can see an end to the pandemic. My god how naively uneducated some are. This virus is morphing into a completely different trajectory, unrelated to the first batch of this corona virus, and Chris whitty still pounds the tory election vaccination list, i.e. first come the elderly.

He obviously has not taken any heed of the fact that schoolchildren and playschool are now as much affected , that all age groups are getting it. Equal batches of all age groups should now be vaccinated. The Tories are responsible for causing chaos, they don't know the word precaution, self serving, bad PPE deals that favour Tory donors and the death of nurses teachers, elderly covid patients who were moved into care homes, and a crap deal that leaves every fisherman and EU exporting business unhappy to the point of bankruptcy. 

 

[nevermind, neoliberalism has had it 159]

Compare little New Zealand's well prepared responses by PM Mrs. Arden to this pandemic with the fumbling bumbling conservatives.

 

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[A Load of Squit 5,116]

32 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

Brexit has happened and has happened long ago great for us leavers; perhaps, now, remouners could write about that, instead of the virus on the Positive Brexit thread 

It's no surprise that you liked Paul's racist post about vaccination rates.

 

[Yellow Fever 3,736]

Can somebody explain what on earth the Covid vaccine roll out has to do with the EU ?

We, as with all our european neighbours, rolled out / authorized Pfizer and indeed Oxford under EU rules - some choose 'emergency'  and others waited for 'general market' authorization (a heavier burden of data) - pros and cons to both. That's just a fact. We all had options and choices on how/what to buy.

Each country has chosen its own path for it own populations and needs. Individual governments will have to answer for their decisions to their respective electorates.  No EU diktat and yes the UK has at least done well so far in rolling out the vaccine - it needed and continues to need too given its appalling handling of the virus itself.

It's only the true plonkers on here who can't seem to grasp this as they are so blinkered being anti-EU they've lost all sense of reality. Reminds me of Trump diehards.

Edited January 11, 2021 by Yellow Fever

[Herman 9,710]

I'm getting the feeling that Parler was a big net to catch all the nazis and gather all their information. Clever if true. 

[Icecream Snow 761]

4 hours ago, Herman said:

You're actually hoping that people in the EU will still be dying? You are scum.

I genuinely can't work out if some of the posters on here (eg Moy) are skilled trolls who will say anything to get a reaction, or have serious mental health issues.

[kirku 1,332]

8 minutes ago, Icecream Snow said:

I genuinely can't work out if some of the posters on here (eg Moy) are skilled trolls who will say anything to get a reaction, or have serious mental health issues.

They aren't mutually exclusive 

[SwindonCanary 455]

4 hours ago, paul moy said:

I have friends in France and Germany in particular and have no wish for them or anybody else to suffer and pray that they do not,  but this is the predictable reality.of the sclerotic EUSSR. 

 

1 hour ago, A Load of Squit said:

It's no surprise that you liked Paul's racist post about vaccination rates.

 

where's the racist bit there ? You tend to spot it when there's none